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Shoey-Ski
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I just got new ski boots and i noticed there just a tiny bit bigger than were i have my bindings set right now. Is there anyway to adjust them without getting them remounted?
Apr 30 2014 6:24AM
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tomPietrowski
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Yep. just take them to a shop and they can move the heel piece back on the track. They will also set up the afd for you. The only reason you may need a remount is if you had the heel piece set at the very back of the track already.
Apr 30 2014 6:42AM
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S.J.W
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You can adjust the heal piece via the use of a screwdriver. Won't be to hard but like stated above just take it to a shop.
Apr 30 2014 7:05AM
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Shoey-Ski
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does anyone have instructions on how i can do it myself my shop was gonna charge me 30 bucks for it
Apr 30 2014 7:09AM
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tomPietrowski
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_skierdude_does anyone have instructions on how i can do it myself my shop was gonna charge me 30 bucks for it


A knee injury will cost far more then 30 bucks. We could tell you how to do it but honestly get it done right. Maybe take them to the place that fitted your boots they should do it for free for you.
Apr 30 2014 7:19AM
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Shoey-Ski
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i know i dont want to get a knee injury but i live on the east coast and i will only be skiing for one more day with these skis thats why i dont want to spend another 30 bucks
Apr 30 2014 7:57AM
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S.J.W
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http://theskimonster.com/blog/posts/how-to-adjust-your-marker-ski-bindings/

link to article which will help you.
Apr 30 2014 8:19AM
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shredschralp
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click your boots in and then loosen the worm screw until it's flush with the plastic housing. Then click the boots in and out a couple times and continue adjusting until the worm screw is flush.

It's important to remove the boots and click back a few times to adjust the worm screw so the forward pressure is right. If the forward pressure is too high or too low the bindings won't have consistent release at the DIN they're set at.

Don't bother going to a shop, marker royal family bindings are the easiest bindings to adjust and have a long adjustment range.

If you're confused just google it, it's all over teh webz.
Apr 30 2014 8:22AM
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tomPietrowski
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Dont forget though its not just the forward pressure that will need setting. The afd will need to be set too. Even if you are only skiing one more time this year 30 is worth it. I guessing you will be skiing on them next season too.

If you really dont want to go to a shop at least find someone who has done it before to check your work. Its not that its hard to adjust its just if you get it wrong it could be pretty serious.
Apr 30 2014 8:32AM
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Filet-O-Fish
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tomPietrowskiA knee injury will cost far more then 30 bucks. We could tell you how to do it but honestly get it done right. Maybe take them to the place that fitted your boots they should do it for free for you.


This, Or What I did you can go to your local shop like i did and ask them to teach you how, my shop taught me for free.
Apr 30 2014 8:56AM
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aerobiee
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Is this a troll!? how does someone on NS not know how to set up a pair of Griffons?
Apr 30 2014 12:09PM
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Shoey-Ski
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aerobieeIs this a troll!? how does someone on NS not know how to set up a pair of Griffons?

Maybe this person just got in to freestyle skiing and isn't as experienced as most people
Apr 30 2014 6:59PM
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uyghur
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30 bucks to adjust the forward pressure?!? Time to find a new shop
Apr 30 2014 9:01PM
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shredschralp
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tomPietrowskiDont forget though its not just the forward pressure that will need setting. The afd will need to be set too.


Not on griffons, or jesters....DIN soles are all the same height. My jesters AFD isn't adjustable.
Apr 30 2014 9:52PM
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Muggydude
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New jesters and griffons do- starting with the 2012 model year.

Really not a big deal moving the heel back a few clicks. Make sure that screw is flush, and don't turn it while the boot is in the housing. First adjust, then put boots in to check. If it's not flush, pop the boots out, turn the screw more, and recheck.

AFD should be just barely touching, or up to a gap of .5mm. There is a little screw on the bottom of the AFD plate- you can see it if you are level with the ski and looking towards the tip
Apr 30 2014 11:30PM
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tomPietrowski
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wildmanwillieNot on griffons, or jesters....DIN soles are all the same height. My jesters AFD isn't adjustable.


They are now though and this is the point. Threads like this may make people think they can set up there own bindings but with the half knowledge in this thread it could end up with people getting injured.

For things like bindings its just not worth messing with it. The fact no one has said correctly how to set the afd height says it all.

If nothing else at least take the skis to a shop and have the techs show you how to do it. Dont try to learn off the web, as there is loads of bad info unfortunately.
May 1 2014 3:03AM
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Muggydude
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Really? I just said how to set the afd- 0.5mm is the correct height. Should be able to slide a piece of folded paper in between for a more specific setting.

