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Unfortunately this thread has already been done, for one of the past shootings. This is an incredible problem in America with no good solution. So many people will blame guns but when it comes down to it, it is a very troubled individual who pulled the trigger. Mental health in America needs a lot more attention, but that is difficult to do. Seizing guns and making law-abiding Americans into criminals is not the answer, of that I am certain.
They need to let the public see how miserable a life the shooters have in prison so dipsticks thinking of doing this would be scared shitless of what their life will become and not do these things. Shooter video games and tv shows with multiple shootings in them may play a role too.
not trying to be that guy, or sound like an asshole at all but... you don't have to make a thread about every shooting. we all know america has a problem. pretty impossible to fix, this shit didn't used to happen and we had about the same amount of guns.
This is such a polarizing issue and people are so entrenched in their positions that it's hard to believe things will ever change at this point. There doesn't seem to currently be an option that would satisfy both parties.
Mass shootings can be significantly reduced by reducing the availability of guns. We have statistical evidence from all around the globe proving that more guns correlate with more shootings, fewer guns fewer shootings. Hence the obvious solution pretty much all developed countries have adopted: reduce gun availability by implementing stricter gun laws, and straight-up ban some stuff like large magazine weapons, etc.
The problem with this route is that it would make it harder for everyone to get guns, and this is the main problem. You have plenty of people who enjoy using firearms recreationally, and who will never use them to commit murder, these people obviously want to keep this right and don't want it to become harder for them to get access to guns.
Gun enthusiast instead argue that since mass shooters have a mental health issue as the root cause of their behavior, we should try and solve this instead of trying to take guns away from people. The issue with that is that it's way harder and expensive to fix mental illness than to make it harder to get guns.
So while everyone pretty much agrees that the mass shootings are a huge problem that needs to be addressed, but the way to address it is where people disagree. Both views have pros and cons, and so people will fight and argue all day long, and in the meantime nothing fucking changes.
Now if I may share my personal opinion, I don't think to fix mental health is a realistic goal, I take it almost like a joke. For once you can't seriously be advocating for fixing mental health issues as a solution but on the other end block all attempts at creating universal healthcare, this is so hypocritical. You can't expect people to get help if they can't afford it in the first place. But even if they did, honestly if you look at statistical evidence in other countries, while things are certainly better, this alone doesn't fix the issue either, mental illness is very complex and there is no proven solution today to "solve" it.
But I don't really think a lot of gun advocates really believe this is realistic anyway, but they had to come up with something to counter the gun restriction argument and this was their best answer so now they all stand behind it so here we are.
My personal opinion is that if mass shootings are the price to pay for them to keep enjoying using guns recreationally, they're simply willing to pay it. And that's fine, this is a free country, and they are certainly allowed to think that, I just wish people were more honest instead of coming up with bullshit alternatives.
The irony in this is that most people you talk to would agree to stricter gun laws as surveys show close to 70% of Americans being in favor. That opposing 30% sure as shit isn't what's blocking reform, the gun lobby and financial interests are what's blocking this. So much for being a democracy.
But like I said, people are so entrenched at this point that you won't change anyone's mind, so people will keep dying while shopping or going to the movies because as things stand while everyone agrees this is a loss, it simply doesn't outweigh the profits.
.frenchynot trying to be that guy, or sound like an asshole at all but... you don't have to make a thread about every shooting. we all know america has a problem. pretty impossible to fix, this shit didn't used to happen and we had about the same amount of guns.
I disagree, nothing will happen if people don't talk about it. Saying you don't want a thread about it is like saying you don't want the news to report it because we've already heard it so many times... you know how bad that sounds?
C'mon bruh, gun enthusiasts should be the most sympathetic because they are the ones who are going to eventually lose the battle. In 40 years when people are still harping about how much they love guns, everyone is gonna be lookin at gun owners and see them as someone who is okay with more people dying so they could have a material possession, you wanna be known as that?
eheathI disagree, nothing will happen if people don't talk about it. Saying you don't want a thread about it is like saying you don't want the news to report it because we've already heard it so many times... you know how bad that sounds?
C'mon bruh, gun enthusiasts should be the most sympathetic because they are the ones who are going to eventually lose the battle. In 40 years when people are still harping about how much they love guns, everyone is gonna be lookin at gun owners and see them as someone who is okay with more people dying so they could have a material possession, you wanna be known as that?
