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mauii
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Well, it seems there have been a recent interest in computer skiing games with the improvment of DNA spin. Well, it got me thinking. We need a game made by skiers based on suggestions and input from people on here. The past few weeks iv been attempting to put something together. This however, is not something that will be done in a week or two, it is an on-going project.

Let me get to the point! I need your suggestions and input for what would want to see in a game. Understand that i have limits and am not a professional developer, so keep them realistic!

And for those that are interested in this sort of thing, this is how i am working on making it (note: this is a bunch of technical blah):

-It will be delivered in either a stand alone projector or be web based.

-This will be a realtime 3d interactive game

-The game greation will be based in 3ds and Director 3d. Models will be made in 3ds and exported for development in director with .W3D

-If you want to try and create something similar, you will need Reactor for 3Dmax. Physics are based on the Reactor/HavoK physics engine, that is available in maya, 3ds and director, alowing scenes with havok properties to be interchange. (If you want a copy of Havok/Reactor for max, i can send you a copy)

Any one who has experience in any of this who would like to give me suggestions, assistance, that would be great.

Thanks!

-Mike

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May 16 2003 10:03PM
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l_KeViN_l
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DAMN THOSE ARE SEXY..

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May 25 2003 12:46AM
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schlonginator
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nice work !!!! Keep it up - maybe when you get the basics working detail such as the types of skis would be cool. Don't know if there would be a copyright issue, but you could have a choice of either scratch, armada, pocket rockets etc..



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May 25 2003 1:04AM
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mauii
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Watch this:

Reactor Railslide Test

I didnt have to manually animate that. I just put a block at the top and let her rip and the physics engine takes care of it. Next step is ketting the IK, controls and animations in my character set up and having him do it.

-Mike

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May 25 2003 10:21AM
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QuazBotch
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hahah weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee loogatit go!!
May 25 2003 10:26AM
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lanks
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that is incredible...you're a genius. one thing that wont really matter but i noticed, i think the lighting is messed up, the shadow is brighter than its surroundings. still, thats amazing!

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May 25 2003 10:36AM
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theBOSS.
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Now I am excited...if you need any help, I have mapped and modeled for half life and counter strike and such, I could help with the levels and skiers, depending on what programs you are using to make them.
May 25 2003 10:37AM
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mauii
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yeah, lighting is a tricky thing, i still havent bothered to learn it properly. but those were just a couple of omnilights and a spotlight i threw in. The game will use global lighting

-Mike

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May 25 2003 10:37AM
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snow-bunny
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thats amazing!

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May 25 2003 10:40AM
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vegabond
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that isnt just a video u made of a plank falling is it?

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May 25 2003 11:38AM
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l_KeViN_l
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^^yea its just testing the physics of the game.. now if he can make it so he can have control of the character with the physics involved he's set.. I'm soo excited.

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May 25 2003 12:14PM
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you are my hero.
May 25 2003 1:32PM
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Mike-O
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Mauii,

don't know if this has been said already,but you should try and get some voice samples from doing a 100-ft kink rail and just yelling and shouting and of course,when you bail hard you scream hard,it would be cool to hear the agony. I always enjoy watching bails in movies,maybe i'm the onlyone,but if you could.mauii,then try sometimes.
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May 25 2003 4:04PM
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l_KeViN_l
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alright I was wondering which 3D design program you guys think is best.. I realize it's gonna take awhile for me to get good on them but looking at these hardcore rails makes me wanna get into it.. also if you kno of any tutorials/scripts that are good at teaching let me know.

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May 25 2003 4:09PM
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QuazBotch
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I like Lightwave, mauii likes 3D studio max. Just do a google search for 'Beginner Lightwave Tutorials' and 'Beginner 3D Studio Tutorials' or something like that and see which ones look easier to follow.
May 25 2003 4:23PM
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resnick13
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Haha, that piece of cardboard ate shit.

But seriously, I am so impressed with the work you have been doing.

