2016/2017 ON3P Thread

LiteratureAt least with the widths of the Steeple series, you might be trying to stretch this ski a bit thin.

The RES on the Steeple 102 hooks up just fine on ice, crunchy refrozen silliness, and chalky windboard. However, many of the traditionally shaped skis at that waist width tend to suck in soft conditions, which are very much a part of spring skiing. You'll find that the 102 handles them a lot better.

Go long in your options because of your size/weight.

You also might consider the Steeple 108 as well, as it has enough girth to handle deeper days but isn't too wide to consider for a spring option.

Thanks. The steeple 108 looks exactly like what Im looking for, but unfortunately I gotta get something from last year to save money!

I may go 189 steeple 102, its been tickling my fancy for a few days. Still debating the 184 Steeple though, because its really not that much less ski than a 187 Hoji, which is my 3rd option. Also the 184 steeple might be great for longer tours and tighter spots, to compliment a 192 sick day 125 with beast 16s that are for inbounds/sidecountry at baker. hmmm 189 102, or 184 112?

If I wasnt planning on buying a custom wrenegade, id be all over the steeple 108!

Ah, I see. Good call on the custom Wrens.

Lots of similarities between the Hoji and Steeple 112--I'm sure I flexed them at some point, but can't remember how they compared. 5cm of difference isn't much either, though the Steeple 102 is a better comparison to the Raven than the Hoji. I'd probably go narrower for long tours because you have those Sick Days.

Also, the 102 skis pow a lot better than you'd think for a ski of that waist width. We think it has something to do with the shovel rocker profile plus RES, but the truth is that I don't know how it works exactly.

DirtyDruidThanks. The steeple 108 looks exactly like what Im looking for, but unfortunately I gotta get something from last year to save money!

I may go 189 steeple 102, its been tickling my fancy for a few days. Still debating the 184 Steeple though, because its really not that much less ski than a 187 Hoji, which is my 3rd option. Also the 184 steeple might be great for longer tours and tighter spots, to compliment a 192 sick day 125 with beast 16s that are for inbounds/sidecountry at baker. hmmm 189 102, or 184 112?

If I wasnt planning on buying a custom wrenegade, id be all over the steeple 108!

Something to note on the Hojis is that 4frnt sizes a bit small so the 187 hoji will probably be the same length as the 184 steeple.

.lenconSomething to note on the Hojis is that 4frnt sizes a bit small so the 187 hoji will probably be the same length as the 184 steeple.

Ya that's what I meant by it not being much more ski. The hoji measures just over 185cm, while the 184 steeple measures probably closer to 185cm too.. all my on3ps are almost a full cm on the long side (but still truer to size than most brands)

The flex pattern, and overall chest-hair growth level factor, the Hoji is a bit burlier, but not by much. The steeple is no wimpy noodle. And while the hoji is a tad burlier, the steeple has camber, helping it have a similar speed limit everywhere except the worst inbounds crud.

Probably going with the 189 steeple 102, but it wont be until after my move up to bellingham(next 2 weeks) since I just bought 193 C&Ds the other day... As Lit said, the 102 broadens my touring quiver more. I have a mid-winter sidecountry ski, and would have an early/late season explorer that can still handle anything I throw at it, with beast bindings on the 189cm 102...

DirtyDruidYa that's what I meant by it not being much more ski. The hoji measures just over 185cm, while the 184 steeple measures probably closer to 185cm too.. all my on3ps are almost a full cm on the long side (but still truer to size than most brands)

The flex pattern, and overall chest-hair growth level factor, the Hoji is a bit burlier, but not by much. The steeple is no wimpy noodle. And while the hoji is a tad burlier, the steeple has camber, helping it have a similar speed limit everywhere except the worst inbounds crud.

Probably going with the 189 steeple 102, but it wont be until after my move up to bellingham(next 2 weeks) since I just bought 193 C&Ds the other day... As Lit said, the 102 broadens my touring quiver more. I have a mid-winter sidecountry ski, and would have an early/late season explorer that can still handle anything I throw at it, with beast bindings on the 189cm 102...

yeah pull the trigger on the steeple 102s then

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Extra stiff Billy Goats, with the new sidecut underfoot, will be killer skis I bet. Jealous, but my 2015 191 BGs are way to Minty for me to justify another set.