BUT BRO! FRENCHY'S RIGHT! NOTHING CAN BE DONE WHICH IS WHY TRUMP REMOVED BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE MENTALLY ILL. ITS WHY CONGRESS PASSED BI-PARTISAN LEGISLATION FOR UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS AND MITCH MCCONNEL IS REFUSING TO ALLOW A VOTE ON IT IN THE SENATE!
NOTHING CAN BE DONE!!! WE'VE ALREADY TRIED EVERYTHING BUT COMMON SENSE GUN LEGISLATION!!!!!!!! NOTHING LEFT WE CAN DOOOOO!!!
eheathI disagree, nothing will happen if people don't talk about it. Saying you don't want a thread about it is like saying you don't want the news to report it because we've already heard it so many times... you know how bad that sounds?
C'mon bruh, gun enthusiasts should be the most sympathetic because they are the ones who are going to eventually lose the battle. In 40 years when people are still harping about how much they love guns, everyone is gonna be lookin at gun owners and see them as someone who is okay with more people dying so they could have a material possession, you wanna be known as that?
For me, its about the statistics of incidents of mass shootings over time and there is definitely another factor than guns. Almost all the guns used in mass shootings have been available since the 1950's including AK-47 and AR-15s and for most of this time they have been easier to get than now. However, random mass casualty shootings is a recent phenomenon in the last 10 or so years so there has to be some kind of social change or factor that is dehumanizing people to the point the are willing to kill as many random people as possible.
Personally, I think its social media. People have lost touch with reality and live in a constant state of craving attention and validation through this artificial world. Those who are not popular become more and more desperate for attention and to be heard until they reach a breaking point and know the exact act that will get their name and manifesto spread across every headline in America. Mass shootings are that option now because the politics surrounding it but even if we remove guns we still have the underlying issue and it will just change to the next type of "Headline grabber" like running cars into crowds or lighting buildings on fire etc.
Even if we want to change gun laws we need to have the frame of reference and acknowledge at least that guns are not some new phenomenon that society cant handle but rather society is now becoming too insane to allow for gun ownership.
Then of course there is the conspiracy standpoint that these were set up as a distraction to divert our attention form the fact that there is a room full of sealed documents that can blow the lid off a massive child sex scandal via Epstein involving many politicians, celebrities and royalty. There were news stories on MSN on Aug 3 about these- . There is a growing movement to have these unsealed and many powerful people including the Clintons could be ruined and arrested (Bill Clinton rode on Epstein's private plane 6 times and 2 without secret service). Epstein and his old girlfriend/trafficking partner are heavily involved with Mossad (His girlfriend's father was a high level Mossad agent, Robert Maxwell) and some believe the Epstein pedophile ring is actually a way for Mossad to blackmail US politicians for political gain. Not to say Mossad is directly responsible, but it is entirely possible that a foreign intelligence agency could at least have its hand in influencing or pushing troubled individuals to commit these acts, especially 2 seemingly random and independent incidents within 48 hours.
People who do this shit are evil. Small, arrogant, self-entitled, evil shitheads. It's not a mental health issue and it's not a gun issue. It's a product of these pieces of shit growing up in a society that tells them all opinions matter equally, even their own deranged view of the world. They are told day in and day out that their feelings are valid no matter what sort of seflish, ignorant, and disgusting personal spin is on them.
It's not a mental health issue because these people are not insane for the most part. They know exactly what they are doing and while the reasons are revolting and evil, they are logical. They aren't doing mass shootings because the trees told them if to, and they aren't hearing voices.
It's not a gun issue because there are more legally owned guns in this nation than there are people, and that's not even counting the illegally owned guns. Which kill more people each year than legally owned guns. If it were a gun issue, everybody would already be fukn dead. Cars kill far more innocent people each year than guns do, way more, and we all agree that cars aren't a problem. Some drunken dipshit gets behind the wheel and runs over two kids walking home from school. This happens 10 times and that's the equivalent of a mass shooting, but it's an accident. What does intent matter when the outcome is dead, innocent people?
This certainly isn't political either. For one side to blame the other is extremely shortsided and damaging because it's taking a tragedy and using it to fuel political ambitions. I'm convinced politicians are evil and enjoy when this type of shit happens because it stirs their voters up into a frenzy of hate for each each, BOTH sides.