Just remember, keep the game very basic at first, don't go all nuts with trying to create amazing features.

You can always release new versions on top of it, but I really believe a basic, easy to use game (DNA spin) is better with tons of features that was a poorly made game (Madd Trix).



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May 25 2003 4:34PM
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Bangor
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dude, that board physics test is making me drool.,.... this is going to be the best shit ever......

anyway..... I'm currently in NYC and can't get on the net with my laptop (damnit) but i'm making a couple of park layouts in AutoCAD..... It's gonna have to wait till Tues for teh upload though...

Just wondering, do you want me to load it up in AutoCAD format, or just to screenshot a couple of .JPG's?

And one other question..... can you create a loop in this game? cause i threw one into one plan.....
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alex_uk
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You have made me look so forward to this. Do you have any dates?
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May 25 2003 5:00PM
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nkmo.
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What programs do you use to play .avi files? I'm using Divx, but when I play the physics test it plays upside down and the colors are all weird.


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May 25 2003 5:23PM
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Melvs
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^^^... use windows media.

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May 25 2003 5:26PM
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CanadianSkiGod
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Mauii, good job, keep on. id like sk a few questions? is that software (3d studio max), really expensive, and those it require a lot of commitment to learn how to use it? i mean basically(other persons can aswer...), is it worth buying cause this thing kinda got me hyped about creating video games...



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May 25 2003 5:32PM
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vegabond
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if u PM me i can get u copyies of the program.. if u dont mind illegal shit.

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May 25 2003 5:50PM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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pats idea is really sick. have it so you can set tricks to certain keys after you've done them so many time on the tramp. I've got wood from that video. p.s. release things in small packages. like a rail level. because as a whole this is gonna take you a long time.
-Mike

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May 25 2003 5:57PM
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mauii
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Need2Ski69: Max can read autocad files, and i also have autocad, so you can send me those no problem.

canadianskigod: 3D max takes a bit of learning to get a hang of, but its great once you do. At first, all you can do is make premade shapes likes speres and cubes, and you wonder how its all done, A few good tutorials and books should get you there. Iv been using max since about 4 years ago, when i first used it to make levels for motocross madness. Max will cost you about $2000, maybe less if your a student, but keep in mind that it is not all you need to make games and such, it is modeling/animation software. Im sure you can find someone who has it or a place you can get it for free, because 2 grand is a bit steep. Im just happy my dad got it for me.

Also, on the game, There is a 60-70 percent chance of this all working out, so , in the unfortunate event that everything doesnt pull through, dont kill me!! Id rather not release anything than a low quality, substandard game.

-Mike

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May 25 2003 6:00PM
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mauii
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good idea mike. My first goal is to make a minigame where you grind that urban rail in the video. Then a bit more, maybe a jump or 2, then ill put it all together when im done. Dont worry, you'll get to play some of the stuff within forseeable time :D

-Mike

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May 25 2003 6:05PM
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AJ_concepts
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yeah i would say that no game is better than a shitty game
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May 25 2003 6:05PM
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Melvs
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mauii... in case of it failing.. keep everythign around, I know we have enough smart people here taht we could piece it together

don't be afraid to ask for help... we all want it.

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May 25 2003 6:06PM
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marlin_102
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^ i would say that you are wrong. a shit game is better than nothing.

mike, you are a god. im so pumped for this game. i cant believe youre doing all this work for us. thank you. this game sounds soo sick.

also, releasing a demo in the donators forum will hopefully encourage people to donate. remember kids, dontating is good!

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May 25 2003 6:13PM
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mauii
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also, i just learned that my polygon limit is not as tight as i though. Just on the subject of minimum system specs, i want to do a survey. I need to know:

Processor speed:
Ram:
Video Card:
Connection speed:

Looks like ill be creating a more lifelike character for the game!


