Where is everyone? We’re all supposed go be talking about gun policy

False flag attack? Fox News was reporting that the children were actually holograms.

Glad that at least in my kids awful school district in Denver is predominantly hispanic ESL, no white boys with ager problems and access to guns

theLiquorFalse flag attack? Fox News was reporting that the children were actually holograms.

Glad that at least in my kids awful school district in Denver is predominantly hispanic ESL, no white boys with ager problems and access to guns

Is this really the time for this racist shit?

theLiquorFalse flag attack? Fox News was reporting that the children were actually holograms.

Glad that at least in my kids awful school district in Denver is predominantly hispanic ESL, no white boys with ager problems and access to guns

tf? shooter most likely hispanic based on name alone

tf? Buffalo shooter traveled 200 miles

tf? mental illness knows no color

yungonaWhere is everyone? We’re all supposed go be talking about gun policy

Are we?

RIP very sad, where is @skierman to vouch for joe Biden fucking our wives and gun snatching while he points at this tragedy??? I know how much he loves to be a cuck

Moving to the Cali recently opened my eyes to how messed up and frequent this happens

Outta sight, outta mind.... American violence should have opened eyes murders and murders ago

DTetzMoving to the Cali recently opened my eyes to how messed up and frequent this happens

"19 children shot dead" - News

"THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF THE ELECTION WASN'T STOLEN FROM TRUMP!" - Republicans

"Guys, we have too many firearms with little to no restrictions on owning them. This isn't a good thing and it'll keep happening." - Democrats

"CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW LAWS, LAWS ARE USELESS, NOTHING WE CAN DO! MAGA! MAGA! GO BRANDON!" - Republicans

"America is fucked." - Every other country with access to firearms but mass shootings are extremely rare.

I dont even know what to say anymore. So many children over the decades were killed from school shooting and countless young lives are devestated by trauma. We just sit and watch the 6oclock news, numb and unfazed, just like a south park episode come to reality. I dont know what colder; the actions of the shooter or the difference of the public and leaders.

As politicians, pundits and idiots try to point blame; people get more polarized, progress stalls and the innocent victims get forgotten And the whole story cycles again 2-4 years later.

I cant do anything except be dumbfounded. I wish I could help, but I just dont have those ressources to do anything practical.

freestyler540I cant do anything except be dumbfounded. I wish I could help, but I just dont have those ressources to do anything practical.

Well you do have incredibly easy access to firearms and as we know, politicians don't give a shit unless it impacts them directly....

Let me be clear, I'm not insinuating you should take up arms against the corrupt politicians to force change because that's the GOP's job.

watching this from Europe is weird man.

Can someone explain to me why you don't need to have a license to purchase a firearm?

Why there is no background check if you want to apply for that license?

What's the need for an assault weapon? You can neither hunt with them, nor use them for sports shooting, right?

Why is there no need to have a liability insurance, if you own a gun?

Why don't you need proof that you can guarantee proper storage of weapons and ammunition?

theLiquorFalse flag attack? Fox News was reporting that the children were actually holograms.

Glad that at least in my kids awful school district in Denver is predominantly hispanic ESL, no white boys with ager problems and access to guns

Hey fucknut the shooter was Hispanic , racism isn’t funny especially after something like this

prettygoodwatching this from Europe is weird man.

Can someone explain to me why you don't need to have a license to purchase a firearm?

Why there is no background check if you want to apply for that license?

What's the need for an assault weapon? You can neither hunt with them, nor use them for sports shooting, right?

Why is there no need to have a liability insurance, if you own a gun?

Why don't you need proof that you can guarantee proper storage of weapons and ammunition?

These are all common misconceptions about firearms in the US.

To purchase a firearm from any sort of store or gun shop in the US, you must present a valid ID and pass a background check. Every single one.

The need for an "assault weapon" none of anyone's business but your own. Here in America you don't need to justify your desire to own anything to anyone even if some people believe it's scary.

You can absolutely use just about any firearm for hunting or sport shooting.