I think I may have to forgo the custom wren 113, and go with some extra stiff steeple 108s, with some cool topsheets. For an awesome sidecountry/inbounds do it all ski.

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That sounds like the best possible ski for tahoe

DirtyDruidExtra stiff Billy Goats, with the new sidecut underfoot, will be killer skis I bet. Jealous, but my 2015 191 BGs are way to Minty for me to justify another set.

I think I may have to forgo the custom wren 113, and go with some extra stiff steeple 108s, with some cool topsheets. For an awesome sidecountry/inbounds do it all ski.

I'm certainly biased, but yes, yes, and more yes. Do it.

This is probably way in advance but does anyone know when the dates for the demo tour come out? Also will there be a few east coast stops in Vermont by any chance?

LiteratureI'm certainly biased, but yes, yes, and more yes. Do it.

Do you put extra carbon in your steeple 108s or go stock?

How do you feel about the steeple 102 changing to the steeple 98 this year? It seems as though you really liked the steeple 102, but are you glad to be on something more traditional for next spring? Or will you keep a pair of both, for different conditions?

So about the C&D's I have questions. Where is the mount point cause I'm wondering how much tail I'll have behind me and how if you guys are doing custom top sheets again this year and when I'll be able to get so of that action. Love ON3P, best brand I've ever owned

The C&Ds look pretty sweet, but I still dont get what has been done to the outside edges? Inside edges are RES, and the outside edges are early taper?

I have 2016 193s, they are maniacal. Will upgrade to the 2018s if needed, but I want to see some reviews of the new sidecut.

Is it just me, or has every ski been given a price hike? Don't know how I feel about seeing the Magnus coming at $629. I feel the time for dedicated park skis being priced that high has somewhat passed, regardless of how amazing the quality is.

Otherwise the lineup looks great. It does appear that the team has definitely shrunken though...

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Customs should be up in a day or two. The set up with that many options is a bit complicated, so I actually need to go back in and build the framework.

Right now, we'll be allowing people to change their topsheet, sidewalls, carbon, fiberglass, and add a skin clip tail.

blazer258This is probably way in advance but does anyone know when the dates for the demo tour come out? Also will there be a few east coast stops in Vermont by any chance?

Too early right now. We should have 2 fleets running the East Coast this year - one out of Boston, the other out of Baltimore. Generally dates don't go up until 4-6 weeks before hand, unless the snow is solid.

DirtyDruidHow do you feel about the steeple 102 changing to the steeple 98 this year? It seems as though you really liked the steeple 102, but are you glad to be on something more traditional for next spring? Or will you keep a pair of both, for different conditions?

Steeple 102 was a killer and underrated ski. It floats a lot better than the waist width lets on. This really is about changing to what people are asking for, and RES in that width just wasn't in huge demand.

cdblu_freeskiSo about the C&D's I have questions. Where is the mount point cause I'm wondering how much tail I'll have behind me and how if you guys are doing custom top sheets again this year and when I'll be able to get so of that action. Love ON3P, best brand I've ever owned

Mount is around 10cm. It is a directional ski that wants to be driven. We will be doing customs this year - I just need to go back in and rebuild some of the framework to make sure everything is working right.

DirtyDruidThe C&Ds look pretty sweet, but I still dont get what has been done to the outside edges? Inside edges are RES, and the outside edges are early taper?

I have 2016 193s, they are maniacal. Will upgrade to the 2018s if needed, but I want to see some reviews of the new sidecut.

Both inside and outside edge in RES. Outside edge has a lot more tip and tail taper than the inside edge. When you are smearing ski in powder, the uphill ski is now easier to smear. It releases faster and allows you to get more angled without the ski pushing back. It also creates a lighter ski in such a large model. If you have a 2016, you are on a pretty good ride. The big change on the CD that, to me, made it a lot better came between the 14/15 and 15/16 model (I believe) when everything went to the tour layup. Before ski was too stiff and too heavy for most people. New layup is a lot more fun.

j.w.vIs it just me, or has every ski been given a price hike? Don't know how I feel about seeing the Magnus coming at $629. I feel the time for dedicated park skis being priced that high has somewhat passed, regardless of how amazing the quality is.