-Mike

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May 25 2003 6:15PM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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1.8 gig
128 mb
ati rage pro 32mb
cable
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May 25 2003 6:24PM
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l_KeViN_l
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Processor speed: 1 gig
Ram: 524 (around there)
Video Card: geforce 32 mb
Connection speed: DSL

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May 25 2003 6:33PM
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FreshCoast
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Processor speed: 800 megs
Ram: 256
Video Card: 16x
Connection speed: cable
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May 25 2003 6:34PM
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SkeeOrDye
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Processor speed: 1.8 ghz
Ram: 256 mb
Video Card: 128mb Geforce 2
Connection speed: 56k
May 25 2003 6:38PM
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QuazBotch
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I am an attention h00r. Doublesided wallride/step-up funbox.


May 25 2003 7:03PM
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SkiSundownJibber
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^^^^
cool
May 25 2003 7:04PM
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Rogge
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very sick...


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May 25 2003 7:17PM
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QuazBotch
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Processor speed: 1.4Ghz
Ram: 512
Video Card: GeForce4 something
Connection speed: Cable

May 25 2003 7:26PM
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mauii
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most of you seem to have prety good systems, that givs me a lot to work with!

my system, the one things will be tested on primarily is:

t-bird 1.3ghz
512mb ram
ge-force 3 64mb
DSL

Most are prety comparable, i think ill set minimum system goals at around

300-500mhz
64mb ram
16mb video with openGL

-Mike

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May 25 2003 7:32PM
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l_KeViN_l
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sounds good.. are you still looking for park outlines? I'm sketching/scanning right now//.

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May 25 2003 7:39PM
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Matty.
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Processor speed: 2.4ghz
Ram: 528mb
Video Card: 128mb geforce 4
Connection speed: 1.2mbs

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May 25 2003 7:54PM
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SkeeOrDye
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if u need help modeling i have some experience... i did some stuff in Zmodeler for midtown madness 2, ill make some rail models when i get one of my modeling progs workn after major computer crash.
May 25 2003 9:22PM
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l_KeViN_l
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whats zmodeler?

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May 25 2003 10:25PM
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alex_uk
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Processor speed: 1.2 ghz.
Ram: 256 or 512, not sure
Video Card: 32mb
Connection speed: 512
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May 26 2003 10:07AM
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Bangor
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ok, this sucks

650 mHz
128 mb ram
enough hard drive space
and an 8mb video card

PLEASE MAKE IT SO THERE'S A HOPE FOR ME!

and the autocad thing might be a little longer, i was thinking about just sending a 2d side view, but now i'm gonna hafta fully 3d it.....

i'll probably still upload the 2d just to get an idea of what people think.
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May 26 2003 4:05PM
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Melvs
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2.4 p4
512 ddr
128 ATI radeo AIW
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May 26 2003 4:19PM
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EastCoastPride
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Mine's pretty well above some of those, so I should be fine with whatever.


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May 26 2003 4:52PM
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mattwalker
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here is my input...

you should be able to lock onto rails

you should be able to do real tricks, not just spining, and flipping and seeing what you can do, but actually making ski trick like in the Tony Hawk games, or making you be able to control yourself in the air.

It looks sweet. DO IT!!!



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May 26 2003 5:39PM
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lanks
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i disagree, i like the amped format where you combine spinning and flipping to pull off a certain trick and you have control over every aspect...i hate it when you gotta puch a preprogrammed button combination to pull off a certain trick, that would mean you couldnt turn a rodeo 5 into a rodeo 7 or anything

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May 26 2003 5:45PM
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Rogge
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yeah my processor is better than alot of that so im all set...mauii...game is gonna be sick


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May 26 2003 6:10PM
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mauii
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Time for me to call in one of those favours! I need a little hep

I need someone to model me a head for my skier, because im retarted and can't make one that looks right. Thanks A LOT to anyone who can do this for me. I dont need a super detailed/ lifelike model, just a low poly/semi low polygon model that i can use. It can either be in .3ds or .max

thanks!

-Mike

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