Site where jesus cure the blind man was found.

Actually it was 365.22, hehe.

Good question though.

We are the resistance, our last line of defense. Bred to fight for our promised land. Rebels at heart they will hunt us till the ends of the earth.

time means nothing. its man made.

so without mankind, time wouldn't exist? hardly.


-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~
Capital City Rider, DFP
Silent Army

'Everybody calls me a zero. But I'm an internet hero.'

exactly...

so if there were every other living animal, but humans, there would be no such thing as time?


-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~
Capital City Rider, DFP
Silent Army

'Everybody calls me a zero. But I'm an internet hero.'

hahahaha so true

it sucks that religion places so much importance on humans. the world would actually be a better place if we were never here.




'Has you ever had an abortion? Surely you should try something before you say it is bad. Because I was very anti-Burger King, but then I went there and I had the flame grilled, ain't it, and you know it was like amazing.'-Ali G

I could have sworn it was 365.24....

Like a virgin on promnight!

-ThomSavery
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DL.

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

lanks, yes. time was created by man.

Im sorry, But I dont understand that one. Are you trying to sat that time wouldnt exist because we woudlnt be here to precive it?

Like a virgin on promnight!

-ThomSavery
please pardon the cacography.
CCR
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DL.

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

hey simon, remember me?

you have not attacked anything that i said about your propositions. you have not provided any counter argument to what i have said. you have not posted any source (ie Bible references) to your accustaions. you continue to speak in absolutes. and for a college dude, you don't spell "piece" of mind right.

so 3 things. either you are so confident you have proven an irrefutable point and so indoctrinated and biased about what you believe that you deem it unnecessary to come up with any other backing to what you said than some trivial little jabs and absolutes you have no way of actually proving.

or you actually don't have any backbone to what you have said, cannot or do not want to continue discussing a rather important assumption that you are making, and shy away from anything but your own support.

or 3 you commit a huge logical fallacy in thinking you waste your time with this 16 year old who knows nothing, and "hey, i went to college, he didn't".

well come on man! bring it! i have yet to hear any counter argument from you on my last post.

also, let me say that you guyses sorry little cookie cutter one liners are appaling and pathetic.

Steeze Patrol, nice one. i would like to say that any one that cannot back his argument in the least is, as you say a "moron", and that the assumption that bright christian minds and scholars are morons because you deem them to be so is absurd. i notice you didn't call anyone with another faith morons. maybe the muslims are. the orthodox christians? how about the Hindus? don't forget the atheists!

sheesh, get some backbone. just because you are afraid of faith doesn't make spiritual people morons.

and finally, simon, how exactly does the Jewish faith thinking the Messiah hasn't come yet as opposed to the Evangelicals who do not make sense? if i remember, historicaly, the Jews would have the blood of Christ on their hands (not saying anything about them still having that shame, just historicaly), right? so therefore its better to ignore that one for them.

honestly.

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!

nah, he said we invented it, since we are the only ones who measure it... cause we know slightly more than the average insect...

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!

People who love religious arguments spend their time attacking their opponents' beliefs without offering anything positive. You can never quite figure out what they believe

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"I realize the filming is garbage, but we were 2 guys filming our buddy fuck a milf, trying not to get caught." -skiinsted

i'm not sure i understand the context of your question ...

how exactly does the Jewish faith thinking the Messiah hasn't come yet as opposed to the Evangelicals who do not make sense?

what about making sense?

humans didn't invent time. we invented a way to measure time.

you say time as if it means life. they are two different things. time is a manmade measurement. thats it.

So are you saying that If we wernt here there would be no Distance between two things?

Like a virgin on promnight!

-ThomSavery
please pardon the cacography.
CCR
PPP
DL.

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

without time, yes. there would be no scale to put life on, which is what time is. with time, comes math, without math we have no way to set parameters on anything. the awesome part about math is that it is amazing pertinent to life. everything can be explained with math, its almost eerie to me. its almost as if something created life based on math and we are slowly figuring it out. even the bible, which i am a huge critic of, has been cross checked with math and its actually scary to consider the coincidence associated with it.

I still dont understand how your Not saying that time only exists because we are here to precive it.

If there was nothing to precive it, it would still be, just nothing would be conciouncious of the fact that it was. you know?

