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Madens or ANTs

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rockymountainmilitia
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I have the opportunity to get one or the other. if anyone has ever rode the maden if they could let me kn ow how it is that would be great. im 6'0" and 190 lbs. is the maden gonna be to flimsy. i want a ski that will hold its own.

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Aug 3 2005 5:47PM
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Vicious
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the two skis are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different

made'n = soft and super fun, especially in the pow
ant = i haven't skied it yet, but from what i've heard, you better charge if you ski these bad boys, so strap on your full face and hold onto your balls!


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Aug 3 2005 5:49PM
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iggyskier
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yeah, ANTs are for charging constantly.

Maybe consider the Seth Vicious if you look at the Made'n.

will still be sick in powder but a little more versatile

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dandoy
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ANTs, definetly.


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Aug 3 2005 5:53PM
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lpskier5
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this depends what your skiing, and how you like to ski, personally i think the ANT would be too harsh for me

Aug 3 2005 6:02PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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pretty much cliffs and lines, i have park skis and all mountain skis. i just want a big mountain ski for steep and deep. Is the maden more of a BC booter ski.

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Aug 3 2005 6:16PM
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dandoy
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both the maidens and ANTs are pretty hardcore. I'd go for the ARV or Jp vs Julien.


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Aug 3 2005 6:18PM
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johanblaze
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that's what i was thinking.

Aug 3 2005 6:18PM
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trevorwoulddoit
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Made'n= Italian Sausage
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Aug 3 2005 7:16PM
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skirbrt88
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yeah if you can jp vs ju seems like a good pick




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Aug 3 2005 7:37PM
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^there was a pair of those on ebay for wicked cheap but they might be gone now

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Aug 3 2005 7:39PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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i dont want the jp vs. julien, only the ant or the maden. im a bigger guy, is the maden gonna hold my weight or is it gonna flop around. i have a good deal on the madens but if it will be worth it ill get the ANTs. I wasnt around snow last year so i never got to demo the madens and try em out. i need something stiff, will the maden feel stable with 200 lbs riding on it.

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Aug 3 2005 7:41PM
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Vicious
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well put bro


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Aug 3 2005 10:28PM
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Vicious
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I'm 6'3" 185 and I really enjoy the Made'ns. Of course, at high speeds they till chatter a bit, but what do you expect, it's a soft pow ski.

However, if you are REALLY aggressive and only want the ski for pow and straightlining, get the ANT. It definitely won't be as forgiving, but you will definitely fly past alot of people going mach 4.


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Aug 3 2005 10:30PM
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dandoy
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Go with the ANT.


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Aug 3 2005 10:31PM
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Vicious
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not sure you really know what you're talking about, but ok


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Aug 3 2005 10:34PM
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Odd_Job
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im a huuuuge guy and i ride the maden'AKs in 179 center mounted... they do feel a little soft and chatter a shitload(but thats prolly cause they are center mounted) so if you really want a beefy ski that can handle any condition, i wouldn't recommend these skis. i ride the pistols also i def would say that would be the better and prolly best choice. the new viciouses are extremely versatile and really will be the best option for you, but thats only this humble man's opinion.

Aug 3 2005 10:35PM
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Vicious
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FYI, skis tend to chatter less when center mounted as there is less tip to flop around.


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Aug 3 2005 10:38PM
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dandoy
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I think you should ski more and stop being NS equipment-pimp.


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Aug 3 2005 10:51PM
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Jib_This
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hey douche bag, it's August 3rd. No skiing to be had anywhere around North America.





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Aug 3 2005 10:54PM
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Vicious
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You got it slick. I'll keep that in mind once the season starts and I have the option of skiing. Until then, I'll stick to it. At least I try provide actual info when I post as opposed to a majority of others.


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Aug 3 2005 10:55PM
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iggyskier
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hahahahah....

that was funny

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Aug 3 2005 10:59PM
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dandoy
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Ya well I'm sorry, I'm not usually like that, but I didn't think Mr Vicious had any reason to rag on me for giving my opinion.


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Aug 3 2005 11:09PM
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johanblaze
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hahahahaha

Aug 3 2005 11:10PM
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iggyskier
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and to clarrify I'm laughing at PDandoy, not vicious.

though Describing Vicious as a Equitment Pimp doesn't seem to be too far off =)

there nothing wrong with being an equitment pimp, sometimes people get jealous though and take it out in ways they dont mean....

for example accussing Vicious of not getting enough time on the slopes......in August.

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Aug 3 2005 11:11PM
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iggyskier
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the reason, I'm guessing, he said he wasn't sure that you knew what you were talking about is that made'n aren't exactly "hardcore" like Ants.

Ants are much beefier and stiff, while Made'n are soft enough that they aren't gonna make you wanna kill youself when your skiing on them and don't feel like charging everything.

Jp vs Julien also kind of suck compared to those two skis if the guy is looking for a big ski capable of skiing big mountains really well.

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Aug 3 2005 11:15PM
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dandoy
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Again, I'm very sorry.


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Aug 3 2005 11:20PM
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iggyskier
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you shouldn't be, we're mostly just fucking with you.....