Mass shooters are a product of a society that coddles ill-will and resentment towards others. Kids that need to be told their actions and thoughts are wrong are not being told that because it would hurt their feelings and supposedly cause further damage to the kid. I remember growing up with a kid who would routinely throw massive temper tantrums, throwing chairs, screaming, and actually hurting others sometimes. NOTHING in terms of punishment would happen to this kid because he had "anger issues". He was not challenged in any way, and was completely normal other than his anger issues. He would go down to the office until he "cooled down," and then return to class with zero repercussions (dunno how to spell that). This is exactly the type of kid that grows up and shoots up a school. I know this specific example is anecdotal, but I am a teacher now at the high school level and can assure you all this is still happening, and to a higher degree than it was before.
TL;DR It's not a gun issue, or a mental health issue, or a political issue, but a shitty kid with shitty parents in a shitty school system issue. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
SuspiciousFishFor me, its about the statistics of incidents of mass shootings over time and there is definitely another factor than guns. Almost all the guns used in mass shootings have been available since the 1950's including AK-47 and AR-15s and for most of this time they have been easier to get than now. However, random mass casualty shootings is a recent phenomenon in the last 10 or so years so there has to be some kind of social change or factor that is dehumanizing people to the point the are willing to kill as many random people as possible.
Personally, I think its social media. People have lost touch with reality and live in a constant state of craving attention and validation through this artificial world. Those who are not popular become more and more desperate for attention and to be heard until they reach a breaking point and know the exact act that will get their name and manifesto spread across every headline in America. Mass shootings are that option now because the politics surrounding it but even if we remove guns we still have the underlying issue and it will just change to the next type of "Headline grabber" like running cars into crowds or lighting buildings on fire etc.
Even if we want to change gun laws we need to have the frame of reference and acknowledge at least that guns are not some new phenomenon that society cant handle but rather society is now becoming too insane to allow for gun ownership.
Then of course there is the conspiracy standpoint that these were set up as a distraction to divert our attention form the fact that there is a room full of sealed documents that can blow the lid off a massive child sex scandal via Epstein involving many politicians, celebrities and royalty. There were news stories on MSN on Aug 3 about these- . There is a growing movement to have these unsealed and many powerful people including the Clintons could be ruined and arrested (Bill Clinton rode on Epstein's private plane 6 times and 2 without secret service). Epstein and his old girlfriend/trafficking partner are heavily involved with Mossad (His girlfriend's father was a high level Mossad agent, Robert Maxwell) and some believe the Epstein pedophile ring is actually a way for Mossad to blackmail US politicians for political gain. Not to say Mossad is directly responsible, but it is entirely possible that a foreign intelligence agency could at least have its hand in influencing or pushing troubled individuals to commit these acts, especially 2 seemingly random and independent incidents within 48 hours.
1. Mass shootings have been around for at least 20 years, columbine was in 1999. Gun violence has been around for much, much longer.
2. Social media has been around for ~ 12 years, hasn't really had a profound influence on society until ~ 6 years ago
3. We have to change with society, that's how humans have evolved throughout time, society changes and you have to adapt. Regardless of your reasonable thoughts of social media changing society (it has) it's not causing mass shootings
IDK what your 4th paragraph has to do with anything.
Another point I have for gun enthusiast is that mass shootings aren't the only issue, there is an enormous amount of gun violence in the US, this idea of possessing something of material value that causes harm to others on a daily basis is extremely selfish.
eheathC'mon bruh, gun enthusiasts should be the most sympathetic because they are the ones who are going to eventually lose the battle. In 40 years when people are still harping about how much they love guns, everyone is gonna be lookin at gun owners and see them as someone who is okay with more people dying so they could have a material possession, you wanna be known as that?
100%.
gun ownership is going up, NRA memberships are going up, and that's a great thing. guns are amazing and i take my god given right to bear arms serious. my rights will not be infringed
gun ownership is going up, NRA memberships are going up, and that's a great thing. guns are amazing and i take my god given right to bear arms serious. my rights will not be infringed
"I MAY NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT WHAT AMENDMENTS ARE, BUT I KNOW A LOT ABOUT MEMES!" - every Trump supporter.
Why do people even need assault rifles, they're no good for hunting and hand guns are fine for protection. I think it's just about gun companies making more money but these mass shootings is just the price we pay for selling assault rifles I guess.
