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Tremblant saga continues

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Big-Punisher
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http://www.tremblant.ca/media/press/negotiation/20051223_n-e.htm

things are looking worse and worse for the ski season. once december 31st comes and goes, the negotiating leverage of the employees will basically disappear. following the christmas holidays, the resort typically operates at a deficit until march break hits, thus management really have no incentive to settle until the next big wave of tourists arrives. intrawest's earnings at tremblant during the xmas season account for approximately 25% of total earnings over the year. in other words, once this week passes, the resort has lost 25% of its profits, and really has no reason to settle. my guess is that management plays a game of chicken with the employees, hoping that they will cave first and accept a deal out of desperation.

perfect example, the hockey lockout. once the season was cancelled, the players had no leverage for negotiation and ended up taking a deal over the summer that was worse than what they would have received in january.

unless this strike is settled by the 28th, expect a pretty shitty ski season at tremblant.
Dec 24 2005 10:51PM
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skisebski
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tremblant employess are some of the best paid
Dec 24 2005 11:01PM
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lanks
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out west i go.
Dec 24 2005 11:02PM
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pocket-rocket
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Tremblant gave an ultimatum to the 27th for the employees to accept what was last offered. As said above, if they say no, tremblant will probably call a lock out until school break seasons.
Dec 24 2005 11:03PM
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Big-Punisher
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what's more, the whole area is suffering. tourists dont only spend their dollars at the resort, but as much at the gas stations, grocery stores, and restaurants elsewhere in the region. 8000 people live in tremblant/st-jovite area, and 1600 work for the mountain. however, a huge chunk of those leftover work for establishments that are dependent on the tourist dollar that comes through. yet when the strike is settled, they certainly go back to work without any increase in their salary. in other words, everybody is getting hurt in the area by the selfish decisions of their own family and neighbours.
Dec 24 2005 11:09PM
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SnowCoast
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Tremblant runs red even during high season? I find that hard to believe. Maybe the time between christmas and february high season, but after they they proably rake it in.
Dec 24 2005 11:32PM
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lorida
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sucks for the rich americans who booked a condo in tremblant for x-mas break
Dec 24 2005 11:47PM
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oh no ! that is so bad, all the rich dude in the areas will suffer, i'm going to bang myself into a wall right now ! tremblant is in the need of money like everything in the world men, it's just a part of a big problem ...
Dec 24 2005 11:57PM
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pocket-rocket
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dude, not everyone in the area is rich, people owning cotages and condos might be, but I grew up there and most people that lives there arent rich at all.
Dec 25 2005 12:00AM
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Big-Punisher
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i can almost guarantee that intrawest runs a deficit on the ski side of their operations. consider the costs of running and maintaining a fully staffed mountain. grooming equipment and lifts alone must just cost a buttload. factor in staff wages, maintenance, and even the sheer amount of power needed to run all of the machinery, not to mention insurance premiums, and you have to sell a ton of ski tickets everyday to make ends meet. intrawest makes its money back in the real estate game. the true value of tremblant for them is not the mountain itself, but the land that surrounds it. the mountain is just a means of drawing people, a pretense to push condos.

that being said, im sure they are pulling in a hefty profit from the resort as a whole, but def not from the skiing itself.

now what does this mean in terms of the strike?
intrawest is probably saving more money than you think by not running its operations at full capacity, or not running them at all. therefore, joe houssain and the rest of the management can basically tell the employees to fuck off and come back when they want to work on reasonable terms. this is essentially what the nhl did with its players' union.
personally, i expect that once the deadline on the 28th passes, management is going to let the employees sweat it out, and wait for them to cave and sign an agreement which leans more towards the ownership's objectives.
management has put out an offer that is pretty damn reasonable in my opinion, and if the employees don't take it by the 28th, they are going to get hurt both in the short term ( by not working) and the long term ( by signing a shittier agreement than the one they were initially offered).
it's a question of mutual depedency: the employees need the management, the management needs the employees. one side is not being reasonable, and is subsequently fucking themselves over by acting this way.
Dec 25 2005 12:02AM
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Big-Punisher
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most people that live around there are not rich by any means. they depend on tourism for their money, and if the tourists dont show up this holiday season, the whole region is getting screwed. plus, once the strike is settled, things dont just return to normal the next day. you need to reestablish a bond of trust with your customers, a process which can take years. just ask major league baseball about their attendance struggles following the 1994 strike. skiing is no different: you are providing a source of entertainment and diversion, and people will always have the power to choose to do other things with their money.
Dec 25 2005 12:06AM
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pocket-rocket
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You dont know shit man, its all speculating, what a bunch of bullshit there, back up your statements with facts, it doesnt make sense what you are saying. Plus, prooving you have no idea what you are talking about, you forgot snowmaking and how tremblant's agreement with hydro Quebec is such that they cant make snow that much once february hits the wall.
Dec 25 2005 12:07AM
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Big-Punisher
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fuck that, telling me i dont know shit? the snowmaking agreement is just a cooked deal between hydro quebec and intrawest, two major corporations interested in profiting each other.
intrawest is a real estate development company. you think they give a shit about skiing? def no, skiing is just a hook to bring yuppies up to buy timeshares. you think they give a shit about the environment? fuck no. they have destroyed tons of natural habitats for animals since purchasing their resorts. you would have to be insane to think whistler is as clean today as it was in 1950.
in any case im not here to shoot down the corporation, but just to say that you would have to be a naive person to ever imagine that intrawest is about anything else but real estate sales.

that being said, the employees are already getting their fair cut of the pie, and should get back to work.
Dec 25 2005 12:17AM
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johnnypsunami
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fuck its so shitty. I guess this was the problem with intrawest signing workers with a union. fucking unions and fucking strikes, i just want to ski. I wish the whole world didnt have to revolve around money so much
Dec 25 2005 12:17AM
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Big-Punisher
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as for backing up my statements and justifying my ideas with proper logic: two things: 1) law school 2) having lived and worked up there.

who the fuck are you man??
Dec 25 2005 12:18AM
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pocket-rocket
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I am the one that showed you roun and taught you how to party up there man!