We measure time just as we mesure distance. If we were not around, there would still be vastly huge amounts of space everywhere. Just there would be nothing concious to that fact.

Like a virgin on promnight!

-ThomSavery
please pardon the cacography.
CCR
PPP
DL.

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

your right, i'm not saying life wouldn't go on. i'm saying time, as a measurement, wouldn't exist. as long as life exists in a cause and effect relationship, time as you put it, will exist. without cause and effect, there would be nothingness.

Its not that there would be nothing, Things would still exist, We just wouldnt be around to precive them. In that senario, we are the only ones who are reduced to nothing. Everything else stays constant.

Like a virgin on promnight!

-ThomSavery
please pardon the cacography.
CCR
PPP
DL.

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

okay heres my personal opinion on time as i know it. taking myself out of the time picture and imagining a rock on earth, that rock or its constituents would still progress through the universe linearly (whether I'm here or not), but that's just my thought - no proof of course.
I've often thought of the life of a fly. tts lifespan is much shorter than ours avg. 37 days. tts metabolic rate is much higher. ever wondered how they can evade you so easily. it's easy, it lives in sloooow motion! its 37 days of lifetime could quite easily be equivalent to our avg lifespan. time goes slower for us when we're younger - our metabolic rate is higher. as we get older metabolism slows and time for us speeds up. this could also explain why sometimes time seems to go faster and sometimes slower. we invented and defined the word 'time' but not the 4th dimension (time). it is quite possible that if you were an onlooker from the outside of the universe (and outside the 4th dimension) that the lifetime of the universe would just be a fraction of a second (perhaps the fundamental planck time) and it would seem as though everything in the universe happened at once BUT because we live within the 4th dimension we perceive time based on our own make up (or any living - perception-capable organism). this still doesn't mean that we invented time just the WORD, DEFINITION, MEASURE and we are at the mercy of our perception of it. enough ranting...have you heard of the hafele-keating experiment?

almostaskier....quite bluntly you are intellectually insuperior to the likes of simon and apple

and big words

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that's going to be one fucked up kid.....probably find her on ns sometime soon. - lorida

That's exactly what I was thinking the other night when I was watching fireworks. For a quick though piece i was thinking about the size of the universe and the life of it.
Think about a really small organism.. really tiny that we can observe. How big are we to it?? pretty fucking huge. Then think about what we think is big - say the earth or the distance between cities. What if we were shrunk down to that size and could still measure things - our earth would appear absolutely massive - probably endless - like the way we percive what space is -- except space is a big vacuum. something that small has absolutely no idea what we are either. anyways, then back to the fireworks - it really fits into the time discussion. what if our blowing up of a firework there's minute life that we can't even observe because it exists for a millionth of a fraction of a second in our time. but for this life that exists for so short of a time for us, it actually exists for billions and billions of years relative to its time -- what we're observing is like the birth and death of universes..
so who's our ultimate observer?? is it a carnie with a lighter??

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"I realize the filming is garbage, but we were 2 guys filming our buddy fuck a milf, trying not to get caught." -skiinsted

nah, almostaskier posed some good questions.

badfish...i can tell you understand what i'm saying.

which you have not yet answered, nor posed any kind of response to.

im pretty annoyed actually, that you refuse to give any proof other than what you believe based on what you studied. you have completely avoided my questions about why you think the Bible is a farce, and thats weird, because you studied this for a year and so sure about as to speak in absolutes.

please give bible references to your arguments, to be evaluated. you have not proven anything, just pronounced it. this was about the Bible, not the relativity of time.

also, i do'nt believe there is an equation that can predict human logic. i would thnk thats impossible, so not everything can be mathematical. but you do say 'its as if something created it with math", well, whos to say nothing did? thats proof for intelligent design, dontchathink?

and steeze patrol, dear steeze patrol, you are "insuperiorly" inferior to me as of now, until further notice. grow up kid. i never said i was intellectually superior or inferior to anyone here. oh yeah, and to prove that: i fart in your general direction. if you are afraid and have insecurity about dealing with religion, well, cry me a river.

good day.


- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!

