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mauii
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Well, it seems there have been a recent interest in computer skiing games with the improvment of DNA spin. Well, it got me thinking. We need a game made by skiers based on suggestions and input from people on here. The past few weeks iv been attempting to put something together. This however, is not something that will be done in a week or two, it is an on-going project.

Let me get to the point! I need your suggestions and input for what would want to see in a game. Understand that i have limits and am not a professional developer, so keep them realistic!

And for those that are interested in this sort of thing, this is how i am working on making it (note: this is a bunch of technical blah):

-It will be delivered in either a stand alone projector or be web based.

-This will be a realtime 3d interactive game

-The game greation will be based in 3ds and Director 3d. Models will be made in 3ds and exported for development in director with .W3D

-If you want to try and create something similar, you will need Reactor for 3Dmax. Physics are based on the Reactor/HavoK physics engine, that is available in maya, 3ds and director, alowing scenes with havok properties to be interchange. (If you want a copy of Havok/Reactor for max, i can send you a copy)

Any one who has experience in any of this who would like to give me suggestions, assistance, that would be great.

Thanks!

-Mike

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May 16 2003 10:03PM
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theBOSS.
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Like the balance in tony hawk and stuff.

Also, make it so that when you come put of a trick, you stop flipping and spin more. The one thing that bugged me about JMMT was that you just kept flipping instead of coming out of the flip and spinning. No double rodeos or mistys.
May 17 2003 8:28PM
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marlin_102
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i think there should be a button (and balance method) for rails. unlike dna spin where is more or less luck if you stay on the rail. like cruz said, have a balancing method like tony hawks. you also might want to check out some good snowboarding video games for ideas...they are good.
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May 17 2003 10:57PM
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Markman
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Awesome, I have no comment that would help but just wanted this thread in My THreads list so i could stay updated
May 17 2003 11:17PM
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GeneralDisorder
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liek in amped snowboarding on x box how you can rotatae spins after you come out of a cork or rodeo so you can take it to 900 or 1080 or 1260... just possibilities.. and when your on rails have like a the left and right balance you out.. and if you make rails take soem rails that mammoth have like a rainbow that goes into a downhill rail and maybe a rail in the middle that you have to ollie on to form either side


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May 17 2003 11:21PM
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Andy_De_Kam
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s, c, rainbow, a-frame, battleship, double barrel, stepdown, stepup, handrails...ect
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May 17 2003 11:27PM
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Bangor
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yea, i really like the no points idea..... thats just a pain in the ass

and for whoever was looking for tramopline tricks go to www.ojeling.net or .com, i'm not sure..... then click on flash speil..... its in some language that i dont know, but click on teh flash one then click around there and look for tramopline trickz or something
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May 18 2003 12:25AM
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Bangor
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yea, i really like the no points idea..... thats just a pain in the ass

and for whoever was looking for tramopline tricks go to www.ojeling.net or .com, i'm not sure..... then click on flash speil..... its in some language that i dont know, but click on teh flash one then click around there and look for tramopline trickz or something
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May 18 2003 12:26AM
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chimprevolution
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an ajustable speed of the game 'bar' would make for a user friendly interface

May 18 2003 3:46AM
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GeneralDisorder
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^^ good idea and the no points format would be sick.. we all know (hopefully) what the trick we did was hahaha


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May 18 2003 10:35AM
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Lateralis
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ya definetly like amped,going from rodeos to double fronts in one motion is the greatest format ever,and just switching up like 4 different grabs in that too,


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May 18 2003 10:41AM
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vegabond
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keep the gravity realistic.. and dont kill urself making realistic crashes.

