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*cgski*Could someone help me out!? Going to Montana for school this year and need a new pow ski. I want something that will obviously float well, charge hard, drop cliffs/jumps, and maybe some BC booters. I currently have the JMos and want to either get the Caylor of Billy Goats. I know the Caylor is more jib oriented and the Billy goat is a charger. I quess what im asking is will the Caylor float well, be good in tight stuff and generally be good skiing Bridger bowl?
iggyskierThe Jeffrey 122 (what the Caylor became) will definitely fit that role well, and we know people at Bridger and Big Sky rocking them.
It won't charge quite as hard as the Billy Goat, but it can more than holds its own and will give you the more jib-oriented feel you are used to. It is going to be better on BC booters too.
Let us know if you have any other questions.
iggyskierThe Jeffrey 122 (what the Caylor became) will definitely fit that role well, and we know people at Bridger and Big Sky rocking them.
It won't charge quite as hard as the Billy Goat, but it can more than holds its own and will give you the more jib-oriented feel you are used to. It is going to be better on BC booters too.
Let us know if you have any other questions.
wildmanwillieI'm also trying to decide between the 186 BG and the 186 jeffery 122 and have a couple questions if you don't mind.
1) Which one is quicker in the trees? I know the jeffery is flat underfoot with plenty of tip and tail rocker...but the BG has the RES tip and a narrower tail. The tail is especially narrow relative to the waist width.
2) Which ski's tail is easier to break loose in a slashed turn?
4) Do you prefer the jeffery 122 or the BG on groomers? I know neither was designed to rip groomers, I'm just wondering.
3) How far back from center are the recommended mount points for both skis?
wildmanwillieI'm also trying to decide between the 186 BG and the 186 jeffery 122 and have a couple questions if you don't mind.
1) Which one is quicker in the trees? I know the jeffery is flat underfoot with plenty of tip and tail rocker...but the BG has the RES tip and a narrower tail. The tail is especially narrow relative to the waist width.
2) Which ski's tail is easier to break loose in a slashed turn?
4) Do you prefer the jeffery 122 or the BG on groomers? I know neither was designed to rip groomers, I'm just wondering.
3) How far back from center are the recommended mount points for both skis?
dbchiliI've been insanely on the fence on whether to get a pair of 13/14 186 jeffreys (if there's any left in stock)
i currently have 181 FR's that have lots of life left, but the edges are totally dull so they're fairly shit at anything outside the park now, and a pair of 191 caylors that only get brought out on deep pow days
i mostly ride all mountain, and like to poke into the park a few times through the day. Can anyone answer if the jeffrey would be good for a 75/25 all mountain/park mix or if the kartel 106 would be worth the price difference & waiting for?
I'm fairly tempted to spring for the jeffrey, but I'm afraid they might be too similar to my caylors in terms of feeling pow dedicated, and wont provide the performance i'm looking for in the park when i want to dip in. Keep in mind whatever i get it'll be centremounted to keep it good in the park and more jib like
iggyskierBetween the two, I would personally recommend mounting around -2cm or so, that seems to be the ideal do everything point for people that like the jib a lot and where a lot of our team rides. That is about 2.25cm ahead of the standard boot center mark.
stoggiemanAm I reading this right that the recommended line on the 13/14 Jeffrey is -4.25cm from true center?
iggyskierIn the 186cm.
DeviateHi!
I'm considering a new directional freeride ski to complete my quiver. Currently running a 191 caylor from the 11/12 season as my main powder ski (which is an awesome ski btw), but would like something more forward/charge oriented. Should be able to handle groomers decently. Was thinking either 191 BG or 186 wren 112. What do you guys think? I'm 6' 180 roughly.
daveyjonesjust relooked at the catalog, and holy shit, i never realised how nice them billy goat graphic is, if i could get that on a kartel my life would be made
PudgeWhat else do you have in your quiver? What is your daily driver now?
RekkilNo more Jmo's? Shame, I was looking to pick up a pair next season
Matt.HLooking at the kartel 106 for next year, but I need some help with what length. I'm 5'7", 145 and I'm going to be skiing more all mountain. Should I go 171 or 176 and how many grizzlycorn top sheets are left? Thanks.
iggyskierWhere are you skiing? How much park?
I would probably say 176cm, though you are pretty light and I don't think the 171cm would bother you too much. What size ski are you normally on? Where do you ski?
I think we have about 12 GC topsheets left.
Thanks!
Matt.HI'm skiing mostly Vermont and then sadly some western ny later in the year but I'm planning on moving out west within the near future. I ski mostly all mtn but I try and get some park laps in when I get the chance. I'm currently skiing a 163ish Solomon that I bought a few years ago.
iggyskierYou still growing at all? Pretty strong skier?