Otherwise the lineup looks great. It does appear that the team has definitely shrunken though...

Still a ton of work to be done on the website (it is only 1/2 done at this point), so I'll wrap this up quickly.

Pricing wise, most everything is back to around where it was in the 13/14 & 14/15. 15/16 saw a drop, which was a mistake for our brand, as we're basically selling certain models at cost to dealers.

As for the Magnus at $629 w/ free shipping, excluding the fact that our Cost of Goods & overhead is 2x+ more than all of our competitors not named Moment, it is the exact same price we charged for Filthy Rich for the 11/12, 12/13, 13/14, and 14/15 season ($599 + $30 shipping). Same price now, only our material costs are higher and inflation means we make less money per sale. We know it is the best built park ski in the world, so it should be priced as such.

While we know it isn't cheap, you are buying an ON3P, not some cheap ski made in China. It is great those options exist, but that isn't what we are about. I know what our cost per pair is, and that of our competitors, and given that, you would be surprised how competitively and underpriced our skis our. There are brands selling skis on presale right now, with a nice margin, for what it costs us to build a pair. China is crazy cheap, but so are the skis.

I truly think it is great there are budget brands out there getting people on the hill, but we don't do cheap, budget skis here, and I can promise you we're not getting rich selling the Magnus at $629 shipped.

In regards to the team - that page needs a complete rebuilt. We have a few changes, along with a number of new people (I have at least 10 people to add to the page). The team page is like the 40th most visited page on our website (I think most just view the drop down)...so just down the to-do-list at the moment.


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You get what you pay for.. Ill gladly pay a little more to get skis that are both up to date and ready to charge. Skis with super high speed limits are getting harder and harder to come by. Plus the fact that they build skis that can charge hard, but also keep up in terms of the freestyle market. Thats just impossible to find, other than in a few companies. On3p partially(mainly in my book) fills in the gaping hole left in the current ski market, super damp, yet fun skis that can go 70mph in crud, or ski trees at 10mph, skis that can jib or charge.*All of what im talking about holds especially true for people over 170lbs or so.

On3p changes their skis up every 2 years or so, and paying for that R&D is 100% worth it. They dont make there skis in china, paying people $2 an hour either.. So if you pay the same amount of $ for a top of the line On3p as a top the line K2 or whatever, yet get twice the lifespan out of the On3p, its still saving money.

**Crushed a six pack before typing this, fanboy loyalty operating at highest capacity

Didn't know that each ski order had free shipping. Definitely helps justify the higher price than the FR, and with the general idea of the production cost of the Magnus provided, it helps to put it all into perspective. Good stuff

If you want to be cheap buy some Revisions and enjoy paying for a second pair in January when they snap

Hey, need some quick help on what ski to get for next season. Already have J122 with alpine bindings and looking for a ski to tour with. Really dig how the J122 skis with the centered stance and all. I know the K116 is not a tour ski, but really thinking about just getting them with some Kingpins. I want to have the opportunity to have fun with them in the resort to. I know tour bindings isn't really that great for fun stuff in the resort, but heard some great things about Kingpins?

And since i don't know how much i love touring yet i don't wanna go all out on a touring set up yet. It's always a next year.

The issue, found a local shop that have a J114 in 186. Since i live in Norway i will hit some hardpack, will the J114 be a better allrounder than K116? I'm 188 so they might be to small for me, but i know touring skis is supposed to be a little shorter? They have one pair left so have to decide quickly. Also want a GC topsheet(yes, i need another one), so the K116 have that going for it. Given you can get one when the custom shop open.

So Sander is no longer with you guys?

What fatter ski will you guys do next year?

