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AT-ATLet me put a wrench in this. Why is government involved in marriage at all?
Because most of the time the girl is legally changing her last name, and back in the day it used to be a huge deal when a man and a woman started living together. Now it hardly means anything.
mirozWhy should the government care who is getting married?
Better question. Why would anyone care about anyone else's marriage or sex life except their own? Who cares if the guys down the street lick each others assholes..? Are they coming up to your asshole and licking it? If not, then who cares.
People are way way way too scared of gays for some reason and I find it downright hilarious.
anyway... so that whole politics thing. I'm just wondering if this Tea Party republican congress even knows how to lead a congress in the first place - so far for the last decade or so they've just been the punkass in the back of the room shooting spitballs at the kids in front. Now that they've been called to the board, I guess we'll see if they can even do anything positive, or if they're just going to keep trying to fuck with Obamacare.
DingoSeanBetter question. Why would anyone care about anyone else's marriage or sex life except their own? Who cares if the guys down the street lick each others assholes..? Are they coming up to your asshole and licking it? If not, then who cares.
People are way way way too scared of gays for some reason and I find it downright hilarious.
anyway... so that whole politics thing. I'm just wondering if this Tea Party republican congress even knows how to lead a congress in the first place - so far for the last decade or so they've just been the punkass in the back of the room shooting spitballs at the kids in front. Now that they've been called to the board, I guess we'll see if they can even do anything positive, or if they're just going to keep trying to fuck with Obamacare.
Why should government have to okay "guys licking each others assholes"?
DingoSeanWhy would anyone care about anyone else's marriage or sex life except their own? Who cares if the guys down the street lick each others assholes..? Are they coming up to your asshole and licking it? If not, then who cares.
That argument never works. If you can apply that argument to gay marriage you should be able to apply it to anything.
Why would anyone care about someone else's sexual abuse? Who cares if the guys down the street sexually abuse people..? Are they coming up to you and sexually abusing you? If not, then who cares.
You will say that one of those is right and one of those is wrong, but what do you even base your morality off of..? Laws? Do you really trust the government that much?
ScaredwhiteboyThe issue at hand is not that gays have a union of some sort with each other. If they want to put rings on their fingers and announce to the world that they lick each other's assholes, they can. However, the relationship they have is not marriage because marriage is the union of one man and one woman.
I said this last page but here's an info graphic to let it sink in:
BombogenesisLooks like there are some SICK sources when you google "interstate crosscheck", by the way. LOL
And yet how many of those main stream news sources you desperately rely on actually got a hold of the lists to physically check that they only purged voters based on their first and last name matching despite middle names, surnames, social security numbers, etc. don't match? What about the fact that a majority of the people targeted were minorities or that under this list NO ONE has been convicted of voter fraud?
With this kind of ignorance floating around and widely supported by the children of well-off families, it doesn't surprise me how the world views our country as full of incompetent morons.
Huck_NorrisI want to know what the hardline republicans think about how the republican agenda has negatively affected Kansas- the most complete modern showing of what republicans are touting as 'the future of prosperity and policy in America'. Anyone with the least bit of understanding or even awareness of these practices being put in place and the disastrous circumstances they've created should be able to see they're not good for anyone! Kansas just got fucked to the tune of billions on top of billions and nobody is talking about it. Why?? If this policy was enacted on a National scale, it would push us straight into a depression of epic proportions- and through no fault of industry or bubble- but of paid bribes from captains of industry who would benefit directly from labor laws akin to that of the turn of the 19th century.
So seriously, I want to know- how do you feel about backing the Libertarian agenda from the early 80s rehashed as a nationalistic xenophobia campaign and laying it out as a valid stance for those who can't be bothered to understand the most basic premises of economics or policy? That's literally exactly what the modern Republican agenda is and it's fucking embarrassing. So tell me- what is it about Kansas- or any of their agendas really- that makes you think this will work on a national level? I want to know.
Also, Republican-loyal NSers, why haven't you addressed this post yet? Is it because its based on logic and reasoning? Or is it because whenever trickle-down economics and less government funding in the form of cuts towards education and other public service efforts is introduced it has time and time again proven to be fucking idiotic? Is it too hard of a truth to face because you're too blinded by your party's color or are you really this ignorant to the world around you? I think its a combo of both.