Snowmaking is a lot more than whatever you said..machinery operation whatever..
Dec 25 2005 12:21AM
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Big-Punisher
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you mean how to stand in the corner and stare at chicks? if that's what you mean, then yes, you taught me how to " party"
Dec 25 2005 12:22AM
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pocket-rocket
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Cuz you know how to bullshit and argue doesnt mean you can back up your statements....

As far as partying, I taught you how to say no to ugly chicks even tough they have insane tits!
Dec 25 2005 12:23AM
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Big-Punisher
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first of all, don't resent me cause im more intelligent than you.
secondly, you obviously have no clue who i am, cause i never say NO to ugly chicks with big tits. i mean cmon man.
Dec 25 2005 12:26AM
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justinm
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i taught both of you guys how to party and thats a fact
Dec 25 2005 12:27AM
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pocket-rocket
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I know you never say no, I tought you how, but beer makes you go over your own will, and do stuff you wouldnt do sober... Carooooooo
Dec 25 2005 12:27AM
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Big-Punisher
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by the way, if holding my drink while i go to make out with girls counts as partying, then you def party hard.
Dec 25 2005 12:27AM
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pocket-rocket
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Ahah, I must admit that this one was quite funny, what do you want man, I have Standards...
Dec 25 2005 12:28AM
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Big-Punisher
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that caro girl may not have been a looker, but she knew her way around the backseat of my truck.
Dec 25 2005 12:29AM
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pocket-rocket
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OZOONNEEE
Dec 25 2005 12:29AM
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pocket-rocket
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If all that counts is a nice pair of tits, ill give you My fat uncle's phone number...
Dec 25 2005 12:30AM
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Big-Punisher
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jd got more ass than you that night justin. prob cause he can actually ski
Dec 25 2005 12:30AM
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pocket-rocket
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anyways, let just refer to your signature... it tells it all!
Dec 25 2005 12:31AM
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justinm
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yeah but im a mormon man, no sex before the wedding
Dec 25 2005 12:31AM
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Big-Punisher
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listen man. first of all, you cant party worth of shit, either of you. julien, you dont talk to anyone, you just stand off to the side taking pictures of me for your scrapbook. and justin, you are the closet homosexual member of a boy band.
Dec 25 2005 12:32AM
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justinm
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im a player, you just cant follow my game man
Dec 25 2005 12:33AM
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pocket-rocket
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Things you didnt get is when we were standing in a corner, its because we were talking business, and you just couldnt resist and had to go make out with some ugly drunk biatch!
Dec 25 2005 12:34AM
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Big-Punisher
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buddy, getting a peck on the cheek from jd zicat on christmas eve as a sympathy move cause you are standing under the mistletoe does not qualify you as a player.
Dec 25 2005 12:34AM
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pocket-rocket
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What game? The only girl you ever bring back home is when your sister happens to be in the same bar as you...
Dec 25 2005 12:35AM
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justinm
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at least i dont hit on girls that are 14 years old, julien.....;)
Dec 25 2005 12:36AM
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Big-Punisher
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doing business?

what business man? trading pokemon cards that you got with your happy meal?
Dec 25 2005 12:36AM
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pocket-rocket
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I must admit I did when I was 12!!
Dec 25 2005 12:36AM
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Big-Punisher
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see julien does have standards. his girls need to be older than 14, but no older than 16.
Dec 25 2005 12:37AM
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pocket-rocket
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and you dont hit on girls at all ahha!
Dec 25 2005 12:37AM
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justinm
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yeah i dont have to, because they all hit on me
Dec 25 2005 12:38AM
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pocket-rocket
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funny..since you guys both know that I have a hot girlfriend ;-)

Burnnnnnnnn!
Dec 25 2005 12:39AM
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pocket-rocket
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hit on your with their hand bags, since you grab their ass like a 8 years old on halloween night grabing candies!
Dec 25 2005 12:39AM
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Big-Punisher
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that's true. justin actually sleeps in his new dna ski suit. girls are too big an inconvenience for a ski stud like him. they hamper his game on the rails.
Dec 25 2005 12:39AM
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Big-Punisher
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a hot girlfriend?
what a joke. give me 10 bottles of beer and 2 paper bags and maybe she is ok.

why two paper bags?
one for her head, and one for my head in case the one on her head falls off.
Dec 25 2005 12:41AM
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justinm
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the thing is, i dont even ski
Dec 25 2005 12:41AM
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pocket-rocket
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I must admit that this comment was a "funny" one, but knowing what you really think, too bad I know its far fromt he reality! ;-)
Dec 25 2005 12:42AM
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pocket-rocket
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Oh, and 2 bottles of beer are enough to get you drunk man!
Dec 25 2005 12:42AM
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lanks
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this is certainly a tremblant saga.
Dec 25 2005 12:43AM
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pocket-rocket
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and that, considering I drink half of each while you make out with ugly chicks
Dec 25 2005 12:43AM
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pocket-rocket
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you have no right to enter this, you arent a tremblant local. no hard feeling, no personal offense, but dude, this shit is local only!
Dec 25 2005 12:44AM
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justinm
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at least he makes out with chicks^^ unlike you
Dec 25 2005 12:44AM
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