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May 18 2003 11:14AM
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theBOSS.
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Be able to control the speed of the spin and flip. Most games you cant do that and you cant do a nice slow 3 or back, you just huck it and stop spinning at 360 if you want to three.
May 18 2003 12:48PM
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jibbomb7
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YA THAT SOUNDS SICK

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May 18 2003 12:57PM
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whashisface
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Most of the above sounds sweet. I'd like to know what trick i'm doing (i'm new to newscool and not too sure on all the tricks) but only if it's good. An urban level would be cool as would well designed levels if you have time- ones that you can do loads of transfers on. Make it simple though and not preprogrammed trick like tony hawks where it's easy to pull anything. Make the tricks rely on your balance and position like real skiing. Cheers.
May 18 2003 1:04PM
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l_KeViN_l
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dont bother going do in depth. I say make a rough version.. one run with a table. (if your using DNA spin of the platform maybe a little more hardcore) but start simple, and work your way up to rails etc.

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May 18 2003 1:42PM
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Andy_De_Kam
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everyone is saying the same damn thing now, this thread is done unless you gotta new idea
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May 18 2003 1:44PM
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mikee
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Ok, make it very easy to update. Make it like DNAspin where now everyone is making new levels and shit. People need to easily update this so we could have a gradually growing game and everytime we are getting bored or have a new idea for a level we can just tell someone who knows hteir computer shit and he or she can make it for us. Itll be better that way.

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May 18 2003 1:52PM
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QuazBotch
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heres the trampoline game

http://www.ojeling.net/default.asp?path=spela&id=10


May 18 2003 2:16PM
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(ski)
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haha, that game is pretty fun
May 18 2003 2:36PM
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Danger.
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look at aggressive inline for examples, just pretend they're on skis. they have flatspins in it by the way.

also have a screen to select clothes, skis, etc. so you can trick out your rider. also dont have the view from the side, have it from behind
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May 18 2003 3:10PM
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skinewskool
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May 18 2003 3:56PM
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mikee
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That was fnu.

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May 18 2003 4:06PM
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lineskier10
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i dont like that tramp game
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May 18 2003 4:59PM
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mommy
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yeah, that tramp game is horrible.
May 18 2003 5:25PM
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Bangor
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i think the point of that tramp game is for it to be so lame that it's cool.... like when you fall on your head, it's always funny
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May 18 2003 6:22PM
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What_A_Wookie
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being able to outfit the skier....i dont know, i kind of liked the points ystem...it would be sweet to have the rotations work like amped

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May 18 2003 6:24PM
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SkeeOrDye
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whoever sed have it like agressive inline, your retarded. you hit a button and it does a flatspin or bio for you. the spins should be like amped or dna with a third axis like someone said. it would be way more fun to have a challenge figureing out a flatspin or cork, instead of pushing 1 button to do it.
May 18 2003 7:46PM
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Melvs
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My 50 cents

-Have it be like DNA spin in that you can control the direction and type of spin. I like that more than pressing a button and doing a pre-programmed spin. It is just more realistic and entertaingin, and allows for more posssiblities.

The grabs should be pre-programed (or animated, or whatever you wanna call it), otherwise it wouldn't be to much fun.
-Have it very moddable, so us nerds here who have a good head on our shoulders can take it and make new things for it.
=-----make it so it's using common files that are editable in Zmoddler or something free (if that is possible). This way, the game can keep getting better and better.

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May 18 2003 7:52PM
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SkeeOrDye
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ya zmodeler is good, if possible use that, very easy to use and does enough to make hogh poly models
May 18 2003 7:58PM
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IHOP
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i dont know if this has been say'd but you should make it so you can spin without having to prespin......like in dna spin you can rotate up or down if you just jumped with out prespinning....this way you could do cork 3's and such
May 18 2003 8:08PM
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bfreeski
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ya the taking out of pre-spin is a good idea... fuckin cant wait for this game.... someone posted a graphic character in the pictures digital art section i think... it looks phat... id use that for ur game if he'd let u or somethin...
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May 18 2003 8:53PM
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Danger.
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i said like aggresive inline cause it just shows that if you cant figure out how to make it then just have animations. otherwise no, have it like amped.
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May 18 2003 10:11PM
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mauii
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sorry i havent replied for a while, i was gone all of the long weekend!

Anyway, these are all excellent suggestions, so let me bring you up to date.

