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Mr.Sloth
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WHY THE FUCK ISN"T THERE A THREAD ON THIS


Heavily armed police have shut down Ferguson. There is a media blackout. Arresting reporters. The Missouri Militia supposedly has boots on the ground.

This is very fucked.
Aug 14 2014 12:36AM
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theBearJew
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louie.miragsI am the youngest in my office by at least 10 years. Everybody is >35yrs old. All of them are obviously siding with the police. I say obviously because it seems like such a old school opinion. I do not know all of the facts and i'm not going to pretend I do like everybody else. But, what is evident is how racist they are. They wouldn't admit it, but all of their reasoning for being ok with a cop killer is them being racist subconsciously. Every point is "well he was robbing a store" or "look how these people are looting they're animals" and so on. No talks about self defense or the law on when somebody can shoot. All of their opinions tend to be based on race.. Maybe it is the media putting these ideas in their head idk but the mentality of the cops verses the community is horrible.



I cant tell if youre agreeing with me or disagreeing. But either way I agree with you. The idea that cops are against the people theyre trying to protect is a problem. Cops killing innocent people is a problem, no matter what those people look like. This should be a cops v innocent issues, not white cop v black innocent.
Nov 25 2014 9:37AM
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louie.mirags
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theBearJewI cant tell if youre agreeing with me or disagreeing. But either way I agree with you. The idea that cops are against the people theyre trying to protect is a problem. Cops killing innocent people is a problem, no matter what those people look like. This should be a cops v innocent issues, not white cop v black innocent.


agreeing
Nov 25 2014 9:41AM
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PeppermillReno
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.MASSHOLE.Yes, let us take the word of one man who was in the south for an ENTIRE WEEK. Obviously it means you have enough experience to give an educated opinion on the topic.

Rioting is not a big deal in the big picture? You realize that with these riots the message that Michael Brown's parents tried to get out will be lost? The mainstream news will cover the riots and neglect the importance of the changes the parents want to instill.




Dude rioting is not a big deal unless the cops open fire on the rioters like Tianamen Sq. Powerless people have no other form of expression than to riot.

And if people can riot over losing a sports game for no reason what so ever than I think its OK for the folks in Ferguson to riot given the circumstances.


Again just a lot of hot air on here from rich white kids who have never been in a riot and have never spent time in a community that isn't 95%+ white.
Nov 25 2014 9:42AM
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shocker611
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PeppermillRenoDude rioting is not a big deal unless the cops open fire on the rioters like Tianamen Sq. Powerless people have no other form of expression than to riot.

And if people can riot over losing a sports game for no reason what so ever than I think its OK for the folks in Ferguson to riot given the circumstances.


Again just a lot of hot air on here from rich white kids who have never been in a riot and have never spent time in a community that isn't 95%+ white.


"powerless people have no other form of expression than to riot" says MLK Jr at the I have a dream speech. Fuck you are retarded. Have you ever heard of the civil rights movement?
Nov 25 2014 9:45AM
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PeppermillReno
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shocker611"powerless people have no other form of expression than to riot" says MLK Jr at the I have a dream speech. Fuck you are retarded. Have you ever heard of the civil rights movement?


Dude 90% of the people in the streets are trying to protest like MLK Jr but sometimes it doesn't always go down on this.


You don't think there were plenty of demonstrations by black people last night without any rioting or looting?


A small 5% or less of the crowd can turn a peaceful protest into a riot with the other 95% powerless to stop them often. Thats why you can't crack down on riots the two are two closely related and intertwined.
Nov 25 2014 10:02AM
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danncphedran
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The cop should of been indictided
Nov 25 2014 10:03AM
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FreedGucci
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danncphedranThe cop should of been indictided


Captain obvious here. But really this is fucked
Nov 25 2014 10:10AM
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CaptainObvious.
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Black.Captain obvious here


Nov 25 2014 10:17AM
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.Hugo.
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danncphedranThe cop should of been indictided


You seem to know something about the case the rest of us dont... enlighten us. Or are you just some handicap that thinks hes trolling?
Nov 25 2014 10:17AM
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.Hugo.Or are you just some handicap that thinks hes trolling?