Many people who carry concealed firearms on them opt to carry liability insurance through organizations that regressives try to dismantle with anti-gun lobbying.

Some states have specific storage requirements and some states do not. Generally it's a personal responsibility thing.

T.L.These are all common misconceptions about firearms in the US.

To purchase a firearm from any sort of store or gun shop in the US, you must present a valid ID and pass a background check. Every single one.

LOL yeah, a background check that only checks if you're a felon and if you're in a state with red flag laws, which most do not. You can purchase and walk out with a firearm in under 30 minutes. In New Hampshire, there's no background check required for private sale of firearms if you "know" the person you're selling to. The same goes for many other states. There's no national registry of firearms, there's no prerequisite to owning a firearm other than age, its loose as fuck.

Also just like the Newton massacre, the firearms were purchased legally.

Let that sink in.

Maybe this is relevant to what happened, maybe it's not, but some gun owners are just plan idiots. I've been in too many people's homes where guns are just lying around loaded and unlocked. Isn't standard practice to store firearms and ammo separately and locked up? Also, if I owned guns I wouldn't go and advertise that I do with a bunch of stickers on my vehicle, tacky t-shirts, and openly talk about them all the time. First people who will say that the government has no business knowing if they own guns or not, my brother in Christ, you tell all of society you have them.

skiermanLOL yeah, a background check that only checks if you're a felon and if you're in a state with red flag laws, which most do not. You can purchase and walk out with a firearm in under 30 minutes. In New Hampshire, there's no background check required for private sale of firearms if you "know" the person you're selling to. The same goes for many other states. There's no national registry of firearms, there's no prerequisite to owning a firearm other than age, its loose as fuck.

Actually the NICS also checks if you've been institutionalized, dishonorably discharged from the military, had a restraining order placed against you, or have been convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence.

If this person hadn't done anything to fit the provisions of the Brady bill then please explain how a national registry would have helped...

Craw_DaddyActually the NICS also checks if you've been institutionalized, dishonorably discharged from the military, had a restraining order placed against you, or have been convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence.

If this person hadn't done anything to fit the provisions of the Brady bill then please explain how a national registry would have helped...

"PLEASE TELL ME HOW THIS SPECIFIC PART OF CURRENT LEGISLATION WOULD AFFECT THIS VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCE!" This is how all gun nuts respond. You know what a national registry would prevent? Straw man purchases, another serious fucking issue in the U.S.

skierman"PLEASE TELL ME HOW THIS SPECIFIC PART OF CURRENT LEGISLATION WOULD AFFECT THIS VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCE!" This is how all gun nuts respond. You know what a national registry would prevent? Straw man purchases, another serious fucking issue in the U.S.

This "very specific instance" is the context for this conversation, genius. In this instance, and in almost every major shooting, the shooter legally obtained their firearm from an ffl. A registry would have done nothing to prevent this.

Craw_DaddyThis "very specific instance" is the context for this conversation, genius. In this instance, and in almost every major shooting, the shooter legally obtained their firearm from an ffl. A registry would have done nothing to prevent this.

Its almost like you completely ignored the last sentence of my response. Just in case you didn't make it that far... "You know what a national registry would prevent? Straw man purchases, another serious fucking issue in the U.S."

Dont think it is in this case but i fully agree. Gun owners need to be held fucking accountable for negligence. Didnt some parents in Ohio or Michigan or whatever that tried to flee country actually get held responsible? Need more of that. I have a few ARs and handguns, never was into conceal carry or “home defense” anyways but now with kids in the house theyre locked up so hard, seems like common sense but you learn there isn’t much common sense in this country to begin with

r00kieMaybe this is relevant to what happened, maybe it's not, but some gun owners are just plan idiots. I've been in too many people's homes where guns are just lying around loaded and unlocked. Isn't standard practice to store firearms and ammo separately and locked up? Also, if I owned guns I wouldn't go and advertise that I do with a bunch of stickers on my vehicle, tacky t-shirts, and openly talk about them all the time. First people who will say that the government has no business knowing if they own guns or not, my brother in Christ, you tell all of society you have them.

skiermanIts almost like you completely ignored the last sentence of my response. Just in case you didn't make it that far... "You know what a national registry would prevent? Straw man purchases, another serious fucking issue in the U.S."

