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Anybody else disgusted by the “i could ski park if i wanted to” bc tools in their 30s?
You're not wrong. But I wouldn't bitch about it like that. Disgusted? No, but kinda amused. We are in a developing era of mediocre riders going on bc adventures thinking that's the pinnacle of the ski experience when they are just joeys in nice gear skiing mostly mellow terrain.
I do think its funny when my ski buds get down from riding rad big mtn terrain dropping cliffs and whatever, but then they get back inbounds and go around the park at the bottom like it scares them.
As an old guy (32) park bores me for the most part. It's the same robotic bullshit on any mountain. Jibbing on natural features, side hits and techy butter tricks are a lot more fun and steezy looking than hitting rails and throwing canned spins and grabs off kickers.
**This post was edited on Dec 30th 2017 at 11:05:47pm
Bataleon85As an old guy (32) park bores me for the most part. It's the same robotic bullshit on any mountain. Jibbing on natural features, side hits and techy butter tricks are a lot more fun and steezy looking than hitting rails and throwing canned spins and grabs off kickers.
**This post was edited on Dec 30th 2017 at 11:05:47pm
Compared to snowboarding yeah but the same logic applies for either. Everything these days is about a "prescribed" way to ski/ride. True freestyle is a dying art. Everybody thinks freestyle is just grinding rails and throwing corks. I respect the athleticism involved, but it just gets old. It actually takes a lot more focus and body control to do really steezy butter tricks than people realize. It's an underrated style.
when you get older you will realize riding park is really hard on your body, risk/reward assessment changes as do the repercussions of mistakes.
if i could i would take a nice pow day over park everytime but i also grew up in the midwest and currently ski at bear mountain so i probably have slid enough rails in my life, even though i still do ride park.
I'm 33 and I still ski a lot of park but thats mostly because I still ski a whole lot. Most of my friends that use to ski park all the time now only get out few times a year. Instead of spending the day dusting off their park skiing they spend it getting some pow turns in.
AuzyButter tricks are an underrated style?? Dude what rock are you living under?
Maybe it's just a regional thing for me, but everywhere I go it's just the same old rail and box kids day in day out. I rarely see people who can butter, euro and natty jib like me. But again, I have a janky style. I don't follow the rule book on what freestyle is supposed to be these days.
Bataleon85Maybe it's just a regional thing for me, but everywhere I go it's just the same old rail and box kids day in day out. I rarely see people who can butter, euro and natty jib like me. But again, I have a janky style. I don't follow the rule book on what freestyle is supposed to be these days.
You natty jib man? Wow I hope I can learn that some day
Bataleon85Maybe it's just a regional thing for me, but everywhere I go it's just the same old rail and box kids day in day out. I rarely see people who can butter, euro and natty jib like me. But again, I have a janky style. I don't follow the rule book on what freestyle is supposed to be these days.
Bataleon85Maybe it's just a regional thing for me, but everywhere I go it's just the same old rail and box kids day in day out. I rarely see people who can butter, euro and natty jib like me. But again, I have a janky style. I don't follow the rule book on what freestyle is supposed to be these days.
Maybe I've been living under a rock, but who calls hips and rollers outside of the park natty jibbing?
Bataleon85Compared to snowboarding yeah but the same logic applies for either. Everything these days is about a "prescribed" way to ski/ride. True freestyle is a dying art. Everybody thinks freestyle is just grinding rails and throwing corks. I respect the athleticism involved, but it just gets old. It actually takes a lot more focus and body control to do really steezy butter tricks than people realize. It's an underrated style.
I'm sorry, I was wrong. You don't suck at skiing but rather you were beat in the head with a heavy stone causing severe idiocy. My bad, home dawg BC slice yung blood.
Im 33 now...don't want to ride park anymore but I could if i felt like hotlapping with a bunch of young bros who think they are the shit and know how to ski, talking shit all day long...guess im disgusting. But for real...dont hate because we enjoy sending our rotations into nice fluffy snow now...you will get it when you are older
JohnJonszYou're not wrong. But I wouldn't bitch about it like that. Disgusted? No, but kinda amused. We are in a developing era of mediocre riders going on bc adventures thinking that's the pinnacle of the ski experience when they are just joeys in nice gear skiing mostly mellow terrain.
I do think its funny when my ski buds get down from riding rad big mtn terrain dropping cliffs and whatever, but then they get back inbounds and go around the park at the bottom like it scares them.
i don't know, man. this is a massive over-generalization.
avalanche terrain is a different thrill. you are entering terrain that can kill you in the blink of an eye. you are left to your own devices; skills, knowledge, decision making, etc. it makes those turns all the more exhilarating knowing that you planned & executed your bc trip to perfection... and you're alive when you get to the bottom.
that is hardly different from park-skiing. the methods are different but the end result is the same, hopefully.
Ill be 32 at the end of the month and I still ride street and park as much as I can. It’s true though, falling does do more damage now. I caught an edge on a baby tube at the beginning of the season and broke my ribs. 5 years ago I wouldn’t have felt a thing. Stay youthful my friends.
