who are you to tell people what to do with their property.

Hasn't mount hood been doing this forever? Idgi

who cares the world is gunna end soon anyway

What's the repercussions of destroying glaciers?

Farmville420Hasn't mount hood been doing this forever? Idgi

Mount hood is a snow field, not a glacier. Big difference.

quintcorkWhat's the repercussions of destroying glaciers?

I'm guessing it has to do with the whole climate change thing and how glaciers are already disappearing, melting away and raising the ocean levels. Maybe they just wanna look at it every day.

whomp whomp whomp

The glaciers will all be gone in 20 years anyway so it's kind of a moot point.

eheathI'm guessing it has to do with the whole climate change thing and how glaciers are already disappearing, melting away and raising the ocean levels. Maybe they just wanna look at it every day.

Glacial melt is a primary source of drinking water in many higher altitudes; Bolivia is already dealing with severe droughts as a result of losing their ice fields and glaciers over the past 40 years. In turn this drives people who rely on agriculture into the service economies of the cities, driving up costs of living and straining the cities already drought-prone water systems. Strains like that cause migration, overwhelming neighboring countries’ own infrastructure as well.

Idk about land ownership for these resorts (used to the US where many resorts lease the land from the federal government) but if I was a Swiss citizen concerned about things like drought and water supply I’d see this in the same vein as a business dumping toxic waste into a public water supply.

It’s putting short term profits over the business and society it trades in’s long term stability and survival.

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Goretex_VidalGlacial melt is a primary source of drinking water in many higher altitudes; Bolivia is already dealing with severe droughts as a result of losing their ice fields and glaciers over the past 40 years. In turn this drives people who rely on agriculture into the service economies of the cities, driving up costs of living and straining the cities already drought-prone water systems. Strains like that cause migration, overwhelming neighboring countries’ own infrastructure as well.

Idk about land ownership for these resorts (used to the US where many resorts lease the land from the federal government) but if I was a Swiss citizen concerned about things like drought and water supply I’d see this in the same vein as a business dumping toxic waste into a public water supply.

It’s putting short term profits over the business and society it trades in’s long term stability and survival.

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**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2023 at 12:25:23pm

Thanks for the info my man.

eheathI'm guessing it has to do with the whole climate change thing and how glaciers are already disappearing, melting away and raising the ocean levels. Maybe they just wanna look at it every day.

Ahh gotcha. Ngl glaciers look cool... Skiing is cooler.

eheathMount hood is a snow field, not a glacier. Big difference.

Gotcha

RIP_leos_shackThe glaciers will all be gone in 20 years anyway so it's kind of a moot point.

they've been saying that since 1980 zlawg 💀💀💀

For people wondering why glacier destruction is a big deal, here's a pretty short blurb that goes over some of the impacts. Glaciers do a little more than just look cool.

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-are-impacts-glacier-loss-other-losing-aesthetic-landscape-feature

The gist is it fucks up the ecosystem which in turn fucks up human health/culture.

Pro skiing is whack as fuck. Nothing worse than being at a resort hosting an event and that shit is closed especially early season. This will be my first winter renting a place in Killington so I know the womens event on Superstar will annoy the fuck out of me. I visited Beaver Creek one year they had full coverage anyways and arrived the day that lame shit ended. Anyhow the patrollers are like 'nah it takes a while to take everything down and we want to save the snow for Christmas crowds this part of the hill isn't opening for a few weeks.' Absolute fucking cunts.

The minor league FWT event was whack as shit too when I was at Taos just rich kids whos parents paid to be there snowboarding and the womens events were extremely lame and mens skiing kind of sucked too they all did the same line.

SteezyYeeterthey've been saying that since 1980 zlawg 💀💀💀

I think they were worried about global freezing and another ice age in 1980.

There are some elements of the climate change topic that are overblown. Glacial melt absolutely is not one of them.

Do POW athletes still go heli skiing

Anybody who knows anything about how glaciers work knows this will for sure make it melt faster, which is bad. Filling in crevasses seems chill though I think that would actually make it melt slower? Less water penetrating to the bottom of the glacier = less melt, someone who is glaciology expert correct me though

Farmville420Hasn't mount hood been doing this forever? Idgi

eheathMount hood is a snow field, not a glacier. Big difference.

