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Prophet 100, Pistols and the Vicious.

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deleted000
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Okay so I'm looking into some skis for next season. These skis will never touch a rail since I have Fujatives for that. These skis will be strictly big mtn/all mtn skis although I want them to perform well on hard pack too. I'm looking into the 169 Pistol, 169 Vicious or the Prophet 100 in a 172. I'm leaning towards the Prophets because they are stiffer but with that comes heavyness. I'm a fan of soft skis too but stiff skis are also fun... I don't want a ski inbetween. I'm hoping to demo all three skis next fall but I'd like to hear opinions on them. As for duriblility, they are all very solid so that's not a problem. Thanks for the help guys :)

Mar 29 2005 12:09AM
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mikee
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how tall are you? anything over 5'2 and I woudl recommend a 180ish size for big mountain riding.


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Mar 29 2005 12:11AM
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deleted000
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I'm 5"4 fairly strong technical skier. I think I'm going to go with a 170ish though, easier to turn and whatnot.

Mar 29 2005 12:15AM
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johanblaze
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i am in the same boat. i have park skis already and want a pair for all-mountain and pow with no intention of them touching rails. i was checking out the pistols, madens, and the vicious. i ended up going with the 189 vicious. for your size i would recommend the 179's. i think a little longer is better for all-mountain and powder, and you will still probably grow a little bit. now, if they were park skis i would recommend the 169's, but ultimately it is personal preference, and the decision is up to you.

Mar 29 2005 1:21AM
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deleted000
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Yeah I'll demo two sizes and see what's better. But as for skis what do you think?

Mar 29 2005 1:43AM
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CHRISm
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the prophets kick ass; very stiff, can handle anything, and aren't heavier than either of the other skis you mentioned.

Mar 29 2005 1:44AM
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deleted000
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Compaired to the Gotamas how stiff are they? And I sure as hell hope they are lighter then the Gotamas.

Mar 29 2005 1:47AM
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johanblaze
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the vicious are supposed to be a little better than the pistols on hardpack. so it depends what you do. the old pistols are the fucking most amazing damn skis i have ever skiied in my life. they are amazing.

Mar 29 2005 2:04AM
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J.D.
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Few have skiied the prophet 100... friend of mine will be getting a pair soon, we'll see how he likes them. None of these skis is as stiff as the gotama. The prophets will be stiffer than the K2s, most likely.

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Mar 29 2005 2:28AM
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TheStamos
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i skid the prophet 100 in a 186 , it kicked my ass at 5 10' 140 pound's, Get the Elizibeth . Holy fuck they are the sickest ski i have ever been on !!

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Mar 29 2005 3:33AM
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poor@$$skibum
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get 193cm so everyone thinks your a crazy big mountain ripper.

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Mar 29 2005 11:19AM
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deleted000
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Well some have said that they like old Pistols better than the Seth Vicious so should I not concidar the Vicious anymore? Another thing, J.D.. have you skied Priors before? I demoed them and boy are they stiff, do they compair to that?

Mar 29 2005 12:24PM
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deleted000
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Oh and are they a true twin? Like 55/55 tip/tail?

Mar 29 2005 2:19PM
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johanblaze
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^ only lines have the same tip and tail height. they have a patent on it. K2's are probably amazingly close though. like 55/54, but i don't know for sure. i know the jp vs julien's tail is 15mm higher than the tip.

Mar 29 2005 3:52PM
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mammothloc
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how technical f big mountain are you skiing? shorter sis are alwas helful for technical rocky shit, plus the shorter the ski the more you sink into the powder, and isnt that the point of powder? y get somethin like Pollards ski and float on the first foot of five feet of fresh shit...

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Mar 29 2005 3:54PM
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deleted000
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I think I'm going to get the 172 Prophet. And I would just like to say that Josh Bryant is the best guy alive, he helped me so much on chosing skis. Thanks man :)

Mar 29 2005 5:43PM
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johanblaze
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asking josh if you should get prophets is like asking the KKK to lynch black people. it's just how things are going to be.

Mar 29 2005 5:53PM
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Lineskier-101
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Yeah he swears by prophets.

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Mar 29 2005 5:56PM
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skibum193
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^^wow, that is a perfect analogy hahaha


i rock the pow like none other
Mar 29 2005 6:08PM
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joshbryant
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Now Sean, I don't think I like being compared to the KKK. And in my defense, I also pushed the Seth Vicious. I'm stoked on all fat skis.


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Mar 29 2005 6:37PM
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johanblaze
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haha. just giving you a hard time josh. we know you will die next to your prophets though.

Mar 29 2005 6:40PM
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deleted000
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Well he carries K2s and LINEs so it wouldn't be that bias. Anyways, thanks once again.

Mar 29 2005 6:44PM
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Jib_This
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Excellent choice on the prophet 100.





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Mar 29 2005 6:45PM
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joshbryant
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I've been riding my Elizabeth a lot lately too. It's so fun in the park.


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Mar 29 2005 7:14PM
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freeze717
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get the 179 or 189 seth vicius/pistol.

Mar 29 2005 8:07PM
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deleted000
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Yeah I'm 5'4 and you want me to sport a 189 Pistol. You are the smartest guy I know.

Mar 30 2005 12:46AM
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.[sanhedrin].
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Without a doubt, most of the NS groms will fall in love with fatter than usual skis once they have tried them.

I skied the Elizabeth, and I feel like an idiot now for buying Skogen's a couple of months ago. -- I sould have just waited to get a pair of fatties next year.