Also... Tanner Hall is 34 and landed his first dub cork on a park booter, there’s always time to learn new things as long as you go about it the right way and with the right mind set.
Calm down young one. No need to be disgusted or outraged. As a 38 year old former park rat turned BC bro you need to check yourself. I'll give you that there are ton of front range bros that get the AT setup and are instant "mountain guides" yet for every one of them there is a kid that just got his first set of twins, got him some FT's and is a full on jibber. Both are full of shit. The ski community is full of it. From how big the cliff or rail was to how deep the pow was.... Dude should have been there. You suck, I'm radder that you.
Here are some facts for you. At 38 I've had 6 knee surgeries, broken more bones than I care to count and now have a job and family. I get hurt, I'm out of work. I get hurt, it hurts. I have learned I no longer bounce... I splat. It happens to us all young one. I still hit a few rails and send it when the feelings right, I love lapping the pipe and enjoy sliding on white stuff. Any white stuff. So I'm a tool... You're a tool, we're all tools. We are sliding on frozen shit with sticks stuck to our feet. So calm down and enjoy the ride.
I'm a freeskier approaching 30, w/ 100+ days a season for the past 4 years. More than half of that is in the SC/BC, and I'd say less than 15% total of my riding is in the park nowadays. I thought it was because my preferences changed as I grew up, from park to pow, but now I see that its because I lack coordination and natural strength. Thanks Dr. Phil, I mean... OP.
When I started freeskiing it meant zipperlines through bumps w/ fatty mute grabs. Then (IMO) the golden era of freeskiing came about (early 2000's) as I hit my teen years and started competing in Slopestyle events. These are the "good old NS times" you keep bitching about bringing back, but have never actually experienced. Growing up in PA met competing with the likes of Sean Jordan and Tom Wallisch, and a handful of lesser known (but equally as good at the time) Pennsyltucky local boys. In fact, I'd say I've been hitting jumps, spinning onto rails, and acquiring afterbang points since OP was shitting green in his diaper.
I may not spend the majority of my time in the parks anymore, but I do enjoy occasionally taking park laps with the new-newschoolers, even more so when its early season. My slopestyle progression, especially on rails, has been pretty static for the last 7 years or so, but I still have no problem spinning 2 on, blind 2 off, sw/ unnatural slides, etc. Ya know, the foundational tricks I'm sure OP still has yet to master w/ style.
However, my progression in the BC has increased exponentially every year since I started venturing off the beaten path. I'm sending (and spinning) bigger jumps (into orgasmic pow landings), jibbing natty features like tree taps and fun little hips, and when I do head back into a perfectly built park, it feels like I'm even more dialed after hitting less-than-perfect BC shit. Not to mention my progression in a sense that just getting out to some of these zones, and staying safe, requires a very specific skill set/knowledge.
Over the summer I spent a weekend manicuring a run-in, building a take off, and clearing a landing for a ≈40' stepdown in the San Juan BC. I haven't hit it yet, but my plan is to throw down a classy backie. It's supposed to be members only but if OP wants to come out and hit it with me first day its good to go, he's more than welcome?! I bet he will really have that "disgusting" feeling deep down inside once he walks up to the lip and scopes the landing. The jury is still out on whether or not he will "grow the balls to send the rotation" after seeing what its really like out there.
BenWhiti don't know, man. this is a massive over-generalization.
avalanche terrain is a different thrill. you are entering terrain that can kill you in the blink of an eye. you are left to your own devices; skills, knowledge, decision making, etc. it makes those turns all the more exhilarating knowing that you planned & executed your bc trip to perfection... and you're alive when you get to the bottom.
that is hardly different from park-skiing. the methods are different but the end result is the same, hopefully.
Not sure how to repond to this so here’s some photos of what we’re skiing in jackson the last few days
Today however I was all inbounds doing all the fun hits in and out of the park. Good times w friends who are better at tricks and push me. When I’m progressing on jibs I get the fuckyea happy accomplished feeling at the bottom. But it’s not the same thrill at all as what I’m chasing on OB missions...Not close to the adrenaline and endorphins rush I’m feeling while taking pic number four watching my buddy hit that same air mid puckerface
JohnJonszNot sure how to repond to this so here’s some photos of what we’re skiing in jackson the last few days.
Today however I was all inbounds doing all the fun hits in and out of the park. Good times w friends who are better at tricks and push me. When I’m progressing on jibs I get the fuckyea happy accomplished feeling at the bottom. But it’s not the same thrill at all as what I’m chasing on OB missions...Not close to the adrenaline and endorphins rush I’m feeling while taking pic number four watching my buddy hit that same air mid puckerface
right, ok. I think you and I are in agreement, then. maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say in your first comment.
NSdiedWOdlnLike honestly just say you dont have the balls to send a rotation. Dont pretend like you have the coordination and natural strength, when you dont.
I think you need some more salt yung 'un? You're not salty enough.