To clarify this, a glacier is basically a river of ice that moves under its own weight, it takes thousands of years to develop, whereas a snowfield is just a big pile of snow left over from winter

PeppermillRenoI think they were worried about global freezing and another ice age in 1980.

There are some elements of the climate change topic that are overblown. Glacial melt absolutely is not one of them.

valid. im just here saying that they'll still be here in 20 years 🙋

either way they shouldn't be destroying them

SteezyYeetervalid. im just here saying that they'll still be here in 20 years 🙋

either way they shouldn't be destroying them

I have seen glaciers disappear myself. Several glaciers in Austria I walked over during alpine climbing courses when I was 12-15 are gone. And those were still big and deep / thick glaciers back then. Gone in 15/20 years even with solid snow cover each year.

b0sswho are you to tell people what to do with their property.

Not their property.

FIS should accept they can not organise events that early in the season.

hi_vis360Anybody who knows anything about how glaciers work knows this will for sure make it melt faster, which is bad. Filling in crevasses seems chill though I think that would actually make it melt slower? Less water penetrating to the bottom of the glacier = less melt, someone who is glaciology expert correct me though

Interesting point. I dont know.

While I’m not a glaciologist, I kinda doubt that this has much effect on the glacier itself, all the photos look like they’re just moving around some nevé and firn around to fill in some crevasses and build a race course, I highly doubt they’re digging away at the actual ice itself. It’s October, whatever ice they exposed won’t melt much before winter comes. Definitely will disrupt the ice formation in the areas they stripped snow from but I’d guess that in a few years enough firn accumulates to make it unnoticeable. Plus they’re pilling up the snow they dug up in other spots, kinda negating the whole thing. The glaciers are still screwed unfortunately and FIS still sucks but like this probably isn’t gonna have much of a meaningful effect on the glacier

PeppermillRenoThe minor league FWT event was whack as shit too when I was at Taos just rich kids whos parents paid to be there snowboarding and the womens events were extremely lame and mens skiing kind of sucked too they all did the same line.

I love the FWT and watch the ski men in every comp. But the women and boarders sections are super weak by comparison though. It's like almost all of the women and boarders that are good at big mountain just get movie deals instead and ditch the comp circuit so it's way less competitive overall

SlushSeasonI love the FWT and watch the ski men in every comp. But the women and boarders sections are super weak by comparison though. It's like almost all of the women and boarders that are good at big mountain just get movie deals instead and ditch the comp circuit so it's way less competitive overall

Agree. I watch the mens big league FWT every event as well. I thought the minor league qualifier tour would be way better than it was.

Fast forward through the other three always and I bet everyone else does. The tour would be excellent and have way more stops if it wasn't for snowboarding it really sucks.

https://snowbrains.com/diavolezza-ski-area-switzerland-postpones-season-opening-by-a-week-due-to-lack-of-snow/

Oh look the public can't ski but pro training academies can. They are absolute scum cancel these stupid early preseason events and let these shitheads do dry land training stop fucking over customers who buy passes to these hills.

SteezyYeetervalid. im just here saying that they'll still be here in 20 years 🙋

either way they shouldn't be destroying them

FIS can start holding events in South America and then take a break until conditions allow fuck them for doing this.

Ski resorts closed with way more coverage last year than ever and Mammoth stayed open until August. Its never gonna not snow.

Until the media starts to call out elites like Taylor Swift for their private jet usage and we have them all flying to climate summits in their jets regular people should ignore it and push back against it. I mean its not like everyone who relies on the Colorado River that is almost gone for survival can just up and move.

Hopefully we just cloud seed to the extreme and ski resorts get more snow than ever. Probably the only realistic solution.

GhiniNot their property.

FIS should accept they can not organise events that early in the season.

They can tho. They actually can. They have in the past and are doing it now. You have to accept.

When I was in Zermatt at the beginning of the month there was a lot of talk about how much the glaciers had shrank over the years. Saw a couple excavators digging out snow too.

FIS response to POW petition:

https://www.fis-ski.com/en/international-ski-federation/news-multimedia/news-2022/fis-response-to-pow-petition

Shows perfectly the current state of mind of the FIS.

Some of you might have forgotten, but FIS now owns the FWT..

eheathMount hood is a snow field, not a glacier. Big difference.