.frenchyYeah, I know its a bad example, but that's just showing town by town which is republican or democrat, that's alot of red towns... You can always expect a large city to vote Democrat. Small town, hardworking people will most likely vote republicans, and the food stamp lovin city thugs will continue to vote blue #tru
This is so ignorant its absurd. I grew up in Oakland CA and the people who rely on food stamps are some of the most hard working people I know. So stop making shitty generalizations and be open mind. The democratic system is flawed because people like you follow the corporate agenda and worship the racism coming from fox news.
milk_manThat argument never works. If you can apply that argument to gay marriage you should be able to apply it to anything.
Why would anyone care about someone else's sexual abuse? Who cares if the guys down the street sexually abuse people..? Are they coming up to you and sexually abusing you? If not, then who cares.
because sexual abuse is taking away someone else's rights. And furthermore, the offender might continue and abuse more people
whereas if the gay couple down the block get married, it literally has no impact on your life or your rights. You have not been deprived nor robbed of anything. And similarly, the gay couple is not going to suddenly start coming down the street, forcing everyone else into an unwilling gay marriage.
Unlike a sexual offender, no gay person will ever drag you down a dark alleyway and marry you.
fujaromebecause sexual abuse is taking away someone else's rights. And furthermore, the offender might continue and abuse more people
whereas if the gay couple down the block get married, it literally has no impact on your life or your rights. You have not been deprived nor robbed of anything. And similarly, the gay couple is not going to suddenly start coming down the street, forcing everyone else into an unwilling gay marriage.
Unlike a sexual offender, no gay person will ever drag you down a dark alleyway and marry you.
Fair argument. But where does one gain the moral knowledge to know that gay marriage is morally correct and sexual abuse is morally wrong?
mirozSays who? A book? A group of people who believe something? What if a different group of people who believes something else says otherwise? Why is one right and one wrong?
commence derail.
Says me. That's how I define marriage, and it's how I think the government should define marriage.
Marriage is supposed to be a sacred, inviolable union. When you let people who are no more than good friends with sick pleasures call their relationship "marriage" you devalue the union of everybody else.
ScaredwhiteboySays me. That's how I define marriage, and it's how I think the government should define marriage.
Marriage is supposed to be a sacred, inviolable union. When you let people who are no more than good friends with sick pleasures call their relationship "marriage" you devalue the union of everybody else.
Says you? Ha! No one gives a fuck what you say. The fact of the matter is that you like what you've been given and don't want other people to have it. You're entitled to your opinion but when it comes down to it you're doing no more than dictating what people can and can't do, and that's not how civil rights work. What you're proposing is not fair and certainly not representative of a conservative government.
mirozSays you? Ha! No one gives a fuck what you say. The fact of the matter is that you like what you've been given and don't want other people to have it. You're entitled to your opinion but when it comes down to it you're doing no more than dictating what people can and can't do, and that's not how civil rights work. What you're proposing is not fair and certainly not representative of a conservative government.
No, I like what I've been given, and I don't want other people to ruin it. Don't pretend like this is a civil right's issue. Gays can still gargle each other's cum as much as they want. To have the government call your relationship with your fuck buddy "marriage" is the furthest thing imaginable from a civil right. Saying you have a civil right to have the government recognize your marriage is like saying you have a civil right for the government to recognize that you have a big penis. It's absolutely asinine.
I have no problem with the government giving gays exactly equal rights as normal people (which they currently do). However, calling the relationship between them marriage when they're really just severely perverted best friends is an insult to every loving normal couple.
ScaredwhiteboyNo, I like what I've been given, and I don't want other people to ruin it. Don't pretend like this is a civil right's issue. Gays can still gargle each other's cum as much as they want. To have the government call your relationship with your fuck buddy "marriage" is the furthest thing imaginable from a civil right. Saying you have a civil right to have the government recognize your marriage is like saying you have a civil right for the government to recognize that you have a big penis. It's absolutely asinine.
I have no problem with the government giving gays exactly equal rights as normal people (which they currently do). However, calling the relationship between them marriage when they're really just severely perverted best friends is an insult to every loving normal couple.
So your mom bought you a cool toy, but you're telling me I can't have one because if I have one, it ruins it for you?
milk_manBecause most of the time the girl is legally changing her last name, and back in the day it used to be a huge deal when a man and a woman started living together. Now it hardly means anything.
