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Turd__AuthorityIT'S A GATEWAY DRUG! GATEWAY! NEXT THING YOU KNOW IT THEY'LL BE ROTTING IN JAIL FOR MEDICARE FRAUD.
Imagine calling someone a retard and demonstrating your lack of knowledge about the English language, effectively exposing yourself as said retard. In other words, you're retarded.
Loose morals are loose morals. You can go ahead and trust people to draw their own lines for what's worth taking for themselves. I'd rather not. All fun and games until it's your shit they're snagging that they feel entitled tool
Steal food and goods from corporate fat cats not from each other. Lateral violence solves nothing but a guillotine can do a lot to the elite corporate world
C.R.E.A.MSee the food stealing thread, this is just the natural evolution of that behavior.
disappointmettSteal food and goods from corporate fat cats not from each other. Lateral violence solves nothing but a guillotine can do a lot to the elite corporate world
Icant_kfedWhy do you do this stuff? To whatever ass clown stole my hestras out of the wachusett fireplace I hope you sack a handrail every time you try a swap
I was their yesterday and that’s where I put my shit. Behind the trash
disappointmettSteal food and goods from corporate fat cats not from each other. Lateral violence solves nothing but a guillotine can do a lot to the elite corporate world
Based; corps carry insurance on everything and lobby to keep wages so low for their workforces that the government is effectively subsidizing their businesses through EBT, SNAP, WIC, Medicaid, etc.
C.R.E.A.Mthey have to work the cost of the stolen food back into the price. Inevitably, that $5 pack of skittles I bought has to cover your ass because you found it insufferable to pay but somehow still felt entitled to some rainbow goodness.
dude, vail isn't charging '$5 for a pack of skittles' because of a massive theft problem. they charge that much because they have a monopoly on food at the mountain. similarly, they are not going to go out of business because of people swiping french fries.
they make unfathomable amounts of money through overpriced real estate that fucks up the housing market in every town they operate within. FUCK vail. if kids want to risk arrest for some french fries at vail i'm all for it. you act like there is no risk for them and that vail is some innocent bystander
yes stealing is harmful, but mega-corporations need to be critiqued far more than a random kid at the mountain
mattytrudude, vail isn't charging '$5 for a pack of skittles' because of a massive theft problem. they charge that much because they have a monopoly on food at the mountain. similarly, they are not going to go out of business because of people swiping french fries.
they make unfathomable amounts of money through overpriced real estate that fucks up the housing market in every town they operate within. FUCK vail. if kids want to risk arrest for some french fries at vail i'm all for it. you act like there is no risk for them and that vail is some innocent bystander
yes stealing is harmful, but mega-corporations need to be critiqued far more than a random kid at the mountain
you know how much more expensive skiing was before these mega corporations, right?
ASSholebomber22you know how much more expensive skiing was before these mega corporations, right?
yes, i was around then. in some cases the season passes were more expensive for access to only one mountain rather than 15. i get it.
day tickets were also far cheaper and the majority of resorts were not real estate companies. it was far easier to live in the general vicinity of many ski areas.
your comment cherrypicked an example and responded to only part of what i said initially. im also curious about your stance here, do you support vail/alterra or are you arguing for the sake of the morality of the youth?
a 'corporation' is just a tax status. you can have a 1-person corporation. it doesn't imply anything about the revenue or ethics of the company. you seem to be forgetting that purchasing those skittles (just like skiing at the mountain) is a voluntary act. the resort is not forcing you to buy skittles or a season pass. if you think $5 is too much, either 1- don't buy it, 2- save up to afford it, or 3- buy it somewhere else for less. stealing is not the answer. you are not the judge of how much money the resort should make. they are there to serve customers, not thieves. if they caught you stealing, for sure security would escort you off the mountain and clip your pass. if you were lucky, they would not call the police. just be a good person instead
mattytruyes, i was around then. in some cases the season passes were more expensive for access to only one mountain rather than 15. i get it.
day tickets were also far cheaper and the majority of resorts were not real estate companies. it was far easier to live in the general vicinity of many ski areas.
your comment cherrypicked an example and responded to only part of what i said initially. im also curious about your stance here, do you support vail/alterra or are you arguing for the sake of the morality of the youth?
bennwithtwons1) a 'corporation' is just a tax status. you can have a 1-person corporation. it doesn't imply anything about the revenue or ethics of the company.