Ummmmmmm which is the skiing part?

https://www.usgs.gov/volcanoes/mount-hood/glaciers-mount-hood-oregon

Golden_JoeUmmmmmmm which is the skiing part?

https://www.usgs.gov/volcanoes/mount-hood/glaciers-mount-hood-oregon

Palmer snowfield

the worst part is that they're doing it for racing. racing is so boring. i don't know how people could do it. sooooo laaaammmee

quintcorkWhat's the repercussions of destroying glaciers?

No more gacier😕

hi_vis360Anybody who knows anything about how glaciers work knows this will for sure make it melt faster, which is bad. Filling in crevasses seems chill though I think that would actually make it melt slower? Less water penetrating to the bottom of the glacier = less melt, someone who is glaciology expert correct me though

Sorry to tell ya man but glaciologists do NOT waste their Time on NS

JesusOnTopSorry to tell ya man but glaciologists do NOT waste their Time on NS

Honestly of any type of scientist to find on here that seems like one of the more likely ones

Skipow907While I’m not a glaciologist, I kinda doubt that this has much effect on the glacier itself, all the photos look like they’re just moving around some nevé and firn around to fill in some crevasses and build a race course, I highly doubt they’re digging away at the actual ice itself. It’s October, whatever ice they exposed won’t melt much before winter comes. Definitely will disrupt the ice formation in the areas they stripped snow from but I’d guess that in a few years enough firn accumulates to make it unnoticeable. Plus they’re pilling up the snow they dug up in other spots, kinda negating the whole thing. The glaciers are still screwed unfortunately and FIS still sucks but like this probably isn’t gonna have much of a meaningful effect on the glacier

Well, snow ≠ glacier ice. The ice on a glacier takes a long time to form (depending on the circumstances like temperatures and dynamics of the glacier). Snow can be penetrated way better by liquid precipitation than ice. Furthermore, taking ice out of a glacier always destabilize the glacier itself. If you have a small glacier and take out the ice and spread it, you enlarge its surface so it melts faster (same as snow piles in winter, they melt slower in the sun).

Another point is, that glaciers kind of "hold up" loose material on the sidewalls of its bed. So if the glacier is gone, rockfalls are way more likely. So yes, I'd say, digging up glaciers is indeed a problem. You're taking away material that took decades to form and grind it up and spread it out so that the sun just melts it away.

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kobajaki.mazuWell, snow ≠ glacier ice. The ice on a glacier takes a long time to form (depending on the circumstances like temperatures and dynamics of the glacier). Snow can be penetrated way better by liquid precipitation than ice. Furthermore, taking ice out of a glacier always destabilize the glacier itself. If you have a small glacier and take out the ice and spread it, you enlarge its surface so it melts faster (same as snow piles in winter, they melt slower in the sun).

Another point is, that glaciers kind of "hold up" loose material on the sidewalls of its bed. So if the glacier is gone, rockfalls are way more likely. So yes, I'd say, digging up glaciers is indeed a problem. You're taking away material that took decades to form and grind it up and spread it out so that the sun just melts it away.

**This post was edited on Oct 27th 2023 at 3:30:30am

Furthermore, accumulation does not take place since quite some time in Europe (the mass balance of the glaciers is negative and a excavation increases the loss). Note that for an increase of the glaciers mass balance you need to have a snow cover of 70% of the glaciers surface (+ the water equivalent of the snow cover has to be bigger than the water equivalent the glacier has lost in the year before) at the end of the glaciological year (end of August, but i can't remember exactly). And that is not happening at all. Plus, the excavated area can accumulate liquid precipitation (that was happening quite often this year, because the snow line was pretty high), which can start to melt the glaciers ice.

"Moving snow around" is a problem, because technically snow is not a glacier. The definition of a glacier includes that it has to be a dynamic system (A glacier that has ceased to flow is termed stagnant or dead. https://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Glacier).

(I had to do a second post, idk why I couldn't edit the one above)

b0sswho are you to tell people what to do with their property.

It’s not their fucking property. You can’t just own a mountain. They don’t even own it legally in most cases.. most resorts are public property and they get permission to run lifts and lodges.. in reality that’s all they really own..

FrombrumtobrazilIt’s not their fucking property. You can’t just own a mountain.

yeah you can lol

Just to piss off everyone in this thread, Im gonna take a hot shower and drive my car to work.