Butter envy

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One thing about snowboarders that always makes me jealous is their ability to dick around the mountain with butters and other little shit like that when the snow or park is shitty. So two questions:
1. What ski is the flexiest and enables one to butter easiest and with tips/tails highest in the air?

2. Out of curiosity, what types of flatland type tricks do you skiers out there do when you're dicking around the mtn.

2 1/2. The thing Gagnier does in WHiteshine where he kinda spins on the noses of his skis, how the hell would one go about attempting that?

Jan 11 2006 6:20PM

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Shadows

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yea, the thing gangnier does is crazy. invaders are the softest i think, and i dont know, i dont do stupid shit around the mtn, i am incapable of butters.

Jan 11 2006 6:22PM

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eheath

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all skis will butter the same, except like invadors or thalls which special flex and shit, its more about skill than the ski.

Jan 11 2006 6:23PM

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*emma*

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the line invaders are really good for flex adn my scratches flex pretty well too. For butters, you just have to start trying it adn throw your weight around. To have your tips up lean real far back, adn for tails up lean way over the tips of your skis. And for spins, just lean towards your tips really far adn throw your tails around, it just takes practice

Jan 11 2006 6:26PM

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Fujatives

Jan 11 2006 6:27PM

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attitashfreestyle29

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butters are fun as hell like switch butter 5s on little whales like u go switch then spin around but keep the manual going then pop a 3 out of that

Jan 11 2006 6:29PM

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SHastatahoe

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I like buttering into my dspin 12s to rails

Jan 11 2006 6:31PM

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mattyb.

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the t halls are so sick, i love em

Jan 11 2006 6:32PM

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jonkreation

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how would the softness of the t-halls and the fujatives compare in anybody's opinion who has ridden both? i guess what i'm lookin for is the absolute butteriest ski that is still more functional than riding wet spaghetti

Jan 11 2006 6:36PM

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jonkreation

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exactly attitashfree...to me thats some of the most fun shit on the mountain.

I've also been trying to copy jp auclair in the team pizza video he made where he spins on top of a little hump of snow, but my edges always get caught.

Jan 11 2006 6:39PM

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poncho

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i would also like to know some other fun junk some skiers do on the mountain when just dicking around...i have fun pretending i cant skiand making people that are learning to snowbaord really nervous

Jan 11 2006 6:51PM

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holyDINOSAURS

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you have to learn to put your weight on your tails and nose. not just your heels and toes. then you'll flex hard. learn nollies and ollies too

Jan 11 2006 6:54PM

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jonkreation

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spike 540...explain

Jan 11 2006 6:57PM

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user098123

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I would also recommend the dynastar troublemakers, mine are super flexible, I love them, a lot of fun to just fuck around the mountain with, kick ass in the park and are good on groomers and on the crap if you aren't too heavy.

Jan 11 2006 7:06PM

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roussillon

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hey i have P-Es and can do butter 3s and switch butter 3s or 5s. it won't be easier on another ski. i know a guy who has invaders and can't attempt butters. you only will be able to flex it a lot more.

like charles gagnier has 1080 foils that are soft all-mountain skis. i'd like to see him on ultra stiff skis. and damn he flexes them! sooo nice

Jan 11 2006 7:31PM

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ski8990

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I used to be able to get super high up on nosebutters and now I cant do them hardly at all. Its weird

Jan 11 2006 8:04PM

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eLevate

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i could get vertical(horizontal) on the tips of my chronics and take like two steps on the tips forward before i bailed. i loved those skis.

Jan 11 2006 8:06PM

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jonkreation

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i hear what you're saying rousillon, but a butter looks way sicker if the opposite side is 6inches off the snow rather than a half inch.

i wish somebody would explain the difference between putting weight on the tips or tails and not just heels or toes. i guess i get it, but i'm wondering if theres a specific technique.