For every douchebag mec’er decked out in dps carbon skis and gortex down to their thong there’s a douchebag “new wave” kid who swerves around every lip because they can’t actually do any basic tricks. They think doubles and triples are lame but can’t cork 5. Skiing is literally just skiing, if the way someone else does it annoys you you’re doing it wrong. (Expections include: those who stand on knuckles, those who cut you off on cat track side hits and slow patrol cunts)
I'm turning 30 in a month from today. I love me some touring and some sick pow days in bounds going full send, but I was also second to drop in on my local parks opening day with hip-takeoff 5s, backflips, and rodeos that I learned at 28. Us old guys have the coordination and old-man strength that will out match your soft and so-called "natural strength".
30 isn't that old to be skiing park. tophaloph, delorme, candide, tanner, wesson, parry, walisch, hornbeck, spriggs, to name a few of the top of my head...
Im 30 and keeping up with the times. It took a lot of practice and training to physically be able to huck, crash, and try again. One thing that is for sure; it takes a lot longer to recover from an intense session.
Some people start skiing late or find the passion for freeride later in their lives. Maybe if they were exposed to it earlier, they could have been good. But wadda, couldda, shoudda, whateva.
Noddard30 isn't that old to be skiing park. tophaloph, delorme, candide, tanner, wesson, parry, walisch, hornbeck, spriggs, to name a few of the top of my head...
you cannot compare a professional athlete to an everyday skier. they train to be in peak shape.
I don't think ive ever heard an older dude who skis only big mountain claim to be able to ski park. They just don't want to, so they don't care about park rat skills and aren't that impressed. It's like me watching ski ballet. Could I do it well? Fuck no. Do i want to? Not really. Do i enjoy and glorify their talent? Not really. If anything I hear more dumbass east coast park rats think that because they can sort of ski 30 degree moguls and hit jumps that they could step up to free ride world tour lines.
OP this thread reeks of you wanting approval from people older than you, it's kinda sad.
i mean, having exposure to a high level of skier for a long period of time is conducive to continuing to ski at a high level at an older age. you body is adaptable and resilient. i don't think that's a stretch to say.
snowpocalypseWhat??? Are us old guys stereotyping? God forbid. Just like every 30 something skier isn't a "BC Tool" Works both ways whippersnapper.
Stay off my lawn.......
i don't get your point. your everyday skier will be exposed to much higher risk stepping into the park than someone that has been skiing at a high level well into their late 20s and early 30s. the simple adaptations of skiing at a high level create some degree of resistance to injury.
Park skiing has zero relationship to real skiing. Yes many park riders canrip outside of it...at the same time so many kids who talk shit SUCK at actual skiing. Until you can master a proper technique race turn I don't consider someone really a "good skier". You can be a good aerialist but in terms of skiing its just bs.
BenWhiti don't get your point. your everyday skier will be exposed to much higher risk stepping into the park than someone that has been skiing at a high level well into their late 20s and early 30s. the simple adaptations of skiing at a high level create some degree of resistance to injury.
How old are you? I'm turning 30 this year and ski with a lot of guys nearing 30 or are already 30. I also have worked at windells and work at MHSSC and coach freeskiing. A lot of these guys don't even touch the gym. Skiing park is a dedication and I know guys who didn't ski park until there 40's. The topic is about 30 year olds who don't ski park acting like it's not a big deal, and it is a big deal. My point is that 30 isn't even that old, and it's not. The real point here is that people who don't ski park and never touch it, aren't good enough and they are scared to get hurt. Not that age isn't a factor, because it is. But it's more of a mindset and what you are willing to sacrifice to be good at park. For me it's a lifestyle and my age isn't a factor at nearly 30 years old.
NoddardHow old are you? I'm turning 30 this year and ski with a lot of guys nearing 30 or are already 30. I also have worked at windells and work at MHSSC and coach freeskiing. A lot of these guys don't even touch the gym. Skiing park is a dedication and I know guys who didn't ski park until there 40's. The topic is about 30 year olds who don't ski park acting like it's not a big deal, and it is a big deal. My point is that 30 isn't even that old, and it's not. The real point here is that people who don't ski park and never touch it, aren't good enough and they are scared to get hurt. Not that age isn't a factor, because it is. But it's more of a mindset and what you are willing to sacrifice to be good at park. For me it's a lifestyle and my age isn't a factor at nearly 30 years old.
I never said you can't be 30+ and ski park. I said that you cannot say that "sure, you can ski park because so and so professional skier is now in his 30s and still skis park." Yeah, skiers aren't the pinnacle of physical fitness, but if you do something at a high level for a decade or two you have created physiological adaptations in your body that someone just starting out in the same discipline hasn't. That's not rocket science. That also doesn't mean that you can't learn to slide a rail at 30+, 40+ years old. But since you haven't been doing that for very long, the likelihood of you getting injured increases more so than it would if you were in your late teens, early twenties.
Since you asked, I'm 25. I still ski in the park but not with much frequency. With work and just general life expenses I can get in 15-20 days a year and half of those are spent out west trying to ski bigger, badder terrain than I can find on the easy. For you, it's a mindset and lifestyle, but you also readily admitted that you have been doing it for a long time at a level higher than most. You've learned to crash. You've built resilience through repetitions. Those are my only points, not that you need to be a highly trained athlete in the gym to ski in the park. You absolutely do not.