*On one hand, we don't absolutely need guns available to the public with such a high fire rate that can kill or injure dozens of people in under a minute, after all these types of guns are designed to kill human beings, hence why our military is outfitted with the same or similar weapons, and yes taking these guns off the market can reduce the amount of people killed in these mass attacks due to efficiency. (Most of these shootings have been with guns legally purchased). And to those that ague that these guns will still be on the black market, while that's true, their prices would skyrocket, becoming too expensive for someone with a hum in their drum.
*Now on the other hand we have a constitutional right to bear arms, and responsible gun owners should be allowed to own their guns, as it's a hobby. Shooting is fun for sure, and guns are by in large well crafted pieces of machinery, and there can be a beauty found in that. On this hand, it will be the argument that it comes down to the user. With ample background checks and restrictions to who can own a gun based on mental health setbacks (hate calling them issues), legally and statistically these types of attacks would happen less. And while I agree that it sounds horrible in morality to restrict someone with a mental health disorder like ADHD or Bipolar, (I mean it's truly unfair and can feel like segregation), blind people can't legally drive or go to war because it's unsafe, and the same can be said for someone who could be bipolar or schizophrenic involving firearm ownership.
It's a fucked topic, and even though at the end of the day banning firearms would by in large stop this (look at Australia for example), American's have their right, which legally speaking an amendment could change (slavery anyone?), but I feel that with how split our country is with people on both sides like that, this problem of efficient mass shootings may not be solved for years. I know which way I would go, but it doesn't mean that I don't understand and sympathize for the other side
Monsieur_PatateNow if I may share my personal opinion, I don't think to fix mental health is a realistic goal, I take it almost like a joke. For once you can't seriously be advocating for fixing mental health issues as a solution but on the other end block all attempts at creating universal healthcare, this is so hypocritical. You can't expect people to get help if they can't afford it in the first place. But even if they did, honestly if you look at statistical evidence in other countries, while things are certainly better, this alone doesn't fix the issue either, mental illness is very complex and there is no proven solution today to "solve" it.
But I don't really think a lot of gun advocates really believe this is realistic anyway, but they had to come up with something to counter the gun restriction argument and this was their best answer so now they all stand behind it so here we are.
I respect what you're saying here, and I agree that banning firearms would no doubt fix the issue and "fixing mental health" is almost a knee slapper. I mean our lawmakers just aren't giving mental health the time of day, and you can't fix how someone's brain is wired, I mean it's also insensitive. I do believe though that those who do think the solution will involve mental health that there could be a solution on restricting those individuals on the ability to own firearms. And as I stated above, I hate the idea of restricting people who didn't choose to struggle with mental health, but again we don't leg blind people drive and so on. I'd be interested in what you think about this idea?
TnskiWhy do people even need assault rifles, they're no good for hunting and hand guns are fine for protection. I think it's just about gun companies making more money but these mass shootings is just the price we pay for selling assault rifles I guess.
Please realize that assault rifles have been used in exactly zero recent mass shootings. The ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, classifies an assault rifle as a weapon capable of fully-automatic fire.
The semi-automatic sporting rifles that the media has now falsely renamed assault rifles are functionally no different at all than what the average 14 year old uses to go squirrel hunting.
TnskiWhy do people even need assault rifles, they're no good for hunting and hand guns are fine for protection. I think it's just about gun companies making more money but these mass shootings is just the price we pay for selling assault rifles I guess.
for sport, for hunting, for self defense- against anybody from a group of robbers to a tyranical government (most important)
AR10s are the best for hunting. Deer, boar, coyotes, and pretty much any big game.
.frenchyfor sport, for hunting, for self defense- against anybody from a group of robbers to a tyranical government (most important)
AR10s are the best for hunting. Deer, boar, coyotes, and pretty much any big game.
That is the thing about guns and security. The US has been fairly stable politically and economically since WWII but our economy and supply chain are both more fragile than ever. It does not take much to put a town or a community into a situation from a natural disaster, infrastructure hack etc where an AR-15 will become an invaluable asset to defend your family. Also for the record, Semi-Auto rifles only account for 3% of gun deaths, the vast majority being handguns. The danger of Semi-Auto rifles is almost exclusively to this recent phenomenon of public mass shootings.