ScaredwhiteboyNo, I like what I've been given, and I don't want other people to ruin it. Don't pretend like this is a civil right's issue. Gays can still gargle each other's cum as much as they want. To have the government call your relationship with your fuck buddy "marriage" is the furthest thing imaginable from a civil right. Saying you have a civil right to have the government recognize your marriage is like saying you have a civil right for the government to recognize that you have a big penis. It's absolutely asinine.
I have no problem with the government giving gays exactly equal rights as normal people (which they currently do). However, calling the relationship between them marriage when they're really just severely perverted best friends is an insult to every loving normal couple.
Here's the problem with that, there was a gay couple and one of the partners was shot and killed while working on the police force. his life insurance policy didn't pay out to his partner because legally they weren't married, even though they've been living together for 25 years. You think that's fair?
milk_manThat argument never works. If you can apply that argument to gay marriage you should be able to apply it to anything.
Why would anyone care about someone else's sexual abuse? Who cares if the guys down the street sexually abuse people..? Are they coming up to you and sexually abusing you? If not, then who cares.
You will say that one of those is right and one of those is wrong, but what do you even base your morality off of..? Laws? Do you really trust the government that much?
That is not an equivalent at all haha. two guys consenting to licking ass is not the same as sexual abuse - which is non consensual. Learn things, people. jesus...
"The Bible says so" is not a logical argument unless you truly subscribe to everything it says. Those who wrote it almost certainly had the survival of the human race (via patriarchal systems) as their goal, which is inherently oppressive, but I think they'd be pretty offended if you told them you are shellfish and that you don't stone adulterers, among other things.
Frenchy, your jokes about 'becoming a gay' are incredibly transparent to anybody. Why people who engage in same-sex intercourse scare you so much, I don't know, but I can tell you that fear is as far from rational as one can go.
RachyLet's just do everything the bible says and then beating your wives will be totally acceptable. Let's bring back slaves as well.
Apparently you don't understand the gospel and how it plays in.
*CUMMINGS*"The Bible says so" is not a logical argument unless you truly subscribe to everything it says. Those who wrote it almost certainly had the survival of the human race (via patriarchal systems) as their goal, which is inherently oppressive, but I think they'd be pretty offended if you told them you are shellfish and that you don't stone adulterers, among other things.
Frenchy, your jokes about 'becoming a gay' are incredibly transparent to anybody. Why people who engage in same-sex intercourse scare you so much, I don't know, but I can tell you that fear is as far from rational as one can go.
Ten commandments man. That's all. According to the Bible, being gay is a sexual sin(adultery) and making people think its okay by calling it 'marriage' has always been COMPLETELY unheard of. Because the world used to not be morally relative.
toastyteenagerswhy does any thread that talks about religion or politics end in multiple pages of arguments, butthurt, and bans?
milk_manBecause everyones conscience is screaming at them to defend their beliefs that basically make their world go round
That is true but I think it has to do with people trying to make themselves believe what they are saying as well. The people who are confindent with their opinions do not need to force it on other people. I am on the boat of figuring shit out so I randomly go overboard trying to argue. When I am really just trying to convince myself.
Same reason why people who are anti-gay might actually be gay. They are trying to convince themselves it is WRONG and they'll be that way. Example? See following quote :)
.frenchyWell here's some good news from Fox News' twitter:
Federal appeals court upholds gay marriage bans in four states
milk_manApparently you don't understand the gospel and how it plays in.
Ten commandments man. That's all. According to the Bible, being gay is a sexual sin(adultery) and making people think its okay by calling it 'marriage' has always been COMPLETELY unheard of. Because the world used to not be morally relative.
You're doing better than Frenchy at constructing a coherent argument, so you've got that going for you.
There's nothing in the Ten Commandments about homosexuality, probably because, at the time it was written, homosexuality was really not considered all that bad. Your entire argument stems from a single passage in Leviticus, which is followed by one that basically amounts to saying "don't eat shellfish".
JenniferGarnerAlso, Republican-loyal NSers, why haven't you addressed this post yet? Is it because its based on logic and reasoning? Or is it because whenever trickle-down economics and less government funding in the form of cuts towards education and other public service efforts is introduced it has time and time again proven to be fucking idiotic? Is it too hard of a truth to face because you're too blinded by your party's color or are you really this ignorant to the world around you? I think its a combo of both.