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Aug 3 2005 11:22PM
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DHogg
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not many people have skied the ANT but its hard to judge. your better to compare to JP vs Julian as some1 might have said.

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Aug 3 2005 11:39PM
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Vicious
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Yes, that's why I said that originally.


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Aug 4 2005 9:08AM
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Vicious
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This is true...


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Aug 4 2005 9:08AM
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Jib_This
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Dude, the internet is for slandering others anonymously and fucking with people, and you're on the king of websites for both.





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Aug 4 2005 10:36AM
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J.D.
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Ok, let me get this straight... you're saying if he wants a beefy ski for any condition, he shouldn't get ANTs cause they'll flop around a lot? But he should get Viciouses, because they won't?

I'm not sure I understand whatever language we're speaking here... If you're going to suggest something he hasn't listed, Why aren't people chanting "Gotamas!" or "B-Squads!" or something that compares? I'm confused.

And I nominate Vicious for official equipment pimp of NS. Put it in your sig, man. No offense to other qualified equipment pimps. (I count 4 in this thread so far). You can be the E-Pimp for short! Don't worry, no one will get the wrong idea.

Aug 4 2005 11:27AM
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Vicious
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Alrighty.

Official NS Equipment Pimp aka E-Pimp

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Aug 4 2005 11:58AM
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dandoy
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Hah, there ya go, I dubbed your ass a title ;)


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Aug 4 2005 12:30PM
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LC.
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Seems to be some people in this thread who know what they're talking about. I've not demoed much so if anyone could help me out, that would be cool:

I'm heading to Whistler for the whole season in November. For the past 3 years I've skied a 190 V-Pro (similar to the Karma) just 3 or 4 weeks per year in Europe, skiing pretty equal amounts of park, groomed and powder. They've been an awesome ski all round but a bit stiff for park and a bit narrow for serious powder. So I'm thinking about skis for this season. I really want to push my park skiing so I need something a bit softer than the V-Pro. But I still don't want to be too held back much on big powder days. I'm 6'3, 185lbs so I need big skis - I definitely don't want to ski shorter than 185cm anywhere.

Once choice would be one ski for everything - Pistol or Vicious in a 189 would be an obvious choice, 185 Scratch BC, ARVs or 187 MSPs maybe. Dynastar Big Troubles sound nice but their edge strength seems to get a bad write up on here. Mojo 90 and Mantra's dimensions look good too but they'll be too stiff for me to progress a lot in the park.

The other option would be a park pair and powder pair. For park skis I'm very limited because there are very few over 185cm. Chronic Wides seem the best bet in a 187. But for powder skis I'd have a lot of choice. Made'ns, JP/Juliens or Gotamas look good. What do you guys reckon? I have no experience of North American skiing so I don't know how much width I'd need for big powder days. I'm a very experienced and strong skier but prefer big smooth powder turns to charging everything really aggressively.

Supposedly I can rent a full 06/07 setup for $200 for the season because I'm working for a rental shop in Whistler, then either give them back at the end or pay another $300 or so if I want to keep them. So I'll need to see what they can offer me in terms of new product. This might be a better way to do it though because I expect if I got two pairs my park pair will be pretty trashed by the end of the season so if that was the "rented" pair I could give them back and keep the powder pair I buy myself. Any thoughts?

Any opinions would be a big help.

Aug 4 2005 6:08PM
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trevorwoulddoit
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^If I was you, and only considering buying one all around ski, I would look into Made'ns, or Jp vs Juliens if you're leaning towards the fatter side of things. ARV's or Vicious' if you're looking to go a bit skinnier.



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Aug 4 2005 6:27PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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thanks guys you obviously didnt read my post farther down, i have park skis AR5s and all mountain 188 Scratch BC. I got hooked up with a job which will allow me to do some heli and cat skiing and i also ski alot a kicking horse and roger pass area. I got Private messaged that thhe stiffness of the ANT will be similar to the gotama so im gonna go with those since the gotama was a best pow ski i tried next year. thanks for the help.

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Aug 4 2005 10:55PM
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iggyskier
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ummmm.....the stiffness of the Ants is not going to be similar to that of the gotamas.

Gotamas are very soft. Ants are going to be more along the lines of explosives, if not stiffer.



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The ANT is likely the stiffest twin tip in existence.


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Aug 5 2005 12:05AM
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Odd_Job
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i dunno man, maybe traditionally when center mounting there is less chatter, but my made'n AKs chatter like its their job and my pistols which are only +3 don't chatter as much...

Aug 5 2005 12:56PM
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iggyskier
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pistols are stffer than made'ns, so they chatter less.

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Aug 5 2005 12:58PM
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Made'N AK's don't chatter much if you mount them at core center, which is where you should be mounting a ski like that.

Aug 5 2005 1:48PM
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iggyskier
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not if it is your Pow day ski. +4 or +5 is more than enough.

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for the most part the people who have commented on this thread are pretty much the only people i would trust when getting ski advice


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Aug 5 2005 9:37PM
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skiwoj
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id go with the ants but both r good

Aug 5 2005 10:01PM
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