This should be ban worthy.
Nov 25 2014 10:23AM
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Yeah, lets make fun of the disabled in a thread about racism in America.
Nov 25 2014 10:32AM
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Mr.Huck
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danncphedranThe cop should of been indictided


For what? For doing his job and defending himself when a 300 lb guy was beating on him and trying to take his gun from him? All the witness statements say that Brown laid hands on Wilson when he tried to get out of his vehicle. Brown was trying to get Wilson's gun. Wilson shot him. Where is your fucking mind?

If you attack an armed police officer, bad things will likely happen to you. Even if you succeed, you will spend most of your remaining life in prison. The whole media representation of Saint Michael is huge crock of shit. This has absolutely nothing to do with Darren Wilson. He just happened to be there when Brown was feeling feisty.
Nov 25 2014 10:33AM
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.Hugo.
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~~~~~~~~Yeah, lets make fun of the disabled in a thread about racism in America.


Not making fun of disabled, just calling the dude a moron if hes trying to troll.

Youre softer than charmin, man
Nov 25 2014 10:39AM
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.Hugo.Not making fun of disabled, just calling the dude a moron if hes trying to troll.

Youre softer than charmin, man


So Handicapped = Moron, got it. But you're not making fun of the disabled.
Nov 25 2014 10:42AM
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CaptainObvious.
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.Hugo.ot making fun of disabled, just calling the dude a moron if hes trying to troll.


Youre softer than charmin,N man[/quote]

I was going to make a clever comment, but take a look at this accidental fucking frankenstein I made out of your quote.
Nov 25 2014 10:44AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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~~~~~~~~So Handicapped = Moron, got it. But you're not making fun of the disabled.


jesus fucking christ. give it up. it's a figure of fucking speech. take your whiny, politically correct bullshit somewhere else. if you can't take the internet, maybe you should unplug.
Nov 25 2014 10:59AM
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.Hugo.
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~~~~~~~~So Handicapped = Moron, got it. But you're not making fun of the disabled.


Lol youre a funny guy
Nov 25 2014 11:12AM
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Mr.HuckIf you attack an armed police officer, bad things will likely happen to you.


This x10000000
Nov 25 2014 11:16AM
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louie.mirags
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This is a classic case of somebody playing the victim. The person Hugo said that too never even said if he was offended or not.
Nov 25 2014 11:18AM
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.Hugo.
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louie.miragsThis is a classic case of somebody playing the victim. The person Hugo said that too never even said if he was offended or not.


And I dont care if he is offended either, tbh.

Also look at the dudes posts in other nsg threads. Its either an alias or some kid that thinks he is "trolling".
Nov 25 2014 11:23AM
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JAHpow
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theBearJewThe idea that cops are against the people theyre trying to protect is a problem. Cops killing innocent people is a problem, no matter what those people look like. This should be a cops v innocent issues, not white cop v black innocent.


I'm confused as to which way this statement is pointing.

Are you saying that the idea itself is the problem? Meaning that cops are given the false label that they're against the people.

And then are you applying the "cops v innocent issue" to this case? Because it's quite clear that Brown was not innocent of anything that happened.
Nov 25 2014 11:23AM
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louie.miragsThis is a classic case of somebody playing the victim. The person Hugo said that too never even said if he was offended or not.


If there ever was a thread to be PC in this is it. Face it, it's no different than a make me a sandwich joke or calling someone a fag. It's tasteless and should be unacceptable, especially in such a serious thread.
Nov 25 2014 11:23AM
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theBearJew. Cops killing innocent people is a problem


He wasn't innocent though. He stole swishers and then assaulted a cop. Cops should never even lay hands on anyone that's innocent, but this kid wasn't one of those people.
Nov 25 2014 11:28AM
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JGWI
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What I found interesting is as soon as they told the people outside of the the decision, a bunch of people began running down the street and breaking into things. Seems like a lot of people there don't and never did give a f*&k about the shooting but rather those nice shiny rims in the store. It didn't help that there was hundreds of people with cameras just begging for something to happen.
Nov 25 2014 11:33AM
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Definitely not.