2) you seem to be forgetting that purchasing those skittles (just like skiing at the mountain) is a voluntary act. the resort is not forcing you to buy skittles or a season pass. if you think $5 is too much, either 1- don't buy it, 2- save up to afford it, or 3- buy it somewhere else for less. stealing is not the answer.
3)you are not the judge of how much money the resort should make.
4)they are there to serve customers, not thieves. if they caught you stealing, for sure security would escort you off the mountain and clip your pass. if you were lucky, they would not call the police. just be a good person instead
1) i understand how incorporation works. perhaps i was too colloquial - i am referring to large-scale mega corporations that exist upon such a scale solely in order to maximize profit and minimize competition. i do have opinions about this method of doing business.
2) this is not entirely fair. it is one thing to be an informed ski traveler, know how the mountains work, etc. it is easy for me to never buy food at the mountain, i just bring my own sandwich in a pocket. however for first timers with a family of 3 kids, it is entirely reasonable to expect that you are supposed to buy food at the lodge. add on to that that they have already been stressed out about handling their kids and getting set up in the air bnb, there's no chance they are making food for everyone and figuring out how to bring it to the mountain, where to keep it, etc. they are IMPLORED to make use of the 'voluntary' services at the mountain.
3) as a human member of any sort of social organization i do believe i am allowed to have thoughts and opinions about how the actions of others affect me or others in the community. i do not necessarily have a 'right' to have my opinions honored.
4) vail pursues criminal prosecution as an operational procedure. whether or not an individual security officer would choose to escalate this is certainly up for debate.
i am all for being a good person. i also believe in karma, and that stealing things will come back to you on a personal level. i am just continually surprised at the lack of nuance in peoples' opinions about the mega-conglomerate thing in skiing.
mattytruyes, i was around then. in some cases the season passes were more expensive for access to only one mountain rather than 15. i get it.
day tickets were also far cheaper and the majority of resorts were not real estate companies. it was far easier to live in the general vicinity of many ski areas.
your comment cherrypicked an example and responded to only part of what i said initially. im also curious about your stance here, do you support vail/alterra or are you arguing for the sake of the morality of the youth?
You act like the mountains aren't 2nd only to beachfront property in terms of beauty and recreational opportunities. Imagine going to hawaii and expecting food and lodging for a family of 5 to be equivalent to their hometowns in the midwest. They're not employed to do shit, it's not hard to pack a cooler in the truck/van with ham sammi's, pb&j's and granola bars. Expecting things in high demand to be cheap or free because it's an area where people have money is child behavior.
**This post was edited on Mar 18th 2023 at 11:54:53am
Thats literally hilarious I'm laughing so hard. What bible you reading bro?
qazwsxedc34Jesus said it is not a sin to take something from someone who does not value its use. If you use it to its full potential then it's not stealing.
disappointmettSteal food and goods from corporate fat cats not from each other. Lateral violence solves nothing but a guillotine can do a lot to the elite corporate world
Since the Covid syndemic the billionaire class has stolen over a trillion dollars from the middle class. It is a duty to steal but only if it comes from the pockets of those who stole from you.
We all have to temember Pretty Boy Floyd... a true hero!
mattytru1) i understand how incorporation works. perhaps i was too colloquial - i am referring to large-scale mega corporations that exist upon such a scale solely in order to maximize profit and minimize competition. i do have opinions about this method of doing business.
2) this is not entirely fair. it is one thing to be an informed ski traveler, know how the mountains work, etc. it is easy for me to never buy food at the mountain, i just bring my own sandwich in a pocket. however for first timers with a family of 3 kids, it is entirely reasonable to expect that you are supposed to buy food at the lodge. add on to that that they have already been stressed out about handling their kids and getting set up in the air bnb, there's no chance they are making food for everyone and figuring out how to bring it to the mountain, where to keep it, etc. they are IMPLORED to make use of the 'voluntary' services at the mountain.
3) as a human member of any sort of social organization i do believe i am allowed to have thoughts and opinions about how the actions of others affect me or others in the community. i do not necessarily have a 'right' to have my opinions honored.
4) vail pursues criminal prosecution as an operational procedure. whether or not an individual security officer would choose to escalate this is certainly up for debate.
i am all for being a good person. i also believe in karma, and that stealing things will come back to you on a personal level. i am just continually surprised at the lack of nuance in peoples' opinions about the mega-conglomerate thing in skiing.
For-profit chain mega corporations that exist everywhere today were highly regulated if not banned in America before Rockefeller came.