^sorry...i thought i PM'd you a bunch of stuff i had in my notes. did i not?

hey, why is the burdon of proof always on the non-bible thumpers?? I would think that it should be on the person trying to explain to the skeptics. Go ahead, PROVE existence of a higher being.. i have heard no solid proof from you. Other theories -- and yes about our discussion on time -- are just as credible as a book that until recent times (read: post 1440s) was only truly accessible to the wealthy and copied by hand by clerics -- to their liking no less -- and serves/ed as a crutch for people to help explain the unexplainable. You can see the stars in the sky and measure with very good certainty the amount of time that it took to get here from another side of the universe which far exceeds any biblical approximation on the date of the earth.

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"I realize the filming is garbage, but we were 2 guys filming our buddy fuck a milf, trying not to get caught." -skiinsted

^almostaskier doesnt want to hear that.

i think the skeptics who aren't afraid to put their beliefs on the back burner, in order to learn something new, are doing exactly what is expected of us. we are programmed to ask why, its our nature. to be so narrowminded in your beliefs, that you forget to ask why, is not called faith, its called stupidity. i'm not saying i'm marx, i'm saying this is what i believe. time has much to do with religion almostaskier, thats why it was brought up.

If he did answer them, would it change anything for you? Probably not. Not trying to be an ass-hole to you but, it seems you would not be willing to accept answers if they weren't what you believe. You need to stop acting with slight anger in your posts and just defending your beliefs. Compare ideas and beliefs instead of just defending them .

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if God was to create stars and light in a six day creation sense, he'd have created it so that the light was already available, and had already travelled to earth. he wouldn't have just started the process of stars being born and waited the millions of years for light to actually get here, all the while having made plants, and animals a few days later, who would have died out immediatly due to no light. thats the creationist take on the subject of light years, and stars, etc.


-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~
Capital City Rider, DFP
Silent Army

'Everybody calls me a zero. But I'm an internet hero.'

how do you know what i want to hear, and what i don't? i won't shy away and avoid the subject, ever. thank you for your high and mighty remarks.

badfish2, major problem: when asked for proof about someones opinion, it is up to them, not the one advancing the oppostion, to prove themselves right. no matter where it come from, you should defend your own opinion against crtisiscm, not turn around asking "well, what you got?".

as for proof of a creator? my very own existence, the creation all around us, the perfection of DNA and structure in the universe, the fact that we are even having this conversation, the perfect placement of our planet in the universe so as to sustain life, the fact that all things that we know are made of the same basic materials, the laws of physics that allow so much to happen, moral issues such as guilt for killing another being, the thought process and the appreciation of beauty we have, the fact that we have a very high sense of IS as opposed to what we think SHOULD BE (something very counter intuitive if you think in terms of us only being blobs of chance), the fact that this world is too complex, structured and vaste so as to be the product of a non thinking wasteful and completely devoid of plan natural process set forth by random utter chance, the fact that nothing can appear out of nothing, the fact that no one has ever managed to recreate any kind of life out of nothing, nor out of the building blocks of all things, the fact that we experience emotions, the fact that we have an awareness of death and our utter demise.... i can go on forever on this.

and bobdole: i have a general ras le bol of random people spouting off highly educated OPINIONS stated as fact and unchanging and without any shadow of a doubt, when actually these opinion have no basis, or a very shallow research in the case of what SimonFiller sent me, and should only be brough forth as an opinion, nothing else, and when challenged explained and not avoided.

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!

wow, did you say the perfection of DNA?

almostaskier...the point people are making about your responses are that you are driven purely by emotion because your either afraid of religion or just narrowminded by nature. i don't care what you believe thats just how you come off. emotion clouds reason. open your eyes, it won't hurt you to consider other types of logic. last i checked that didn't make you an athiest.

allmostaskiier, instead of trying to get someone to prove the bible is right, you show is 100% solid proof that its wrong, and guess what, all books of religion are based in something that cant be refuted or proven not just the bible. because everyone makes up there own bullshit so they can sleep at night and die in peace. also mosed non biased religous scholars would concur that the bible is fictional tales spun by "apostles"who truly existed in order to get there faith more mainstream , considering christianity was a bludgeoned faith for so long. so give me proof that your right and ill give you proof that your wrong.