PownessHey, need some quick help on what ski to get for next season. Already have J122 with alpine bindings and looking for a ski to tour with. Really dig how the J122 skis with the centered stance and all. I know the K116 is not a tour ski, but really thinking about just getting them with some Kingpins. I want to have the opportunity to have fun with them in the resort to. I know tour bindings isn't really that great for fun stuff in the resort, but heard some great things about Kingpins?

And since i don't know how much i love touring yet i don't wanna go all out on a touring set up yet. It's always a next year.

The issue, found a local shop that have a J114 in 186. Since i live in Norway i will hit some hardpack, will the J114 be a better allrounder than K116? I'm 188 so they might be to small for me, but i know touring skis is supposed to be a little shorter? They have one pair left so have to decide quickly. Also want a GC topsheet(yes, i need another one), so the K116 have that going for it. Given you can get one when the custom shop open.

The Jeffrey 114 will be a bit better all around than the Kartel 116, where the Kartel 116 will be a bit better in powder, but just barely for both. Both are very similar, though, so if you liked one, you would like the other.

How much do you weigh? I mean the custom option is great if you want a GC topsheet. The Jeffrey 114 is a great ski though, and would likely be quite a bit cheaper.

.lenconSo Sander is no longer with you guys?

What fatter ski will you guys do next year?

Sander is no longer with ON3P. I haven't seen his new ski sponsor announced publicly yet, so not my place to release it. Obviously disappointing for ON3P, but business is business. We wish him the best.

.lenconWhat fatter ski will you guys do next year?

Framework for the ski we were working on with Sander remains. We will see what happens.

Honestly, though, sales on skis 120mm+ are....slow. There was a reason we were comfortable moving forward without a wide jib ski. If we feel there is a need, we will address in. In the meantime, most of my focus is on continuing to evolve and improve the skis we actually sell.

iggyskierFramework for the ski we were working on with Sander remains. We will see what happens.

Honestly, though, sales on skis 120mm+ are....slow. There was a reason we were comfortable moving forward without a wide jib ski. If we feel there is a need, we will address in. In the meantime, most of my focus is on continuing to evolve and improve the skis we actually sell.

That makes sense, to be honest I'm turned off to anything above 120mm, just a real fat ski. And with rocker/taper, etc it seems you can float pretty much anywhere on a ~115mm ski

iggyskierFramework for the ski we were working on with Sander remains. We will see what happens.

Honestly, though, sales on skis 120mm+ are....slow. There was a reason we were comfortable moving forward without a wide jib ski. If we feel there is a need, we will address in. In the meantime, most of my focus is on continuing to evolve and improve the skis we actually sell.

Yeah i probably wont every buy a ski over 120mm ever again...they stop being useful after about 3 hours in a resort.

Any thoughts on skinny goats? id be interested eventually if i end up scraping up some money

iggyskierHonestly, though, sales on skis 120mm+ are....slow. There was a reason we were comfortable moving forward without a wide jib ski. If we feel there is a need, we will address in. In the meantime, most of my focus is on continuing to evolve and improve the skis we actually sell.

The market for wider and wider skis is definitely winding down. As an owner of the jeffrey 114, and moment bibby pros, I personally would never go any wider for a jib ski. I think capping off your selection with the Kartel 116 is a smart decision. If/when going over 120mm, im ONLY looking for a powder specific shape, not an all around ski shape.

Going thinner with the new C&D is good too. It seems that manufacturers have figured out what works best in pow, and they can incorporate powder technology into 116-124 skis to get them to ski like Super fatties that were over 130mm of years past.

The only reason I bought my C&Ds, is because I'm moving to Mt. Baker during a possible La Nina event.. If not for that specific circumstance, I would not have even considered going over 120mm

That being said, anyone who skis a resort that averages 400" or more of snow per year, GET SOME NEW 191 C&Ds!

Profahoben_212Yeah i probably wont every buy a ski over 120mm ever again...they stop being useful after about 3 hours in a resort.

Any thoughts on skinny goats? id be interested eventually if i end up scraping up some money

Yeah iggy, I saw a thread on TGR about baby billy goats, but then I asked Literature at the demo and he said he's never heard of them and I'm referring to the Steeple 108.