I was very concerned about it's cabability on the harder snow, but then I realized that it is not much different than turning on a 94mm waisted ski, like the Seth Pisol, or B3. Those kind of turns are more of smears anyways.

Like I beforementioned, just try them once, and you will regret ever dissing them.

Everything Josh says is true about the matter.

Mar 30 2005 3:28PM
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J.D.
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I endorse your final decision wholeheartedly.

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Mar 30 2005 4:05PM
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skibum193
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my seth pistols are the shit. i would go wider if u could though


i rock the pow like none other
Mar 30 2005 5:02PM
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Ghost82nd
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ive skied the prophet 100s in the 186 size and they are awesome. im 5'11"ish but im a heavier 185-190lbs. i love their stability with my weight and they ski awesome. they skied me a lil but i think with a lil more experience theyll be great skis for me. i would recommend the prophets and the 172 would probably be good for you cause the 186s would mess you up cause youre smaller. id say the prophets are a good choice cause i know im goin for em for next years fat skis for me. elizabeths will be mine for park depending on how the ski when i ski em soon

Mar 30 2005 5:16PM
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TheStamos
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ther eonly prob is there turning radius is huge but i learned with skis of that size turning is not needed.

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Mar 31 2005 1:25AM
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Ghost82nd
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^haha nick i learned that as well

Mar 31 2005 1:37AM
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deleted000
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Errg I just talked to a guy who has skied all three (SP, SV, P100) and he said that the Prophets turn like tanks while the SP and SV and more turny so I'm back at faze one now :(

Mar 31 2005 2:37PM
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skifiend
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I've only skied on Pistols but I think the Pistol or the Vicious would be more of an all mtn ski than the prophet.


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Fat skis, Tight trees
Mar 31 2005 2:50PM
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deleted000
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All three have very simular dimentions so why would you say that?

Mar 31 2005 3:25PM
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rodadeaco
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I don't think you could go wrong with any of them, I would say just pick your favorite, or which one you can get the best deal on. Personally I would get the Vicious, but just because I know K2 skis kick ass.


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Mar 31 2005 3:46PM
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deleted000
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I'm also looking into the LINE Elizabeth now aswell so any info on that would be great too.

Mar 31 2005 4:00PM
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skifiend
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They are all very similar dimensions but different flex patterns if I'm not mistaken. As said above, the Prophet is stiffer, and it's my opinion that a softer flex, fat ski is better for all mtn riding.


Smuggs kicks ass

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Mar 31 2005 4:04PM
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johanblaze
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^^ the line elizabeth is a sick ski. they are fat as hell, and pretty short. they carve really well and float well in powder. you can ski tight trees super fast. they are pollards park skis though. you should demo them.

Mar 31 2005 6:45PM
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joshbryant
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The best way to know what ski is right for you is to try it out first. This can be easier said than done. But if/when you do try it, try it for more than one run. It can take some practice to adjust to a new ski.


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Mar 31 2005 7:02PM
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deleted000
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Yup, I'm going to try and demo all them and see what I like.

Mar 31 2005 7:08PM
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$1080PLP$
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never ridden any of them but i would say the prophets for the fact that i like a stiffer all mt ski so it can handle anything the mt has to offer, i find a soft ski can be good in powder and maybe turn easyer but you will lose the stablity and control a stiff skis has all over the the mt, i guess it comes down to how hard do you want to charge chutes, ride the bowls, cruise the hard pack, tear the Mt a new one, basicly how fast do you want to really go and still feel in control? Iim ridding a pair of 182 motherships and love how stiff they are i never break out my chronics unless i'm just sitting in the park. It takes a little bit getting use to the extra speed and having to work a little more for a turn but i've noticed my skiing progress since i can push my ridding more.



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Mar 31 2005 9:05PM
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deleted000
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Yeah I will be charging pretty hard but not like Alaskian lines or anything.

Apr 1 2005 7:43PM
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shift968
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anyone try the k2 maden ak? they look better than anything else by k2 for all mountain.

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Apr 2 2005 5:07PM
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Vicious
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made'ns are one of the sickest skis i've ever had


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Apr 2 2005 5:09PM
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Alpine3
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dude are you stupid?? 60cm salomon snow blades.. drrrrr they are the shit

Apr 2 2005 8:27PM
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Vicious
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you're attempt at a witty reply just makes you look like an idiot


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Apr 2 2005 8:45PM
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xX4FRNTXx
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I am 5' 6" and I just got the 186 Prophet 130s and they aren't too much bigger than me. I get to go heliskiing in Chile this summer with em' :)

Apr 5 2005 4:46PM
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Vicious
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^lucky lil bastard

that's sick though dude!


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Apr 5 2005 4:55PM
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Muteman
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I would go with the prophets. Fromw hat ive heard they are sick as hell. I like my pistols but they fucking got shreeded apart on top. Has anyone else had that problem wher ethe sidewall gets ripped off allover the place. I have had som many core shot on the top of the ski. Same with my publics. K2's are good but I have had problems with durability.

Insane_skier: Under my name It sais beginner. I am very discouraged to the fact that the site adminster didn't look at my profile or ask before doing something like this. I may be new to this website but I have been skiing more then most of you. PLEA
Apr 6 2005 1:27AM
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SNWBDRHOON
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prophet 100s hands down.

i am 5'8" and 180... and love the larger sizes.

elizabeths are super fun skis too but my all-rounder will be the prophets.

May 20 2005 3:10PM
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