It's because they want to bicker about licking assholes, birth control and blast immigrants and they have no idea what they're actually supposed to be talking about- and that's that the modern "republican" (and by that I mean Libertarian) economic agenda is a fucking kamikaze dollar ride into bedrock plain and simple.
I want ONE "republican" to tell me how Kansas and their current economic disaster bodes well if this were to be enacted on a national scale. Please. If you actually give a fuck and aren't just some cunt regurgitating shit on the internet TELL ME HOW THAT WILL SUDDENLY WORK!! Stop bickering about gay this and black that you motherfucking whiners, YOU ARE ALL THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW! Get over it and see the real issues. Don't even let yourself get sucked into the wedge issue and lose sight of the real deal... Unless that's all you've got and your argument has no backbone beyond philosophical application of moral issues, in which case fuck you back to your hole in front of some talking heads where all your prejudices can be wrapped up in a nice package you can feel good about.
ScaredwhiteboyNo, I like what I've been given, and I don't want other people to ruin it. Don't pretend like this is a civil right's issue. Gays can still gargle each other's cum as much as they want. To have the government call your relationship with your fuck buddy "marriage" is the furthest thing imaginable from a civil right. Saying you have a civil right to have the government recognize your marriage is like saying you have a civil right for the government to recognize that you have a big penis. It's absolutely asinine.
I have no problem with the government giving gays exactly equal rights as normal people (which they currently do). However, calling the relationship between them marriage when they're really just severely perverted best friends is an insult to every loving normal couple.
You really are the fucking worst.
I love how you holier-than-thou piece of shit types can whip their fat, greasy *just fapped* finger right past the right-up-front 7 deadly sins that directly apply to them like wrath, adultery, lust, greed, gluttony and sloth- all the way to page 724ish where there's some vague passage that sort of discourages homosexuality... And latch onto that like it's allowance in our culture the end-all-be-all to your personal happiness.
Go fuck yourself, seriously. Every time one of you crop up it's like a fucking joke more than a conversation. Marriage doesn't belong to the Christian faith you fucking idiot, now go fuck yourself- and remember- we all know you're full of shit, and the gay issue is just one more glaringly obvious sign to everyone but you. Thanks for playing though, your flail is epic.
Huck_NorrisIt's because they want to bicker about licking assholes, birth control and blast immigrants and they have no idea what they're actually supposed to be talking about- and that's that the modern "republican" (and by that I mean Libertarian) economic agenda is a fucking kamikaze dollar ride into bedrock plain and simple.
I want ONE "republican" to tell me how Kansas and their current economic disaster bodes well if this were to be enacted on a national scale. Please. If you actually give a fuck and aren't just some cunt regurgitating shit on the internet TELL ME HOW THAT WILL SUDDENLY WORK!! Stop bickering about gay this and black that you motherfucking whiners, YOU ARE ALL THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW! Get over it and see the real issues. Don't even let yourself get sucked into the wedge issue and lose sight of the real deal... Unless that's all you've got and your argument has no backbone beyond philosophical application of moral issues, in which case fuck you back to your hole in front of some talking heads where all your prejudices can be wrapped up in a nice package you can feel good about.
I think its because the Republican party only attracts ignorant, gay bashing xenophobes/racists... under the guise of protecting "American" and their religious values. Leave it to the religious to try to act like they're being victimized or that they're under attack when they're the most dominant segment in the country. Its pathetic and when it comes to actually addressing the issues, the ones who declare themselves as staunch Republicans ignore it to the point of even discounting one of the most legitimate news sources in the world (Al Jazeera)... probably because it sounds "Muslimy". Its honestly sad how hard the party devotees are trying to ignore how fucked up the party is they're blindly supporting.
I wonder how many of them will read this and think I'm a Democrat... another example of how stupid you have to be to line yourself with the Republican party.
*CUMMINGS*You're doing better than Frenchy at constructing a coherent argument, so you've got that going for you.
There's nothing in the Ten Commandments about homosexuality, probably because, at the time it was written, homosexuality was really not considered all that bad. Your entire argument stems from a single passage in Leviticus, which is followed by one that basically amounts to saying "don't eat shellfish".