At least once a month you’ll see threads on NS by lifties, park crew and instructors asking for advice on how to find housing, second jobs or roommates because they’re underpaid at their resorts and there’s no opportunity for advancement within the megapass structure.
‘Large-scale mega corporations’ as you put it exist because they offer something of value that people are voluntarily paying for. The fact that they’re successful doesn’t mean stealing from them is any more acceptable than stealing from a local mom and pop.
consider that by someone else’s standard, there is no discernible different between the value of a mega corporation or just a wealthy person it wouldn’t mean that they’d be justified to steal from that individual either. Basically, there is no defense for stealing, period. If you have a problem with a company, don’t do business with them or perhaps bring to light something they’re doing that should be addressed
mattytru1) i understand how incorporation works. perhaps i was too colloquial - i am referring to large-scale mega corporations that exist upon such a scale solely in order to maximize profit and minimize competition. i do have opinions about this method of doing business.
2) this is not entirely fair. it is one thing to be an informed ski traveler, know how the mountains work, etc. it is easy for me to never buy food at the mountain, i just bring my own sandwich in a pocket. however for first timers with a family of 3 kids, it is entirely reasonable to expect that you are supposed to buy food at the lodge. add on to that that they have already been stressed out about handling their kids and getting set up in the air bnb, there's no chance they are making food for everyone and figuring out how to bring it to the mountain, where to keep it, etc. they are IMPLORED to make use of the 'voluntary' services at the mountain.
3) as a human member of any sort of social organization i do believe i am allowed to have thoughts and opinions about how the actions of others affect me or others in the community. i do not necessarily have a 'right' to have my opinions honored.
4) vail pursues criminal prosecution as an operational procedure. whether or not an individual security officer would choose to escalate this is certainly up for debate.
i am all for being a good person. i also believe in karma, and that stealing things will come back to you on a personal level. i am just continually surprised at the lack of nuance in peoples' opinions about the mega-conglomerate thing in skiing.
stealing sucks! had a couple friends have their skis stolen this season. been kinda nervy to leave my skis even on days where there are nobody on hill.
You are never going to be a priority to Vail unless you own a minority share of the company. And if you are you’re more concerned with pocketing buybacks rather than improving working conditions or infrastructure (2.5 million shares in buybacks yesterday
qazwsxedc34Jesus said it is not a sin to take something from someone who does not value its use. If you use it to its full potential then it's not stealing.
bennwithtwons‘Large-scale mega corporations’ as you put it exist because they offer something of value that people are voluntarily paying for. The fact that they’re successful doesn’t mean stealing from them is any more acceptable than stealing from a local mom and pop.
consider that by someone else’s standard, there is no discernible different between the value of a mega corporation or just a wealthy person it wouldn’t mean that they’d be justified to steal from that individual either. Basically, there is no defense for stealing, period. If you have a problem with a company, don’t do business with them or perhaps bring to light something they’re doing that should be addressed
Large scale mega chain corporations and monopolization of industry was banned outright by US inc in its early years until exponential growth and low wage exploitation became majority gospel in Rockefeller's America. Treasury official Levi Woodbury 190 years ago called capitalists "greedy bastards" who feel the need to exploit the working class to poverty.
Sure, yes, there are corporations that offer something of value, everyone does in their own right or can if they so choose. Corprations are fictional entities after all and many exist as fronts, at least in today's day and age, to prevent liability.
Stealing from anyone is bad but there are many corporations who have stolen labor in the trillions over the last 35 years. Trillions upon trillions.
Say what you want, the robber barons are stealing your labor as you speak.
hi_vis360This is the only good post in this thread
It's true though. One thing I've noticed is you can obtain anything you want for free. Just surveil a neighborhood and yell from the street that your taking this from their front yard, at least 50% will let you take their stuff.
Statistics show that 92% of all belongings that people own are put to no use and 67% of owners secretly wish for someone to take the stuff without going through the arduous process of selling it.
If you are sinless, you can take what you want and the owner has to oblige.
The only problem I've encountered is taking wood and growing material from Home Depot trash. They literally will throw it in a landfill rather than give it to someone who will put it to good use.
One could build thousands of houses for the homeless with the amount of wood Lowes and Home Depot throw out.