I agree not all people should mess with their own bindings- but it doesn't take a genius iq to set them up properly
May 1 2014 12:41PM
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tomPietrowski
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MuggydudeReally? I just said how to set the afd- 0.5mm is the correct height. Should be able to slide a piece of folded paper in between for a more specific setting.

I agree not all people should mess with their own bindings- but it doesn't take a genius iq to set them up properly

My point was you did not actually say how to do it just how it should be set.
May 1 2014 12:50PM
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Cyanicenine
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MuggydudeReally? I just said how to set the afd- 0.5mm is the correct height. Should be able to slide a piece of folded paper in between for a more specific setting.

I agree not all people should mess with their own bindings- but it doesn't take a genius iq to set them up properly


I agree, bindings aren't that hard to adjust and it's a useful skill to have. Next time you have a mountain tech adjust your bindings ask to watch and have them show you what they are doing and poof, now you can do it yourself.

At my local mountain I could tell my forward pressure wasn't set right by the town shop that mounted my bindings (there was wobble) so I took the skis to an on mountain tech and he said if he touched the skis he'd have to charge, but he could just talk me through it for no charge, I imagine plenty of other techs would help you out if you just ask.

Knowing how to adjust my own bindings and forward pressure has made me realize just how often the paid techs (especially on demo days) don't actually care/notice to set your bindings properly. For that reason I think it's useful to know how yourself, rather than assume the minimum wage tech worker is actually going to do it right just because it happens to be his job. Lots of people are bad at their jobs.
May 1 2014 6:14PM
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Muggydude
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tomPietrowskiMy point was you did not actually say how to do it just how it should be set.


"AFD should be just barely touching, or up to a gap of .5mm. There is a little screw on the bottom of the AFD plate- you can see it if you are level with the ski and looking towards the tip"
If he can't figure out that he needs to turn the screw to adjust the AFD height, then he shouldn't be adjusting them himself! I guess I wasn't clear enough...
May 1 2014 6:25PM
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Lemuel
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_skierdude_does anyone have instructions on how i can do it myself my shop was gonna charge me 30 bucks for it


General rule of thumb, if you have to ask don't do it yourself.
May 1 2014 7:11PM
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Atomika09
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My mate had the same issue when I was trying his skis out and my boots were a size bigger. There is a small metal catch at the back of the heal binding. Should be close to the base of the mount. If i remember right a screwdriver pushing it up a bit will release the position that the rear binding segment is locked into allowing it to move a few cm. Should be enough to move up or down a few sizes. It should lock in when on a specific size, and if not just push the metal piece back down and you're good! :)
May 1 2014 7:13PM
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shredschralp
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tomPietrowskiThey are now though and this is the point. Threads like this may make people think they can set up there own bindings but with the half knowledge in this thread it could end up with people getting injured.

For things like bindings its just not worth messing with it. The fact no one has said correctly how to set the afd height says it all.

If nothing else at least take the skis to a shop and have the techs show you how to do it. Dont try to learn off the web, as there is loads of bad info unfortunately.


Jesus christ dude the AFD isn't rocket science to set either. Muggydude spelled it out perfectly! You're really recommending to pay to have something as simple as AFD height and fwd pressure adjusted? /joke

Also, if the previous user was using DIN soled boots and you are also using DIN soled boots no adjustments are needed!! Of course thats if it was set correctly by the previous user.


Tom Pietrowski, Official NS safety officer....
May 1 2014 8:21PM
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shredschralp
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Atomika09My mate had the same issue when I was trying his skis out and my boots were a size bigger. There is a small metal catch at the back of the heal binding. Should be close to the base of the mount. If i remember right a screwdriver pushing it up a bit will release the position that the rear binding segment is locked into allowing it to move a few cm. Should be enough to move up or down a few sizes. It should lock in when on a specific size, and if not just push the metal piece back down and you're good! :)


This is completely wrong

I think you're referring to traditional style demo binders. This is not how marker bindings, demo or regular, are adjusted
May 1 2014 8:22PM
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tomPietrowski
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Muggydude"AFD should be just barely touching, or up to a gap of .5mm. There is a little screw on the bottom of the AFD plate- you can see it if you are level with the ski and looking towards the tip"
If he can't figure out that he needs to turn the screw to adjust the AFD height, then he shouldn't be adjusting them himself! I guess I wasn't clear enough...

But it's not a screw. It's a alLen key bolt. its not like he would just figure it out. Working out you need to use a ball ended Allen key with the boot in the binding is not obvious. Whereas he just goes to a shop they show him how to do it and he is sorted for the future. i fully surport people knowing how to look after there own gear but please don't try to learn from the web. Learn from people who know what they are doing.
May 2 2014 3:28AM
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tomPietrowski
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wildmanwillieAlso, if the previous user was using DIN soled boots and you are also using DIN soled boots no adjustments are needed!! Of course thats if it was set correctly by the previous user.