It isn't mentioned directly in the ten commandments but since homosexuality is considered adultery and an abomination in the Bible puts it under commandment 7. "You shall not commit adultery."
milk_manApparently you don't understand the gospel and how it plays in.
Ten commandments man. That's all. According to the Bible, being gay is a sexual sin(adultery) and making people think its okay by calling it 'marriage' has always been COMPLETELY unheard of. Because the world used to not be morally relative.
You don't understand The United States and how THEY play in.
Pull up a seat, kiddo I'll crack open the keg of knowledge to give you a sip since your parents are clearly too stupid to set you straight.
See, IN AMERICA you're ALLOWED to say "I live by the 10 Commandments set out to me by my religion of choice" and that right is defended by law. This is called the freedom of AND from religion. OTHER PEOPLE get to do their thing by that same law tho, it's not just for you! You get to choose your thing, and they get to choose theirs! Wow, isn't this cool! We're learning!!
Now... In case those words were too big, the laws that provide you the freedom to practice Christianity free from despotic Sharia law passed down from Mohammad or whoever else- are the same laws that keep other people free from your despotic, inquisitional rule as Christian overlord too.
The laws of religious freedom in this country aren't the laws to make everyone bow to your personal religion, and it really has been lately- the fact that you aren't ashamed to have been working against the very freedoms that provide you with the ability to follow your own path is pathetic. You simply don't understand how literally any of this works, it's painfully obvious to those of us who do and you should be ashamed if you aren't.
JenniferGarnerI think its because the Republican party only attracts ignorant, gay bashing xenophobes/racists... under the guise of protecting "American" and their religious values. Leave it to the religious to try to act like they're being victimized or that they're under attack when they're the most dominant segment in the country. Its pathetic and when it comes to actually addressing the issues, the ones who declare themselves as staunch Republicans ignore it to the point of even discounting one of the most legitimate news sources in the world (Al Jazeera)... probably because it sounds "Muslimy". Its honestly sad how hard the party devotees are trying to ignore how fucked up the party is they're blindly supporting.
I wonder how many of them will read this and think I'm a Democrat... another example of how stupid you have to be to line yourself with the Republican party.
Yes, you may be right.
I Think it's because the Democratic party only attracts the lazy, the minorities, the poor, and those blind to the system of how things come to be created.... under the guise of protecting "each other" and their social values. Leave it to the moochers to try to act like they're being victimized or that they're under attack when they hold the same voting power in the country. Its pathetic and when it comes to actually addressing the issues, the ones who declare themselves staunch Democrats ignore it to the point of even discounting any news source that does not agree with their point of views....probably because it sounds to "wealthy." Its honestly sad how hard the party devotees are trying to ignore how fucked up the party is they're blindly supporting.
I wonder how many of them will read this and think I'm a Republic... another example of how stupid you have to be to line yourself with the Democratic party.
I Think it's because the Democratic party only attracts the lazy, the minorities, the poor, and those blind to the system of how things come to be created.... under the guise of protecting "each other" and their social values. Leave it to the moochers to try to act like they're being victimized or that they're under attack when they hold the same voting power in the country. Its pathetic and when it comes to actually addressing the issues, the ones who declare themselves staunch Democrats ignore it to the point of even discounting any news source that does not agree with their point of views....probably because it sounds to "wealthy." Its honestly sad how hard the party devotees are trying to ignore how fucked up the party is they're blindly supporting.
I wonder how many of them will read this and think I'm a Republic... another example of how stupid you have to be to line yourself with the Democratic party.
Live on minimum wage with no wealth going into it and get back to me about how you do getting a job, let alone supporting a family, or to go insanely far, accruing wealth. You still haven't explained how Kansas and Brownback's failures bode well. Also, it's worth mentioning that morality that is based off human decency as an independent concept instead of solely off religion certainly has more of a place in a government with a clear separation between church and state.
milk_manIt isn't mentioned directly in the ten commandments but since homosexuality is considered adultery and an abomination in the Bible puts it under commandment 7. "You shall not commit adultery."
Wrong, Adultery has nothing to do with being gay, although gay people can commit adultery: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not his or her spouse.
I don't even do your religion anymore, but I know the Bible better than you.
It also says in your Bible that Jesus was very tolerant of others, even in sin, and hung out with gays and prostitutes and drug addicts.
so what we learn today is milk man hates Jesus and is a terrible Christian.