190 years ago people were stealing labor.. from slaves. since we don't have slavery anymore in the US, the only entity stealing labor is the government, but that's a difference discussion. the rates of poverty have been on a general decline, almost down to 10% of the population. free enterprise by its nature provides opportunities for more people to flourish. it is true that some individuals will flourish far more than others but everyone has a chance to improve their lives.
there is no excuse for theft on either side of the equation! just be a good person instead. if you want to do that by paying your employees more, that's awesome. if you want to work harder to be more valuable to your employer, that's great too.
i'm not sure if this is your exact worldview, but even if it isn't, i would just recommend not looking at the world as if someone (or everyone) owes you something or has done you wrong. interact with the people and organizations that you like and don't interact with those that you don't. make good choices, and if the choices suck, make the best one.
qazwsxedc34Large scale mega chain corporations and monopolization of industry was banned outright by US inc in its early years until exponential growth and low wage exploitation became majority gospel in Rockefeller's America. Treasury official Levi Woodbury 190 years ago called capitalists "greedy bastards" who feel the need to exploit the working class to poverty.
Sure, yes, there are corporations that offer something of value, everyone does in their own right or can if they so choose. Corprations are fictional entities after all and many exist as fronts, at least in today's day and age, to prevent liability.
Stealing from anyone is bad but there are many corporations who have stolen labor in the trillions over the last 35 years. Trillions upon trillions.
Say what you want, the robber barons are stealing your labor as you speak.
**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2023 at 8:48:40am
Icant_kfedWhy do you do this stuff? To whatever ass clown stole my hestras out of the wachusett fireplace I hope you sack a handrail every time you try a swap
Got my Sala mom googles yoinked two years back. Only goggles I ever rocked under nothing was ever like it. Still pissed
bennwithtwons190 years ago people were stealing labor.. from slaves. since we don't have slavery anymore in the US, the only entity stealing labor is the government, but that's a difference discussion. the rates of poverty have been on a general decline, almost down to 10% of the population. free enterprise by its nature provides opportunities for more people to flourish. it is true that some individuals will flourish far more than others but everyone has a chance to improve their lives.
there is no excuse for theft on either side of the equation! just be a good person instead. if you want to do that by paying your employees more, that's awesome. if you want to work harder to be more valuable to your employer, that's great too.
i'm not sure if this is your exact worldview, but even if it isn't, i would just recommend not looking at the osworld as if someone (or everyone) owes you something or has done you wrong. interact with the people and organizations that you like and don't interact with those that you don't. make good choices, and if the choices suck, make the best one.
**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2023 at 8:48:40am
Technology advanced to the extent that it made chattel slavery and indentunnred servitude obsolete. Increased taxes, according to several prominent bankers and merchants, prevented the reemergence of the system of owning slaves for profit. Although, slavery is still a thing in many countries and on the black market.
Slave-backed securities were traded by London banks and their shareholders of largely Dutch, royal and Sephardic extraction. After, the UK decided to end slavery due to outcry of British plebs and advancement in technological, the parasites realized that there were too many slave-backed securities in the system. Freeing slaves means collateral evaporates. The banks would fail, and they were too big to fail! Can't have that.
The UK goverment took a loan to pay back the slave owners, i.e. cover slave-backed securities.
That loan was kindly provided by one Mr. Rothshild on favorable terms.
Slave mortages were about 50% of all mortages in US/colonies. 1 in 4 slaves was a loan collateral.
Fortunately, the friendly loan from slave trader Mr. Rothshild allowed to end slavery without collapsing the banking system or their wealth.
It amounted to 40% of UK's budget and was finally paid back in 2015.
Thanks to the British pleb taxpayer.
Ithink the intentional robbing of trillions of dollars from the middle class by the robber barons in the past several years to loan credit and save their economy and assets is enough for them to be forced to pay back what they stole.
There are some very bad players and they work as if the law doesn't apply to them, either entities of the US or private corporations contracting with US inc. or not. Much of the profit has come from joint stock trading which I cannot participant in for reasons of belief.
No, there are MANY entities stealing our labor. Yes, the corporation known as US inc. incorporated by Association llc is certainly stealing our labor, also a slew of private for-profit corporations who feel it necessary to exploit their employees or fire them for seasonal immigrants (think meat packing industry) and will contract with US inc as well. That large egg corporation farm found out and said never again. 'We have to diversify the migrant workers to the extent that their native languages are different or come from different countries. Ethnic homogeneity has to be broken, whatever ethnicity that may be, for exploitation is far easier under this atmosphere.
Also, the US isn't a government, it is a trading corporation (chartered) with board members; nor is it a republic or democracy.