^right on

afte reading that post, you've become the coolest person on here, in my opinion.

but with the whole perfection of DNA subject, i think he's referring to the idea that many christians, and deists alike use as proof of their faith. the idea that the world and everything in it are so perfect that it's hard to believe that it wasn't created by something. not that dna in any person or thing in particular is perfect, but that the process itself is perfect. which really doesn't make sense as an argument for christians (evolution and the like), but it works well for a deist or some other belief of the like. i really don't understand why he used it as an argument pro-christianity.

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i see what your saying...i understood what he was saying, i just think its a poor argument because in my opinion, our DNA is far from perfect. perfection is relative because we have nothing to base it on. if God is perfect, then even describing humans as imperfect would be an understatement.

i totally agree with you. i just didn't know if you knew what he was saying. i thought you thought he was saying that our dna itself was perfect.

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why do you talk as if im not here?

as for using DNA as an argument for creationism, consider:
the phosphate group, the pentose sugar and the nitogenous base need to be complimentarily paired to another nucleotide within the double helix formation to even function. for it to code for anything, these base pairs need to have been able to be complimentarily paired in the first place, how did a random process manage to create something like that? secondly, it needs to be able to replicate itself, therefore it needs an enzyme to break it up, and the polumerse to bond the bases to the strand and close it up. these need to be perefectly made to that end, and coded for originaly for it to be able to replicate; so how did a random process make it so that something that has yet to exist be able to make an enzyme from its bases along with the countless other mRNA and ribosomes you need to make the enzyme to make it able to replicate without it being able to know anything of what it is supposed to do since it has just now been brough into existence? i read that the chances of the elements to come together, assuming they were already there and ready for it and exactly the way they need to be, and to be in the double helix formation is like 1 to 10 to the power of 63... impossible odds if you add all other things, like them being there in the first place. all in all, the process of DNA and what it codes for (the diversity of this world) is simply astounding, and for me points to an Almighty Creator.

and so, with one little thing about DNA, you manage to disregard and face all the other examples i mentionned...

as for proof for the Bible: i believe in the biblical account for creation, as do many scientists (Micheal denton:evolution, a theory in crisis, 50 formerly evolutionnist scientists In six days, why 50 scientists decided to belive in Creation), and im encouraged that i have never heard of a christian scientist renouce his faith after a discovery in his field or an oberservation of nature on his part. i believe in the biblical account for a young earth (see lanks' post about dust on the moon, and that carbon dating gives off helium, whose rate is known, and that has not dissapeared in the amount it should have in rock with the billion year time scale).

i believe that when studied objectively and logicaly, the worlds diversity is only explained by a Creator, when you consider all the variables that mathematicaly give us odds for existing, they are small, very very very small. i believe that creation is the highest proof for God: "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." romans 1:20

i believ that the proof for the biblical account for history is archaeologic: seashells on the tops of mountains, evidence for mass burial of creatures (the fossil record) in sedimentary rock coinciding with a mass flood, archeaological evidence for the biblical account of pharrows in egypt, historians of rome accounting for the life of Jesus, his Miracles and his Resurrection ( a historian explained that the Roimans not finding the body was crucial: if the body was still there, or found to be stolen the Romans had all the excuse in the world to make that public. they never found anything, and not for lack of searching).


i believe that there is a longing in all of us for something else, for something higher than ourselves. for some this is science, others money. i believe that there is wanting in this world to find God.
i believe that there is a right, and a wrong. why, if all is nothing but a cosmic accident, do i think that although this IS what i am doing, it IS NOT AS IT SHOULD BE. this is against all logic or chance, seeing as total anarchy wouldn't be a moral dilemma if something hadn't impressed morals upon us, and this is our conscience. i believe that God has given us this conscience, so as to hold ourselves accountable for our actions. that is why no one can convince me that we are only animals. we know right from wrong, and feel amotions about our actions. this shoudl not be (there it is again) natural, if it were all instinct.

i believe the very fact that we are discussing our origins and God proves my point and His existence

here is why i am so vocal and "emotional" about all of this: it deals with Truth.
we cannot both be right, since we are contradictory to each other. therefore, someone is right, the other is wrong. i do not believe to be wrong, and i don't take lightly to someone making assumptions and wild commentary about what i beleieve to be true, and i believe i have the capabilitiy of giving my opinion so as to halp others make up their own minds on the matter. no one side shoudl be the only one brough forth, and opinions with faulty logic and raguments baking them distributed as absolutes are unfair to everyone involved.