Matt.HNah I'm stuck being kinda short and yea I'd say I'm a strong skier. Think I'm leaning towards the 176s
iggyskierI would lean that way too. They will seem long at first, but after a few days you will adjust and appreciate the longer size.
XtRemE11I could probably figure this out for myself but everyone here just seems so damn helpful so why not?
Anyway, I'm looking to replace my surface one lifes.
i've got a 3 ski quiver, so a park ski, and still trying to find a big fat, giant rocker, EP pro replacement.
so im looking for an in-between right now, something fatish that i can use in the park and all mountain, including powder days, or mixed pow/park days. pretty much want a playful, all mountain jib, surfey ski.
Im tempted to go with the 122 jeffrey because it has no camber underfoot, which i prefer. and it seems super similar to the OG hellbents which I thought were the best all mtn/park jib skis ever. and center(ish) mounted 186's would be perfect.
the kartel 106's seem like the "right ski" for an inbetween/all rounder. but i cant help but think back to how much fun my bents were for literally everything, and the jeffrey's seem pretty similar.
I dont care about hardpack "performance" i dont need my all mountain jib ski to rail GS turns, and be super stable, i want it to be good at hopping around and fucking off all over the place.
im, 5'10 155-160lbs if that helps.
iggyskierIf you have a big day ski, I don't know if I would go with a Jeffrey 122. It is a big day ski, so just seems like you would have overlap there.
If you like wider skis, go with the Jeffrey 114. If you can throw around a bigger ski like the hellbent no problem, then the Jeffrey 114 won't be too hard and it will give you a more stable, floaty platform vs the Kartel 106.
To me, the Kartel 106 is sort of the perfect everyday ski. On soft days, I would definitely lean towards the Jeffrey 114 though and if you don't care about hardpack performance, I don't see any reason not to go wider.
The one thing to note is that both the Kartel 106 and Jeffrey 114 are going to be stiffer than the hellbent, so it will take a bit more effort to push them around.
From the sound of it, I would lean Jeffrey 114. That said, the Kartel 106 is also a killer ski.
Jeffrey 114 is you want more float, stability, larger turning radius.
Kartel 106 if you want lighter weight, easier to throw around, quicker turning on hardpack, bit more jibby feel.
Hope that helps.
XtRemE11I will say my ideal ski for what im looking for would be like 110-118 waist, flat underfoot, substantial rocker, medium or medium stiff flex to where it can charge and be lively at speed, but feel really buttery, loose and surfy because of the flat/rocker.
XtRemE11I will say my ideal ski for what im looking for would be like 110-118 waist, flat underfoot, substantial rocker, medium or medium stiff flex to where it can charge and be lively at speed, but feel really buttery, loose and surfy because of the flat/rocker.
PudgeFor all intents and purposes, the 114 is flat. Are you really going to notice less than one cm of camber?
PudgeFor all intents and purposes, the 114 is flat. Are you really going to notice less than one cm of camber? Scott what is the actual dimension of camber on those?
DarthVaderContinuing the camber discussion because I feel it interesting: what specific skis are we talking about? Can you go into more detail about the 'feel' of it and what you noticed the camber doing on those specific skis? I've tested some flat and some cambered versions of some of the models being discussed, so I'm interested to hear and see if we notice similar things.
tomPietrowskiSo is the Jeffery pretty flat with not much camber? If so does it still carve ok? I'm looking at it as my every day ski and as such I really want it to still rail a carved turn on soft pack. I was liking the idea of longer turn radius and stiffer flex then the jmo but I'm not really sure I want a ski without camber as in my experience they just don't carve to well.
PudgeGuize
The TGR thread is longer than ours, and all they talk about is the Wren ):
BWalmerHave you seen the specs on the new Wren...it's amazing. I have absolutely zero use for it but I still want it. That's why it's longer...no one on NS really cares about the wren (sadly), but over there, it's the shit.
The only skis people care about here are the FR (unchanged), the prester (unchanged), the Kartel line (most of this thread), and the Jeffery line (the other ski most discussed in this thread)...it's kinda sad. When I see some BG talk pop up my ears kinda perk up a bit, haha. And I still thing people are underestimating the Steeple...
MartianManVery true. Even with coming from freestyle roots, the shapes ON3P is putting out for directional skiing are dope. Sad to see the Vicik and Tychoon go away though. But I do get that they likely didn't sell as well, and you are doing these series of two models now, which is definitely cool. I just like having a flat tailed 95mm and 106mm ski in the line. Probably good for the customer base though, no criticism.