The real problem in America is that we have an unsustainable retail make-work economy, top heavy on meme finance and wall street jobs whose diehards figure it's better to make money out of nothing or, worse, build a world that runs on impact investing and human commodity markets. Which is retarded.
Free 'corporations' means what to you, low wage Rockefeller monopoly doctrine? If we take the literal meaning of free enterprise, it simply means free 'corporations' for everyone and everything without regulation. How wonderful! Before there were corporations people still had businesses and exchanged goods as today.
Question: Would you call yourself a Libertardian?
Do you agree or disagree that poor farmers, many who are now on snap should be disqualified and snap disassembled because muh government bad? Should farmers not have access to-Farm Loans, Crop Insurance?
Private corporations SHOULD not have private credit, or be able to release or issue it, in order to bypass restrictive monetary issuance, in order to flex with financial situations regionally.
In fact, we need more credit, free credit (summae summa lex omnibus) and lots of it, to farmers and other laborers, not wallstreeters. Remember, the national debt doesn't exist...it's in boc-land, ledger domain...and your head.
qazwsxedc34Technology advanced to the extent that it made chattel slavery and indentunnred servitude obsolete. Increased taxes, according to several prominent bankers and merchants, prevented the reemergence of the system of owning slaves for profit. Although, slavery is still a thing in many countries and on the black market.
Slave-backed securities were traded by London banks and their shareholders of largely Dutch, royal and Sephardic extraction. After, the UK decided to end slavery due to outcry of British plebs and advancement in technological, the parasites realized that there were too many slave-backed securities in the system. Freeing slaves means collateral evaporates. The banks would fail, and they were too big to fail! Can't have that.
The UK goverment took a loan to pay back the slave owners, i.e. cover slave-backed securities.
That loan was kindly provided by one Mr. Rothshild on favorable terms.
Slave mortages were about 50% of all mortages in US/colonies. 1 in 4 slaves was a loan collateral.
Fortunately, the friendly loan from slave trader Mr. Rothshild allowed to end slavery without collapsing the banking system or their wealth.
It amounted to 40% of UK's budget and was finally paid back in 2015.
Thanks to the British pleb taxpayer.
Ithink the intentional robbing of trillions of dollars from the middle class by the robber barons in the past several years to loan credit and save their economy and assets is enough for them to be forced to pay back what they stole.
There are some very bad players and they work as if the law doesn't apply to them, either entities of the US or private corporations contracting with US inc. or not. Much of the profit has come from joint stock trading which I cannot participant in for reasons of belief.
No, there are MANY entities stealing our labor. Yes, the corporation known as US inc. incorporated by Association llc is certainly stealing our labor, also a slew of private for-profit corporations who feel it necessary to exploit their employees or fire them for seasonal immigrants (think meat packing industry) and will contract with US inc as well. That large egg corporation farm found out and said never again. 'We have to diversify the migrant workers to the extent that their native languages are different or come from different countries. Ethnic homogeneity has to be broken, whatever ethnicity that may be, for exploitation is far easier under this atmosphere.
Also, the US isn't a government, it is a trading corporation (chartered) with board members; nor is it a republic or democracy.
The real problem in America is that we have an unsustainable retail make-work economy, top heavy on meme finance and wall street jobs whose diehards figure it's better to make money out of nothing or, worse, build a world that runs on impact investing and human commodity markets. Which is retarded.
Free 'corporations' means what to you, low wage Rockefeller monopoly doctrine? If we take the literal meaning of free enterprise, it simply means free 'corporations' for everyone and everything without regulation. How wonderful! Before there were corporations people still had businesses and exchanged goods as today.
Question: Would you call yourself a Libertardian?
Do you agree or disagree that poor farmers, many who are now on snap should be disqualified and snap disassembled because muh government bad? Should farmers not have access to-Farm Loans, Crop Insurance?
Private corporations SHOULD not have private credit, or be able to release or issue it, in order to bypass restrictive monetary issuance, in order to flex with financial situations regionally.
In fact, we need more credit, free credit (summae summa lex omnibus) and lots of it, to farmers and other laborers, not wallstreeters. Remember, the national debt doesn't exist...it's in boc-land, ledger domain...and your head.
People steal stuff becase you decided to leave your skis at the base without being locked. I always make it imperative that I only take my skis off at the summit or places that you can only access by a lift so they dont get stolen. Seriously just stop putting faith in that ski rack at the base. Anyone looking for a shiny thing to sell on facebook for cheap will do so.