What I don't understand though is why police departments have their officers patrolling alone. Maybe a lack of numbers, but it makes no sense. Cops should always roll in buddy teams. If he wasn't alone this whole situation could've been completely changed.
Nov 25 2014 11:36AM
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louie.mirags
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~~~~~~~~If there ever was a thread to be PC in this is it. Face it, it's no different than a make me a sandwich joke or calling someone a fag. It's tasteless and should be unacceptable, especially in such a serious thread.


I hear ya.. i've been called a pussy on this site before for saying something was offensive. But, you're reaching hard. Handicap would actually be a polite way of saying somebody was mentally challenged. Now if hugo knew he was slow and called him retarded then that would be different.

thread can resume now... back to killa cops
Nov 25 2014 11:37AM
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.Hugo.
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CirilloDefinitely not.

What I don't understand though is why police departments have their officers patrolling alone. Maybe a lack of numbers, but it makes no sense. Cops should always roll in buddy teams. If he wasn't alone this whole situation could've been completely changed.


I think it depends on the department, and how much funding they get. Having 2 officers in each car doubles the amount of people you have to pay. That is a lot of money
Nov 25 2014 11:39AM
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louie.mirags
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CirilloDefinitely not.

What I don't understand though is why police departments have their officers patrolling alone. Maybe a lack of numbers, but it makes no sense. Cops should always roll in buddy teams. If he wasn't alone this whole situation could've been completely changed.


NY state troopers roll together over night (source a buddy of mine is NYSP). I was a village police dispatcher last year in college and I can say their budget is tight! 2 officers on duty plus a dispatcher around the clock. They would drive together sometimes but usually were apart
Nov 25 2014 11:39AM
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theBearJew
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JAHpowI'm confused as to which way this statement is pointing.

Are you saying that the idea itself is the problem? Meaning that cops are given the false label that they're against the people.

And then are you applying the "cops v innocent issue" to this case? Because it's quite clear that Brown was not innocent of anything that happened.


CirilloHe wasn't innocent though. He stole swishers and then assaulted a cop. Cops should never even lay hands on anyone that's innocent, but this kid wasn't one of those people.


What Im saying is the underlying issue is cops v innocent people. In this case, Brown was determined to be not an innocent person. The cop acted in defense not in excess.

Had people looked at this case as cops v innocent people the decision wouldn't entice a riot. When you turn it black v white, thats when you get last nights result. People seemed like they were there to riot reguardless of an indictment.

If people really want to fix this problem then it cant be a race issue. It has to be a human issue.
Nov 25 2014 11:40AM
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JAHpow
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I fail to see how murder comes into play. The evidence points, more or less, towards a case of self-defense.
Nov 25 2014 11:43AM
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louie.mirags
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JAHpowI fail to see how murder comes into play. The evidence points, more or less, towards a case of self-defense.


I'd bet he regrets pulling that trigger
Nov 25 2014 11:47AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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PeppermillRenoDude rioting is not a big deal unless the cops open fire on the rioters like Tianamen Sq. Powerless people have no other form of expression than to riot.

And if people can riot over losing a sports game for no reason what so ever than I think its OK for the folks in Ferguson to riot given the circumstances.


Again just a lot of hot air on here from rich white kids who have never been in a riot and have never spent time in a community that isn't 95%+ white.


Rioting is not a big deal...? Really? You said that?

So looting and destroying property of innocent people is not a big deal? Hey NS, lets find Reno's house and loot it because were upset that ski passes are too expensive! That will show the ski resorts were upset with them!

By the way, your logic that rioting over a sports game makes this riot ok is completely flawed. Most of North America looked at it with disgust, no one condoned it.
Nov 25 2014 11:47AM
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SKI.ING
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CirilloDefinitely not.

What I don't understand though is why police departments have their officers patrolling alone. Maybe a lack of numbers, but it makes no sense. Cops should always roll in buddy teams. If he wasn't alone this whole situation could've been completely changed.


You guys say murder. He killed him, he didn't murder him. Until you are out on the street and have to make a decision like that, you can't comment on how to pacify a violent individual. It's hard to be a cop these days. It's like maybe if Wilson waited a few seconds before firing, maybe he would be the dead one. Then it would just be a blurb in the local news, and nobody would protest or riot or loot. That's the difficulty of being a cop. You don't know the outcome until it's too late.
Nov 25 2014 11:49AM
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JAHpow
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theBearJewWhat Im saying is the underlying issue is cops v innocent people. In this case, Brown was determined to be not an innocent person. The cop acted in defense not in excess.

