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xonskier78Can you describe the ski a bit? Is it durable or is the quality bad? I am deciding between line chronic and the head oblivion 94. What would you pick?
pretty classic cambered park ski but just a bit wider. I rode a buddies for only a couple laps so don't have much to say, make a thread in gear talk as I'm sure theres more people who actually own the ski who could tell you more
powpatrolpretty classic cambered park ski but just a bit wider. I rode a buddies for only a couple laps so don't have much to say, make a thread in gear talk as I'm sure theres more people who actually own the ski who could tell you more
tomPietrowskiYeah that’s fair but does not answer why you would not want them from Chinese factory.
My bad, I forgot that China was known for its outstanding worker's/human rights record. Also, Chinese made gear has ALWAYS been of a poorer quality. I don't get why your comments are being deliberately oblivious. It's pretty obvious why people avoid Chinese made ski gear, and you already know the reasons why. You're just asking in bad faith here, man.
So everyone working in China is doing so under slave labor in your opinion? You realize how dumb that is right? Many companies have set up factories in China and in many many cases they far exceed what is being done in Europe and most certainly America. The helmet factory we work with is insane for example, the things being done over there to reduce reliance on non renewable resources far exceeds what is being done here. And to say nothing coming out of china is good quality again is just absurd. Why would a ski made in identical presses with identical materials be any different if it were made in China or Europe?
Honest questions for you, what first hand knowledge do you have to base your opinions on?
-eREKTion-My bad, I forgot that China was known for its outstanding worker's/human rights record. Also, Chinese made gear has ALWAYS been of a poorer quality. I don't get why your comments are being deliberately oblivious. It's pretty obvious why people avoid Chinese made ski gear, and you already know the reasons why. You're just asking in bad faith here, man.
tomPietrowskiSo everyone working in China is doing so under slave labor in your opinion? You realize how dumb that is right? Many companies have set up factories in China and in many many cases they far exceed what is being done in Europe and most certainly America. The helmet factory we work with is insane for example, the things being done over there to reduce reliance on non renewable resources far exceeds what is being done here. And to say nothing coming out of china is good quality again is just absurd. Why would a ski made in identical presses with identical materials be any different if it were made in China or Europe?
Honest questions for you, what first hand knowledge do you have to base your opinions on?
Why do you manufacture in China? Cheap labor, right? I'm sure there's factories that do good work in China but you use them for their cheap labor. So that's the ethical question, do I, as a consumer, feel good that my skis were produced thousands of miles away by the lowest bidder, laid up by an underpaid factory worker, and then shipped across the globe by a global commerce system that destroys the planet? No, I find a lot of it objectionable.
Also, a ski made using identical processes can be lower quality than one made with better QC. Are the skis that K2 presses at Vashon the same quality as the finished product from China?
yeah it's a thing. just a few years ago the rhetoric was help China succeed and they will become more like us. in just the past couple of years the rhetoric has shifted and now people are saying hey the more money they have the more China is just doing stuff we don't like with the money. Iphone and others are now moving manufacturing out of China. Personally I don't think I can just boycott all made in China products but I definitely will try to avoid funneling any money to a regime that openly states that universal rights and values are a threat. Nothing wrong with the quality of made in China skis though. I've had a pair of made in China line prophets that have had a ton of days and abuse for 10 years now and they still are going strong
-eREKTion-Why do you manufacture in China? Cheap labor, right? I'm sure there's factories that do good work in China but you use them for their cheap labor. So that's the ethical question, do I, as a consumer, feel good that my skis were produced thousands of miles away by the lowest bidder, laid up by an underpaid factory worker, and then shipped across the globe by a global commerce system that destroys the planet? No, I find a lot of it objectionable.
Also, a ski made using identical processes can be lower quality than one made with better QC. Are the skis that K2 presses at Vashon the same quality as the finished product from China?
A big part of why so many produce over there is the level of knowledge in the area. Just like Ski boots are focused to the
Montebello and Asollo area because the knowledge is there, the same is said for areas of China, Twain and Vietnam. Yes labor is cheaper there but even if cost were no object you simply could not relocate to America, for example, as we do not have the people here who could do the work. Location of raw materials also plays a factor too and how close they are to production. Sure the end product has to be shipped but the end product volume and weight wise costs less to ship than the raw materials.
I do get it that especially in the USA there is a distaste for China but honestly writing off a product without looking into the details is just dumb.
As for skis made in Des Moines (not been on Vashon in years) the quality is good but to get the same quality as we get from our factory is China we end up with many more B and C grade skis as the process is not as dialed. Its awesome for prototyping, mass production not so much.
tomPietrowskiA big part of why so many produce over there is the level of knowledge in the area. Just like Ski boots are focused to the
Montebello and Asollo area because the knowledge is there, the same is said for areas of China, Twain and Vietnam. Yes labor is cheaper there but even if cost were no object you simply could not relocate to America, for example, as we do not have the people here who could do the work. Location of raw materials also plays a factor too and how close they are to production. Sure the end product has to be shipped but the end product volume and weight wise costs less to ship than the raw materials.
I do get it that especially in the USA there is a distaste for China but honestly writing off a product without looking into the details is just dumb.
As for skis made in Des Moines (not been on Vashon in years) the quality is good but to get the same quality as we get from our factory is China we end up with many more B and C grade skis as the process is not as dialed. Its awesome for prototyping, mass production not so much.
because when I plunk down $6-900 I want it made by people who actually do/would use it .. when I think of volkl I think of German engineering not Asian sweat shop workers who are underpaid and treated like crap .. same thing with my hockey skates I had one pair of retail hockey skates 2 years ago and they fell apart after a half season and they were the top end model ... I want real Volkl skis not the wish.com volkls
For all the rad dads out there that like skiing backwards elan is coming out with the elan playmaker I believe it's called. But basically it's a all mountain twin with similar shape and characteristics to the ripstick.
**This post was edited on Nov 28th 2022 at 12:01:53am
2251 grams in a 177?? This puts the Revolt 114 in a class with skis like the Rossi Sender Squad, the old Katana, and the Bodacious (RIP)…all very damp/stable skis. If this ski has the mass Volkl says it does, it’s gonna be a chop destroyer…excited to see what the deal is with this ski.
Some quick grams/cm math on this ski has it at 2,340 grams in a 184 and 2,429 in a 191… let’s goooo
Since ISPO is going on already, we should see all the gear already.. I'm no longer in the industry and not at ISPO this year but we should see a lot of pictures soon..
deelonmusk2251 grams in a 177?? This puts the Revolt 114 in a class with skis like the Rossi Sender Squad, the old Katana, and the Bodacious (RIP)…all very damp/stable skis. If this ski has the mass Volkl says it does, it’s gonna be a chop destroyer…excited to see what the deal is with this ski.
Some quick grams/cm math on this ski has it at 2,340 grams in a 184 and 2,429 in a 191… let’s goooo
I belive it is the built together big mountain / comp ski Markus eder talked about on blister podcast. We might se them on finn bilous during the FWT.