I mean I guess the Steeple is a smaller bully goat with the RES but wasn't there plans of an actual baby BG?

.lenconYeah iggy, I saw a thread on TGR about baby billy goats, but then I asked Literature at the demo and he said he's never heard of them and I'm referring to the Steeple 108.

I mean I guess the Steeple is a smaller bully goat with the RES but wasn't there plans of an actual baby BG?

Yeah I remember a thread about a special order of them somewhere on NS...and I'm pretty sure I saw a pair floating around somewhere too....maybe it was a prototype steeple 108?

So what's the difference between Steeple 108s and Baby BGs? (Also 108 underfoot?) just more taper and classic BG tail?



But baby BG would be a sick touring ski..

Profahoben_212Yeah i probably wont every buy a ski over 120mm ever again...they stop being useful after about 3 hours in a resort.

Any thoughts on skinny goats? id be interested eventually if i end up scraping up some money

Fun ski. It already exists - the Steeple 108 is the Skinny Goat with a skin clip tail and tour layup.

For that width, I prefer the hardpack performance of the Wren 108 over the Steeple 108. The new rocker makes the Wren 108 a pretty killer soft snow ski. If you want an RES version in that width, you will be able to order a Steeple 108 in a non-tour width, which would just be a BG Skinny with a skin clip tail. Not sure if we will offer it without that tail. Probably at some point.

DirtyDruidGoing thinner with the new C&D is good too. It seems that manufacturers have figured out what works best in pow, and they can incorporate powder technology into 116-124 skis to get them to ski like Super fatties that were over 130mm of years past.

The only reason I bought my C&Ds, is because I'm moving to Mt. Baker during a possible La Nina event.. If not for that specific circumstance, I would not have even considered going over 120mm

That being said, anyone who skis a resort that averages 400" or more of snow per year, GET SOME NEW 191 C&Ds!

Baker is one of the few places you can really use & enjoy the CD, so I think you will dig them.

These are very few days/places where I think you really benefit going over 120. 114-116 is a killer width.

.lenconYeah iggy, I saw a thread on TGR about baby billy goats, but then I asked Literature at the demo and he said he's never heard of them and I'm referring to the Steeple 108.

I mean I guess the Steeple is a smaller bully goat with the RES but wasn't there plans of an actual baby BG?

Profahoben_212Yeah I remember a thread about a special order of them somewhere on NS...and I'm pretty sure I saw a pair floating around somewhere too....maybe it was a prototype steeple 108?

The Steeple 108 is the end product of the BG Skinny development. It is basically version...6-7 of that run. Just with a skin clip tail and tour layup.

We tried to do a run of 10 on TGR with a normal tail, but a lot of interest turned into very few people committing.

I think, for most people, the Wren 108 is the better option in that width, particularly with the new rocker profile.

iggyskierThe Jeffrey 114 will be a bit better all around than the Kartel 116, where the Kartel 116 will be a bit better in powder, but just barely for both. Both are very similar, though, so if you liked one, you would like the other.

How much do you weigh? I mean the custom option is great if you want a GC topsheet. The Jeffrey 114 is a great ski though, and would likely be quite a bit cheaper.

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190lbs+- ish.

I wanted Baby Billy goats last year with a few people on TGR, but ran out of money... Glad to see them being an option, I will have money for them this season, around christmas!

Do the Baby Billys have a higher speed limit than the steeple 112? They should work better on hardpack with the new RES design for this year too, right?

Are the custom topsheets for this year the same as last year? What are the "America" side walls? Red white and blue sidewalls?

DirtyDruidDo you put extra carbon in your steeple 108s or go stock?

How do you feel about the steeple 102 changing to the steeple 98 this year? It seems as though you really liked the steeple 102, but are you glad to be on something more traditional for next spring? Or will you keep a pair of both, for different conditions?

.lenconYeah iggy, I saw a thread on TGR about baby billy goats, but then I asked Literature at the demo and he said he's never heard of them and I'm referring to the Steeple 108.

I mean I guess the Steeple is a smaller bully goat with the RES but wasn't there plans of an actual baby BG?