This is the issue with taking advice from a thread like this. That info is incredibly wrong but unless you know about bindings you may think it was true. Like I said above I support people knowing how to look after there gear it's jut the web is not the place to learn.
May 2 2014 3:33AM
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shredschralp
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tomPietrowskiThis is the issue with taking advice from a thread like this. That info is incredibly wrong but unless you know about bindings you may think it was true.


Could you explain why my advice is incredibly wrong? Why would one DIN soled boot require a different AFD height than another DIN soled boot? Other bindings designed for DIN soles don't have adjustable AFD height(FKS/Pivot)...I suppose if the sole was worn down you would want to raise the AFD.

I'm not trying to be a jackass and am actually interested in learning and you seem to know what you're talking about.
May 2 2014 1:45PM
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tomPietrowski
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wildmanwillieCould you explain why my advice is incredibly wrong? Why would one DIN soled boot require a different AFD height than another DIN soled boot? Other bindings designed for DIN soles don't have adjustable AFD height(FKS/Pivot)...I suppose if the sole was worn down you would want to raise the AFD.

I'm not trying to be a jackass and am actually interested in learning and you seem to know what you're talking about.

Yeah no problem. The griffon is an alpine binding and as so will only accept din norm soles. So the reason the AFD is adjustable is not to allow rockered soles (only The Lord from marker can do this) it is so it can be adjusted as boots wear. Pretty much the second you walk around in your boots you will be wearing down the soles. With bindings such as Rossi for example which do not have an adjustable AFD you end up getting the loose rattlibg feeling in the toe piece. Having an adjustable AFD eliminates this as the bindings can be adjusted as the boots wear.

Any my other questions let me know.
May 2 2014 2:34PM
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shredschralp
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tomPietrowskiYeah no problem. The griffon is an alpine binding and as so will only accept din norm soles. So the reason the AFD is adjustable is not to allow rockered soles (only The Lord from marker can do this) it is so it can be adjusted as boots wear. Pretty much the second you walk around in your boots you will be wearing down the soles. With bindings such as Rossi for example which do not have an adjustable AFD you end up getting the loose rattlibg feeling in the toe piece. Having an adjustable AFD eliminates this as the bindings can be adjusted as the boots wear.

Any my other questions let me know.


I've never experienced that rattling feeling and I'm in 6 year old tecnica plug boots that have hundreds of days on them. The boots still engage the AFD on my jesters (non-adjustable AFD) effectively. I've also scrambled on a decent amount of rocks with these boots touring.

You must really need to grind those soles down.

Also you are wrong about the lord accepting rockered soles. The lord, like the solly warden, cannot accept all rockered soles. For example the scarpa maestrale and most dynafit boots will not release consistently in these bindings. The issue is not toe height, but rather the length of the heel block. I've put my maestrale RS' in dukes, which have an adjustable AFD and the same heel piece as the lords, and had them tested. They released low on the DIN torque release machine at a shop. I had to set to 12 to release consistently in the 10 range, just a heads up.
May 2 2014 8:57PM
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tomPietrowski
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wildmanwillieI've never experienced that rattling feeling and I'm in 6 year old tecnica plug boots that have hundreds of days on them. The boots still engage the AFD on my jesters (non-adjustable AFD) effectively. I've also scrambled on a decent amount of rocks with these boots touring.

You must really need to grind those soles down.

Also you are wrong about the lord accepting rockered soles. The lord, like the solly warden, cannot accept all rockered soles. For example the scarpa maestrale and most dynafit boots will not release consistently in these bindings. The issue is not toe height, but rather the length of the heel block. I've put my maestrale RS' in dukes, which have an adjustable AFD and the same heel piece as the lords, and had them tested. They released low on the DIN torque release machine at a shop. I had to set to 12 to release consistently in the 10 range, just a heads up.


Ok that makes more sense. If you have been in boots that long the soles will have been wearing down and you would have just become use to te movement in the toe. When it happens slowly it's easier to ignore the movement. But if you were to try some new boots in your bindings or you were to try your old boots in an sth for example you would notice just how much play you had.

It it was the play in the toe that made me swap from jesters. Good bindings but once you try a binding with true height adjustment you will not go back.

And as for The Lord i won't disagree that there are issues with it but it is still the only alpine binding marker make which could accept anything but din norm soles. Hopefully you will like the warden better.
May 4 2014 5:53AM
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clorox
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Anyone know the size of wrench needed to set the jester pro afd? I have always had an allen key set and just test fit them til I found one but am just gonna buy a single key cause I forgot to bring one to school and hardware stores are expensive here.
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