SuspiciousFishThat is the thing about guns and security. The US has been fairly stable politically and economically since WWII but our economy and supply chain are both more fragile than ever. It does not take much to put a town or a community into a situation from a natural disaster, infrastructure hack etc where an AR-15 will become an invaluable asset to defend your family. Also for the record, Semi-Auto rifles only account for 3% of gun deaths, the vast majority being handguns. The danger of Semi-Auto rifles is almost exclusively to this recent phenomenon of public mass shootings.
yeah i feel you. i guess i wasn't specifically talking about the united states but i mean having the same type of weapon that most armed forces and alphabet bois use isnt a bad thing... once they start taking away your 2A you never know what could be next homie
.frenchyyeah i feel you. i guess i wasn't specifically talking about the united states but i mean having the same type of weapon that most armed forces and alphabet bois use isnt a bad thing... once they start taking away your 2A you never know what could be next homie
"I can't yell fire in a theater, they're taking away your 1A homie, never know what's next. I can't be a convicted felon and own a firearm, taking away my 2A homie, don't know what's next."
I don't know jack about guns but looks like as many people die in car accidents every year as die by guns every year in usa, 38kish each. Seems like the guns get the worse publicity,
Start shooting back. Get educated, learn to shoot, carry a gun, shoot back. We are returning to the days of the wild west. Cant beat them, join them in their own game.
oldmanskiStart shooting back. Get educated, learn to shoot, carry a gun, shoot back. We are returning to the days of the wild west. Cant beat them, join them in their own game.
That = court and I avoid court at all costs, i hate even being near a court room, that's just me.
HangryI respect what you're saying here, and I agree that banning firearms would no doubt fix the issue and "fixing mental health" is almost a knee slapper. I mean our lawmakers just aren't giving mental health the time of day, and you can't fix how someone's brain is wired, I mean it's also insensitive. I do believe though that those who do think the solution will involve mental health that there could be a solution on restricting those individuals on the ability to own firearms. And as I stated above, I hate the idea of restricting people who didn't choose to struggle with mental health, but again we don't leg blind people drive and so on. I'd be interested in what you think about this idea?
I think that while the idea seems fine on paper, it is not very realistic because of the fact that some of these mental conditions are very hard to even diagnose, not as easy as spotting someone with a missing leg or have someone read letters off the wall to test their eyes.
Then it also ties back to a second issue: while mass shootings get all the media coverage, there is another huge problem linked to higher gun ownership and this problem is homicides, the homicide rate in the US is off the fucking charts. Given the right conditions, absolutely everyone can murder, and having a gun readily available makes it immensely easier for someone losing it to kill someone else.
Comparing guns to automobiles is also a bad comparison, car's main purpose is to transport food, clothes, people and pretty much everything humans need, significantly increasing the quality of life. Even not considering that cars "kill" because of accidents while guns kill because of malicious intent, having cars available to the public bring much more to the table than guns.
No I get you, and to clear the table what I mentioned about driving was just an example on safety limitations, even if cars are dangerous they aren’t manufactured to kill human beings as assault weapons are. It would be close to impossible in realty to catch every single mentally troubled individual when some disabilities like ADHD go unrecognized until even people’s late 30’s. That being said, I’d argue that putting something like that in place could at least reduce the amount of these weapons spread to people with disabilities, even if it isn’t everyone. I’d like to think it’s more possible than guns being banned, as unless our government was to make a bureaucratic move and ban guns without vote, American citizens are too at odds to ever get guns banned. Here’s to hope a solution comes for these shootings soon, whether it’s through government interference or citizens coming together🤞🏻
oldmanskiStart shooting back. Get educated, learn to shoot, carry a gun, shoot back. We are returning to the days of the wild west. Cant beat them, join them in their own game.
thank you man. you're one of the wiser members on here now and it's nice to see a comment like this.
GO GET YOUR CONCEALED CARRY EVERYONE. it doesnt hurt, i promise you.