Jan 11 2006 8:21PM

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theORANGEshovel

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i learned that butters are easy when u pole plant...like i was bored at my house and rails were broken so i put my skis on and practiced for a hour in my yard i can do a 360 butter and get high on my tips wit my pe's and i learned that up to a box i can do a 270 butter on my tips like i do on flat ground and then 1080 the box cause of the butter but i still need to get a vid of it but that will be cooming soon

Jan 11 2006 8:25PM

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HombreDeHuevos

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suprisingly this years arVs are insanely flexy...more so than the invaders....my bro has botha nd says arvs are way more bendable...u can get up on ur tips just by leaning a little

Jan 11 2006 8:41PM

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R.Fahey

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you can do all that stuff on really soft skis. i can do that thing gagnier does... and with a roller i can do a 540 type one. you just gotta play around and learn the flex of your skis.

Jan 11 2006 8:56PM

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jonkreation

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i'm not gonna let this die to the obscurity of the 2nd page, cuz i was at mtn creek and the park was closed and snowboarders were butterin and shiftyin over rollers and doin whatever fancy shit they were doin and i know theres shit that skiers can do like that, but i'm not seein it in jersey or PA.....share the ideas homies

Jan 11 2006 9:39PM

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Alkyy

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you dont really need a flexable ski to do it that much on ar5's you can get it up just as high if you just really throw your weight around and then you can really snap out of it instead of just gliding out

Jan 11 2006 9:48PM

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Alkyy

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oh and going from nose butter to tail butter in a line like go regular nosebutter to switch then pop to your tails and spin around and do a butter with what ever spin is really fun...sry about doubble post

Jan 11 2006 9:49PM

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BCKicker540

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arvs are soooo soft, fujatives are a good dick around ski, elan mo2's are pretty fun also.

Jan 11 2006 9:51PM

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stylishskier

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just make sure you've got your bindings locked down. I tried to really snap off the tips/really nose butter hard ont he PEs and I did a misty as I kicked out, funny as hell, ppl on the chairlift got a good laugh

Jan 11 2006 9:51PM

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ski-or-die

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butters are way harder on stiff skis i have the old mad-trix and basicly cant do them but i demo-ed some B-4's and was buttering and doing the press and spin thing all over the place.

now that thats cleared up... my friend found this old "freestyle fundamentals" with whole section on flat land/ski ballet some of it is increadibly stupid (like laying down on your skis and rolling around) but alot of it is sooo crazy to try ... there is this one where you cross one foot over the other (lets say right over left) screamin seamen style then take the back foot (left foot) off the ground and uncross it by bringing it back over to the left side .... while moving

Jan 11 2006 9:58PM

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turtleman321

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stylish thats kind what happened to me. i was nosebuttering and i flew out of my bindings and did like a front flip lol.

its also better to have a center mounted ski for butters. on my chronics which are at recommended its really hard to butter cuz their kind of stiff to me

Jan 11 2006 9:59PM

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wdbo.

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i kinda just try to touch my nose to the ground and rotate my hips in a simple explaination
or for tails i just try to pretend im sitting down on a really small chair

Jan 11 2006 10:15PM

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Schoening

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fujatvies are soooooooooo soft

Jan 11 2006 10:18PM

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CTD

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some fun stuff to try:

nose manuals- grab your tips, and ride down, hard to see, but you can do some cool stuff.

summersaults- again, lean forward, grab your tips, and keep rollin, if your good, you can flip um right around and ski away. good for a laugh.

hold a carve, and ollie while on edge. you can pop super high, and spin big 180s or 3s with it. real fun to do over stuff.

Jan 11 2006 10:24PM

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Silence

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thats the best right there..

Jan 11 2006 10:38PM

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eastAR5

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rainville does nose butter 360s a lot better than ganiers

Jan 11 2006 10:40PM

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My scratch are pretty good for butters i think, though they arent the softest skis around. If you want to butter, just throw your weight all around and see what it does, but be careful when leaning backward, its dangerous for shin bangs.
And this season i started skiing switch a lot more outside the park, like practicing switch carvings and stuff like that...

Jan 11 2006 10:43PM

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HombreDeHuevos

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rainville is sickkk...in yearbook he has a nasty nose butter

Jan 11 2006 10:44PM

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ISkiSwitch

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yes, he proves that in Yearbook.

But yea, ollies are the. When dicking around the mountain, practice leaning back real far so your tips come semi-high up, the snap even and jump. I can ollie logs 3 and 1/2 feet high over a log on flat ground barely touching my skis, its just that the tails on invaders are long, and they give you so much pop. Too bad my boots suck balls, the inside is like pure plastic, no padding left...

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