DirtyDruidI wanted Baby Billy goats last year with a few people on TGR, but ran out of money... Glad to see them being an option, I will have money for them this season, around christmas!

Do the Baby Billys have a higher speed limit than the steeple 112? They should work better on hardpack with the new RES design for this year too, right?

Are the custom topsheets for this year the same as last year? What are the "America" side walls? Red white and blue sidewalls?

Ski design is a mixture of many things: normal ski building, tech innovations, ideas about what we want, ideas of what will sell well direct, will sell well in shops, reactions to the reception of past options that we've offered.

The ST112 didn't have much of a following, despite being right in the weight ranks with the Wailer 112 RP Hybrid and the Hoji, both touring focused skis by companies that, like ON3P, aren't looking to sacrifice much for weight in those specific models.

The ST102 is a super fun ski that I've done nearly everything on. However, the move to the 98 is part guess, part science that more folks who want a touring ski from us in that width are looking for traditional (bi-radius) sidecut. We'll know better after this winter. Personally, I value float and smeary-ness in my skis even during the spring, so what I've gained in edging power with the ST98, I've lost in surfiness when things get sloppy or deep. I also dropped a size (now on the 174 because I use it as a fast touring and mountaineering ski), so that adds to the differences. I love RES anywhere.

The ST108 is our move to update the 112. I'm certainly biased, but I'm of the opinion that the ST108 is our finest offering to date for someone looking for a more directional, everyday ski that can tour well and tear anything apart on the down. It's the best ski I've ever worked on designing (alongside Scott and the rest of our factory gents). I ski my pair inbounds with tech bindings (normally I don't do this) because they're so much fun.

All the Skinnygoat or Baby Goat talk confuses me because it does and has exist(ed). We've been making narrower waisted BGs in the Steeple series for years. The skin clip tail changes almost nothing. They ski very similar to the BG (and last winter I toured extensively on the BG) flex wise. Our attempts to prototype a Jib RES ski haven't worked out so hot, so you haven't seen it.

I think they do put a bit of extra carbon in mine, but I'll check with Scott. Stock flex on the 108 is dialed throughout the line though.

One last thing about the Steeple series: ON3P has no interest in playing the "how light can you make it" game. That paradigm consistently produces skis that easy to carry and skin with, but aren't much fun on the down and heaven help you if you hit a rock. We hang our hat on quality of construction and durability, things you'll find in equal measure in our touring skis. We've prototyped lighter core builds with other materials, but they didn't ski as well, so we canned them in favor of providing a ride that's true to who we are and what our customers want, rather than something that compromises those characteristics in the name of weight savings. The Steeple series is lighter than our other builds, but they are every inch an ON3P.

Getting ready to dump all my skis to buy Kartel 106, Billy Goat, and a Wren 98, this season is going to be a blast, stoked on the new line for 16/17, even more stoked to be coming home to On3p after a brief stint with another brand.

Leaning towards the Kartel 108. I should probably go wider since I'll be skiing at Jackson/Bridger/big sky for the next 5-6 years, but the 108 waist really appeals to me as a "do it all" width. Maybe I'll size up from 186 to the 191 cm to help out in the pow.

Anybody think this is a bad idea?

SconnieLeaning towards the Kartel 108. I should probably go wider since I'll be skiing at Jackson/Bridger/big sky for the next 5-6 years, but the 108 waist really appeals to me as a "do it all" width. Maybe I'll size up from 186 to the 191 cm to help out in the pow.

Anybody think this is a bad idea?

The 108 will do well on most days at those areas, but it will be a little undergunned on the deepest days. You might want a fatter board in the quiver for that.

I wouldn't add the length unless you're a tall, big dude. Bridger and Big Sky have their share of spots where longer skis are more of a hassle than a help.

LiteratureI wouldn't add the length unless you're a tall, big dude. Bridger and Big Sky have their share of spots where longer skis are more of a hassle than a help.

I'm kind of on the edge... I'm 6'1 175 and I usually put on some weight during the season. I guess it not a huge difference, and I'm used to 186's so I may stick with that length. Thanks for the help.