TnskiI don't know jack about guns but looks like as many people die in car accidents every year as die by guns every year in usa, 38kish each. Seems like the guns get the worse publicity,
2/3 of those deaths are by suicide and of the other 12,000 many are inner city gang violence. It is very difficult to go into further detail without getting called a racist but its an important statistic and has more to do with our policies and history of racism instead of saying certain races are just violent etc. Here is the breakdown for gun homicides:
(Per 100,000 people)
Whites: 1.5
Blacks: 16.7
Hispanic: 3.5
Asian: 1.1
Here are some homicide per 100,000 numbers for other countries:
UK: 1.2
France: 1.3
Argentina: 5.5
South Sudan: 13.9
Puerto Rico: 18.5
Mexico: 24.8
So to really have a discussion on reducing gun violence, we need to focus on the cause of the majority of the violence and that is our inner city impoverished communities with little economic to no opportunity. Blacks are by far the highest in this case, not because they are inherently more violent, but as a result of a long history of racism and repression that has only really let up in the last few decades after the civil rights movement. (But in many cases exists to this day) If you look at Chicago, the capital of gun violence, you see that 60% of gun deaths are gang related, 60% are perpetuated by ages 17 to 25 and 90% of the victims were male. At the same time, Illinois has an incredibly lenient policy on illegal gun possession sentencing with many arrests getting only 1 year and often serve only 6 months. That means that a gang banger caught with an illegal semi-auto handgun can get right back on the streets in 6 months.
To really reduce where the 'gun violence' is coming from, we need to actually take a proactive stance on helping build local communities and local economies and finding ways to reduce gang membership and reconcile/end gang wars instead of throwing out welfare and pretending the problem doesnt exist like so many of our politicians do today. This is what angers me about our Liberal politicians who rave against the NRA and to stop gun violence and at the same time turn their backs and let their own urban communities rot and cause a majority of the statistics they use to try to take guns away from responsible gun owners.
Real shit though, mental health is really really fucked up in the USA. If we try some retarded gun control shit, people are just gonna keep dying. Of course addressing the mental health problems means confronting the Big Pharma bastards, which no politician seems to want to do.
This thread is already mega heated and I didn't read a single comment. I almost made a thread Sunday but didn't. I'm a Democrat. I despise Trump. I own guns and I live in Ohio, one of the most free gun states there are. Can we all just agree that the media sensationalizing these stories has to stop. Literally 70% of all the news stories for the next week are gonna be about shootings and gun control and about these shooters lives and the victims and anything else they can sell. I took a few journalism classes in school and the first thing we learned was: people love crime and death. Shit sells like wildfire. And really it does tbh. They don't care about your emotions or well being , unless it is making then money. 250+ mass shootings in a year...my ass that's some bs stat....sure the number fits if we are including the gangbangers that everyone previously cared nothing about until it best suits their political needs.
But this nonstop pandering of these stories only serves to motivate, educate, and incite future killers. Ever notice the uptick in shootings or increase in people planning and getting caught soon after shootings are displayed all over national TV for days nonstop? There's been research to support this causality I've noticed. I'm sure some of you have noticed it too. It needs to stop. And it needs to stop now.
Mental health needs addressed. Gun access could be better sometimes but other times it's just some crazy fuck that everyone ignored. Ffs half these shooters had hit lists in the past like wtf and no one cared they owned weapons???
But no one will ever talk about the elephant in the room that is the blitzkrieg of gun violence news.
Y'all can continue to argue about guns or no guns, processes and procedures, this president or that. I'm out. Got ski season to get ready for.
As a gun owner I’m not fully against gun/magazine restrictions even when 3 of my 5 firearms have magazines at or above the legal limit at my local state level (20 rounds). But I doubt they would have any more effectiveness than some alternatives. Alternatives such as harsher punishment, and taking away media coverage that glorifies the shooter. Obviously news is something we need, but it’s sickening how much glory the media gives these shooters. We don’t often see the faces, names, stories of the victims especially compared to the shooter. It’s sickening. I’ve tried (and been pretty successful) at not learning shooters faces or names, but that’s just me. They absolutely get the limelight they were going for. The media and ratings thrives off it—ever seen "Nightcrawlers” ?
Yes, “assault rifles” only account for 3% of shootings. Suicide and gang related homicide make up for the vast majority, but it’s this 3% that hits home with “white america”. Banning larger capacity magazines semi-auto rifles may cut down on total body count in shootings, but the shootings will continue regardless.
In this day of age, a 30 round magazine is no match for a drone. If I was serious about my home defense, I’d go for a 12 gauge or handgun. My .223 is about as useless to me as a paper weight, but other actions should be taken first if we’re going to ban these guns there needs to be compromise.
We NEED to start teaching people the value of life , and HOW TO DEAL WITH THEIR EMOTIONS . people bitch about ohhh school doesn't show us how to do adult stuff bla bla.... And while that may be true .. no school . None . I have heard of none . Maybe specific classes in specific degrees at college level. But nowhere do I see people being taught anything about dealing with their sensitivity . Why in the hell is this the only country where this is regular? Well tell me why in the hell is this the only country where it seems the disconnect between true family culture and morality taught through the family, has disappeared .