Had people looked at this case as cops v innocent people the decision wouldn't entice a riot. When you turn it black v white, thats when you get last nights result. People seemed like they were there to riot reguardless of an indictment.

If people really want to fix this problem then it cant be a race issue. It has to be a human issue.


Ah I see what you're saying, and I agree.

louie.miragsI'd bet he regrets pulling that trigger


After what people have turned it into, I would too.
Nov 25 2014 11:53AM
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Mr.Huck
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JAHpowAfter what people have turned it into, I would too.


Key thing here is that you have to be alive to have regrets. Anyone who is irrational enough to try to bum rush a cop, is irrational enough to shoot the cop if he gets control of the gun.

Personally, I'd rather live with a few regrets than be murdered with a clean conscience.
Nov 25 2014 12:35PM
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cobra_commander
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Dear black Americans:
get a new spokesperson. Al Sharpton is a fucking turd. What a fucking retard.
Nov 25 2014 12:51PM
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SKI.INGYou guys say murder. He killed him, he didn't murder him.


I don't think he was murdered, when I said definitely not I just meant it would've been preferable if he didn't die.
Nov 25 2014 12:53PM
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SnowshoeThompson
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How is there any sense in going around burning down local businesses, random cars and attacking police officers. T Hall needs to fly down there again and settle things down.
Nov 25 2014 1:06PM
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louie.mirags
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SnowshoeThompsonHow is there any sense in going around burning down local businesses, random cars and attacking police officers. T Hall needs to fly down there again and settle things down.


a long time disconnect between citizens and police
Nov 25 2014 1:07PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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louie.miragsI am the youngest in my office by at least 10 years. Everybody is >35yrs old. All of them are obviously siding with the police. I say obviously because it seems like such a old school opinion. I do not know all of the facts and i'm not going to pretend I do like everybody else. But, what is evident is how racist they are. They wouldn't admit it, but all of their reasoning for being ok with a cop killer is them being racist subconsciously. Every point is "well he was robbing a store" or "look how these people are looting they're animals" and so on. No talks about self defense or the law on when somebody can shoot. All of their opinions tend to be based on race.. Maybe it is the media putting these ideas in their head idk but the mentality of the cops verses the community is horrible.


Are you trolling? Assuming people are racist because they disagree with you only serves to weaken your argument.

danncphedranThe cop should of been indictided


I'd bet the world that you don't know how to pronounced indicted.

~~~~~~~~This should be ban worthy.


Somebody needs to rupture your hymen.
Nov 25 2014 1:46PM
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louie.mirags
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ScaredwhiteboyAre you trolling? Assuming people are racist because they disagree with you only serves to weaken your argument.


no you don't understand what I mean.
Nov 25 2014 1:53PM
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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/739792/LISTEN--------Michael-Brown--39-s-FATHER--quot-BURN-THIS-B-TCH-DOWN-quot--Sparks-Ferguson-Looting--amp--Riots--
Nov 25 2014 1:53PM
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[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE[/URL]
Nov 25 2014 2:02PM
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jblaski
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jblaski [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE[/URL]


Fuck it, someone embed it, since it never works anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE
Nov 25 2014 2:07PM
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.Hugo.
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The demetrius x dude is trolling the fuck out if everyone in the commentsSURVEILLANCE VIDEO: Police say Michael Brown was …: [URL]http://youtu.be/mkOfqIXkBR[/URL]E
Nov 25 2014 2:22PM
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JAHpow
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No officer in their right mind will take the time to holster their sidearm after being assaulted and draw a taser.

And non-lethaly subdue a 6'4" 300lb man barreling at you? Please.

Copy pasta, Wilson acted within the law.

The use of deadly force is also authorized when a person poses a significant threat to a law enforcement officer, usually when the officer is at risk of serious bodily injury or death. In the United States, this is governed by Tennessee v. Garner, (U.S. Supreme Court 1985) which said that "deadly force...may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."

In Graham v. Connor, (U.S. Supreme Court 1989) the court expanded its definition to include "objective reasonableness" standard—not subjective as to what the officer's intent might have been—and it must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer at the scene—and its calculus must embody the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation.
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