i beleive that there is Truth, and that what i beleive and what the Bible says about God is the Truth. i defend this truth, for it is what i believe. if iget vocal about it, is because we cannot all be right, and i wish to state my case.

i am young and immature, so if i have acted in tactless fashion with my emotions as i type and have offended anyone, i am sorry. if i have insulted anyone, i am sorry.

i just beleieve i need to get this message and my point of view out, as it is to often and too easily ridiculed and too wrongly ridiculed.

and in the end, to anyone who hates me, we will all find out who was right in the end, right?

i have stated my case.
peace out.

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!

throught out this thread so far, I have seen Almostaskiier put forth a solid argument which has only been met by "your afriad, Your wont accept and you dont want to hear it" And its not like he wont accept it or he is afraif or he doesnt want to hear it, because he keeps asking again and again for you to prove him wrong, and you arnt. If this was a debate, Almostaskiier would win, hands down.

You kids need to stop attacking him and start defending your own belifes.

Like a virgin on promnight!

-ThomSavery
please pardon the cacography.
CCR
PPP
DL.

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

i PM'd him a bunch of shit....should have probably just posted it here.

why dont you post it here now, so that the rest of us who are intrested can see it as well.

Like a virgin on promnight!

-ThomSavery
please pardon the cacography.
CCR
PPP
DL.

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

the theory of time is manmade dude. thats like there is no clock on earth that has the exact right time. It may have the right time in human standards, but how could u ever put the right time on something? what about before any time keeping devices were made?

-marsh-
well I was gonna photoshop her shoulders and head on Ron Jeremy's body, but Im afraid to google images of Ron Jeremy.-tanankaskier


The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms!
~patrick henry

sorry dude, but mormons dont think he already came... youre thinking of jehovas witnesses.


now try this traslation:

steeze patrol (moron) generalizes all members of certain religions, even provided that all the religions mentioned have memberships in the millions.

steeze patrol (moron) wont know hes a generalizing hypocritical idiot until hes dead, and then wishes that he hadnt been.

you see friend, that by insinuating that peoples of religious faith are morons, you have to be placing yourself in a pretty high position. youre saying that you, a random kid on NS are smarter, and have more common sense than countless holders of doctorate degrees and nobel prize winners. thats a hell of a place to be putting yourself.

now, if youre not religious, thats fine. but to generalize all religious people as morons is an insrcutable qualifier of your mindset (that of a dolt), and a great way to tell other people, in effect:

"hey, guys! guess what!? im a close minded haughty swineherd!"

Mercy's eyes are blue When she places them in front of you Nothing holds a roman candle to The solemn warmth you feel inside

dude, your totally wrong...sorry, but i gotta call ya out. they believe that jesus came to mmerica after his resurrection where he performed miracles, delivered a sermon similar to the beatitudes and selected twelve disciples from the nephite tribe.

how do you know religious people aren't morons? thats just his opinion. he might actually be right in saying that. perhaps the creator wanted to see how many people would fall for some sort of false security.

Almostaskier, Give me some kind of scientific proof, some kind of experiment or fact, ANYTHING that supports any kind of intelligent design/creationist idea.

I don't want to hear all this "it's so perfect it can't be explained" bullshit. You use that as an excuse to support your opinion and present this stuff to us as if it was a fact.

Well, in the scientific world, we use something else to support our hypotheses, and they're called FACTS. Proven through hundreds of experiments and archeological findings that counter everything you stand for. Sure, many theories may not be proven completely, but at least we offer some undeniable evidence to support our cause instead of spitting out this garbage about how life is so complex that ONLY this could have created it.

Creationists are the first to point out that the evolutionary theory is simply that; a theory. But, as far as I've seen, it is the best explination to explain where we are today. There are so many experiments and findings that help to support, maybe not prove completely, but provide some undeniable evidence that evolution is plausible. So far I've seen nothing from you that even convinces me in any way.


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bogart!

scources informed me that they found the garden of eden as well

^ha...i'd like to know how they verified that