These people who shoot up places ... Are dealing with extreme darkness in an extreme dark way . They somehow got to the point where it made sense to shoot up a place.... Maybe if their society encouraged figuring out why you feel a certain way and NOT just being a creature of IMPULSE , things would look different.
Sorry stupid double post. I only bother with my news from CNBC/Fox Business, local news or BBC, but I just turned on CNN since I hardly even heard of this shooting until coming on NS but here’s CNN’s headline
“shootings reignite debate on combating white supremacy”.
FFS. Poster above my last post had it right also, our news media is the biggest propogator of this shit
midwesternmaniacWhy in the hell is this the only country where this is regular? Well tell me why in the hell is this the only country where it seems the disconnect between true family culture and morality taught through the family, has disappeared .
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Sources for your bullshit claim, please.
This is the difference between those who want common sense gun control and those who don't. Those who don't support common sense gun control measures use zero logic in their reasoning because you're all fucking morons.
theLiquorSorry stupid double post. I only bother with my news from CNBC/Fox Business, local news or BBC, but I just turned on CNN since I hardly even heard of this shooting until coming on NS but here’s CNN’s headline
“shootings reignite debate on combating white supremacy”.
FFS. Poster above my last post had it right also, our news media is the biggest propogator of this shit
Just FYI there’s a decent chance your local news is actually owned by Sinclair Broadcasting, which is a megacorp that tries to capitalize on more or less the same things as other 24/7 news networks but with a sprinkle of local things to make it feel more relatable.
TnskiThat = court and I avoid court at all costs, i hate even being near a court room, that's just me.
I do understand but I would rather stand up, fight back and risk my life own life to save others from the cowards that have to go into a public place and open up fire on innocent women and children(and yes, the guys too). I know I would go through a world of chaos if I lived through it but I sure as hell would sleep better at night knowing I stood up.
Young_IPMCJust FYI there’s a decent chance your local news is actually owned by Sinclair Broadcasting, which is a megacorp that tries to capitalize on more or less the same things as other 24/7 news networks but with a sprinkle of local things to make it feel more relatable.
Yea but as in local news I mean news about road construction, traffic, weather, news stories about avalanches and puppies n stuff...
oldmanskiI do understand but I would rather stand up, fight back and risk my life own life to save others from the cowards that have to go into a public place and open up fire on innocent women and children(and yes, the guys too). I know I would go through a world of chaos if I lived through it but I sure as hell would sleep better at night knowing I stood up.
Says the privileged boy who has never faced anything remotely similar to a mass shooter in his life.
oldmanskiI do understand but I would rather stand up, fight back and risk my life own life to save others from the cowards that have to go into a public place and open up fire on innocent women and children(and yes, the guys too). I know I would go through a world of chaos if I lived through it but I sure as hell would sleep better at night knowing I stood up.
You can survey people and you'll find that pretty much everyone would say the exact same thing you're saying, but the reality is that when you're actually facing death things are very different and you have no idea how you will react and what you will do.
I'm not saying you wouldn't be the hero you're describing, I'm just saying I don't know, and you don't either.
oldmanskiSays the privileged boy that sits behind a computer and doesn’t know how to ski
**This post was edited on Aug 6th 2019 at 7:36:22pm
Yeah, I'm not the pretend hard ass who says he'll run into a mass shooting situation like Trump once claimed he would do. You're fucking pathetic just like captain bone spurs who can't even handle a fucking bird.
Monsieur_PatateYou can survey people and you'll find that pretty much everyone would say the exact same thing you're saying, but the reality is that when you're actually facing death things are very different and you have no idea how you will react and what you will do.
I'm not saying you wouldn't be the hero you're describing, I'm just saying I don't know, and you don't either.
I completely agree, every situation is different and there is no telling exactly what myself or anyone else will do in a situation like a shooting. I’m just saying, educate yourself on gun handling, get use to shooting a gun, be in control of you and be halfway prepared for someone coming at you. It’s horrible things are getting this way in the states but luck favors the prepared.
skiermanYeah, I'm not the pretend hard ass who says he'll run into a mass shooting situation like Trump once claimed he would do. You're fucking pathetic just like captain bone spurs who can't even handle a fucking bird.