1. The unlimited version of Havok is commercial and requires you to pay and be licensed. The version i am using is the working version. It comes free with books and on some sample CD's etc. It has the same capabilities except you are limited to 100 frames (A 3d scene in max uses 1 frame, so this is not an issue)

2. This game will be nothing like DNA spin, nor will it be based on it. This will be totally defferent and set in a fully 3d workls, not just a 3d Background type thing. Don't even think about DNA spin, this will be much more! (I hope!)

3. For those people who are interested in developing what i am able to create, ill probably make source files available since you can't reverse finished projectors. You will need at a minimum: 3d Studio max 4 or higher, The havok engine, director 8.5 or higher and The W3D exporter.

4. Someone mentuioned a trampoline game. Thats what i actually plan on making first to test the physics of everything. The game will not be unrealistic. Everything will be normally sized and gravity will be set at 9.81 m/s/s , just like on earth. Everything will have the correct mass as well. My goal is to make it as realistic as i can.

Ill be done the trampoline Mini-game in a month or so. Sorry its going to take so long, but i have a hard semester this year and lots to do with school. I plan on including a nice trampoline game with the ski game so you can dick around and learn how to throwe tricks. I plan on making the game at first with just one big air level, and then expanding it to a whole set of freeride levels.

If anyone is interested in testing, let me know.

-Mike

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May 19 2003 6:53PM
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mikee
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You just made me the most eager kid in the world. THis game is gonna be sick.

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May 19 2003 6:59PM
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B-Wald
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holy crap..
this game sounds sooo sweet so far..
the tramp idea's a really good one..
dont worry too much about gettin super complex levels out..a big air level will be more than enough to satisfy our needs..

but i second cruZ's idea to be able to control how fast you want to spin..that'd be awesome..
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May 19 2003 7:25PM
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Melvs
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definitly sick... keep it up mauii

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May 19 2003 8:15PM
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Rogge
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keep us posted man...this game sounds sooo fucking sweet.....ill be looking forward do many rainy days.....make sure the game is downloadble so you dont need to use the internet in order to play it i.e. DNA SPIN....sounds sooo good man


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May 19 2003 8:16PM
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QuazBotch
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Keep us updated.

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May 19 2003 8:20PM
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theBOSS.
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One more thing...once you get it devolped a little try to get the models to be more realistic. Like in FFC, the skiers look like cartoons. Stay away from that if you can.
May 19 2003 8:26PM
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spin
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stick it on java so mac users like me can use it too & can u see if u can email me a copy of 3d max and the reactor?
my email is spin@gmavt.net
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May 19 2003 9:44PM
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mauii
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i unfortunately cant just stick it on java, because it is an different language and an entirely different system. I would have to make the game all over agin in a language i dont understand. Shockwave should work for mac with no problems. I cant just mail you a copy of max and reactor bacause A) Max is almost 200mb, second, they are both protected with thick licensing systems. Normally i dont have a problem with giving people programs for free, but these are a few that i would rather see someone pay for. Also, You can get a free version of reactor if you already have max that has decent capabilities.

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May 19 2003 10:16PM
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Bangor
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gahhh!! not java..... it's a pain....

doesn't OpenGL work on Mac's too? cause thats a better engine that java anyway
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May 19 2003 10:27PM
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lanks
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i can test if u want

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May 19 2003 10:51PM
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mauii
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a

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May 20 2003 5:28PM
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alex_uk
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I remember a while back you made some big air jumps on 3dsmax and posted them, wil they be included? Also I am more that eager to test. xiphil at hotmail dot com
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May 22 2003 10:42AM
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Rogge
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when is this game gonna be out?



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May 22 2003 2:26PM
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lineskier10
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ummmm dibs testing it
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May 22 2003 2:52PM
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theBOSS.
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You guys have to calm down and be patient. Whne I was doing DNA 2.0 There were a million people bugging me, it really pisses you off. You need to understand that a lot of time is put into this kinda stuff, and you have to wait a while in order to get the best result.
May 22 2003 2:57PM
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lineskier10
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im patient, sorry cruz, please dont hurt me, ill never do it again
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