SconnieI'm kind of on the edge... I'm 6'1 175 and I usually put on some weight during the season. I guess it not a huge difference, and I'm used to 186's so I may stick with that length. Thanks for the help.

I'm half an inch shorter than you, and almost exactly the same weight, heavier in the winter. I spent time on the K108 this spring in a 186. I'd agree with David, I haven't skied Bridger/Big Sky, but for most days at Jackson you should be fine on a 106, and everything I've heard points to Bozeman skiing having more tight spots that lend themselves to the 186.

And honestly, personally if I was more worried about charging and flotation I'd go K116 in a 186 instead. David and Scott can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it bears a lot of similarity to the old Jeff 114, which I spent 5 days on this year and absolutely loved. More stable, more ready to be pushed than the 108, but less buttery, and less fun on shallower days.

Either way though, you can't go wrong. That K108 stands out as my favorite 2016/17 ski that I've been on so far, and the Jeff 114 was definitely one of the top skis I was on at any point last year.

when will custom ski orders start ? I wanna go in on a pair of magnus's but id rather have them with a kartel topsheet

cydwhitI'm half an inch shorter than you, and almost exactly the same weight, heavier in the winter. I spent time on the K108 this spring in a 186. I'd agree with David, I haven't skied Bridger/Big Sky, but for most days at Jackson you should be fine on a 106, and everything I've heard points to Bozeman skiing having more tight spots that lend themselves to the 186.

And honestly, personally if I was more worried about charging and flotation I'd go K116 in a 186 instead. David and Scott can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it bears a lot of similarity to the old Jeff 114, which I spent 5 days on this year and absolutely loved. More stable, more ready to be pushed than the 108, but less buttery, and less fun on shallower days.

Either way though, you can't go wrong. That K108 stands out as my favorite 2016/17 ski that I've been on so far, and the Jeff 114 was definitely one of the top skis I was on at any point last year.

Great advice, thanks! I impulse purchased some Jeffery 114's last year in 181cm. Ended up way too short and the previous owner had them mounted three times already so they are pretty damn useless, and impossible to sell.

I'll be on the lookout for some fatter skis in the future, but the Kartel 108's seem perfect for now.

Chubz.when will custom ski orders start ? I wanna go in on a pair of magnus's but id rather have them with a kartel topsheet

The kartel 108 topsheet with some 15-16 orange fks's would look sooo dope.

SconnieGreat advice, thanks! I impulse purchased some Jeffery 114's last year in 181cm. Ended up way too short and the previous owner had them mounted three times already so they are pretty damn useless, and impossible to sell.

I'll be on the lookout for some fatter skis in the future, but the Kartel 108's seem perfect for now.



The kartel 108 topsheet with some 15-16 orange fks's would look sooo dope.

that's what i was thinking

All I wanted was grizzly corn C&D's :(

cdblu_freeskiAll I wanted was grizzly corn C&D's :(

If you would like those, email and I could arrange them this month. The reason the Cease & Desist is not available on customs is that we press them only once per year, so no coming back for them, where most of our other models we revolve production on.

We haven't pressed this year yet, though, so I could set them up temporarily if you are interested.

iggyskierIf you would like those, email and I could arrange them this month. The reason the Cease & Desist is not available on customs is that we press them only once per year, so no coming back for them, where most of our other models we revolve production on.

We haven't pressed this year yet, though, so I could set them up temporarily if you are interested.

This is exactly why ON3P is the best. Email ON3P's contact email or?

cdblu_freeskiThis is exactly why ON3P is the best. Email ON3P's contact email or?

Just email me directly - scott AT on3pskis DOT com.

iggyskierJust email me directly - scott AT on3pskis DOT com.

Are the skis that are in stock currently shipping? I'm not getting toooo antsy, just curious. Thanks.

SconnieAre the skis that are in stock currently shipping? I'm not getting toooo antsy, just curious. Thanks.

First 2017 skis will start shipping end of the week.

fuck some grizzlycorn billygoats might be in my future. does the financing apply to the custom skis as well?