Hey dumbass, did this person obtain their gun through a strawman purchase? No? Then why the fuck is that relevant to this conversation? And please explain how a registry prevents stawman purchases? It's already a felony to purchase a gun for someone who would not pass a background check...

skiermanLOL yeah, a background check that only checks if you're a felon and if you're in a state with red flag laws, which most do not. You can purchase and walk out with a firearm in under 30 minutes. In New Hampshire, there's no background check required for private sale of firearms if you "know" the person you're selling to. The same goes for many other states. There's no national registry of firearms, there's no prerequisite to owning a firearm other than age, its loose as fuck.

The 18 year old kid who shot up my high school literally bought a shotgun from walmart the morning that it happened. He had made some explicit threats to teachers but the administration hadn't really taken it seriously, about a year after the incident the police report revealed that he had been actively planning it for months, but the shit that someone writes in their journal won't show up on a background check, and the lack of action taken on the threats he made in school was a complete failure of the school administration.

I don't know exactly how purchasing a gun works in Colorado, but if there was a background check this kid passed it. You can literally buy a gun in the same store that you buy your groceries and tighty whiteies and it may only add a few minutes to your shopping trip. I fully realize the value that firearms have for hunting, and there are plenty of responsible gun owners out there, but this shit is fucked up. I really don't have all that much faith that things will ever get better, gun culture seems like this weird power and paranoia fetish to me, combined with a crumbling educational system, and a built up complacency to how frequently this shit happens, seems like there is no hope for anything to change. It seems like we live in a society that produces violent and fucked up people with little to no resources to address or prevent these mental illnesses, and they have really nothing stopping them from committing these atrocities.

Its an easy issue to solve. When people get pepper spray training, they have to get sprayed once to know what it is like to do the same onto others.

They should just do the same for all gun owners!

If only Biden would just pass GUN BANNING LAWS!!! Why havn't the democrats in power done this yet??!!

We should BAN DRUGS TOO!!!

T.L.These are all common misconceptions about firearms in the US.

To purchase a firearm from any sort of store or gun shop in the US, you must present a valid ID and pass a background check. Every single one.

The need for an "assault weapon" none of anyone's business but your own. Here in America you don't need to justify your desire to own anything to anyone even if some people believe it's scary.

You can absolutely use just about any firearm for hunting or sport shooting.

Many people who carry concealed firearms on them opt to carry liability insurance through organizations that regressives try to dismantle with anti-gun lobbying.

Some states have specific storage requirements and some states do not. Generally it's a personal responsibility thing.

Thanks for the explanation!

Don't want to shock you with your worst case scenario, just to put things into perspective how things are handled where I'm coming from. ;)

In Germany you can apply for a license if you're a certified hunter (another thing that'll take you months of training) or a sports shooter. If you don't belong to one of these two the applicant must also provide proof of need, which proves the necessity for carrying the firearms. For a positive decision on a weapons license, the applicant must therefore prove a need that makes it indispensable for him to carry a weapon. So obviously, guns to private owners are usually not allowed; and if they are they can't hold more than 20 bullets at a time.

The application process, education, background check takes a few months. If you have a gun, of course you're registered and police could come by to check if you have it stored correctly.

Do you think there is any common ground in the US to find any firearm legislation?

Ban assault rifles, or semi/automatic weapons? Disallow open carry? Establish a waiting period between purchase request and handover of the gun? Mandatory training for a few months before you're allowed to have a gun?

No offense, but it seems a bit like you guys have given up on your country in that regard.

IDK about you but one thing I’m tired of is people being sane enough to buy a gun legally, yet the moment they pull the trigger they get to plea the insanity defense. It may not always work, but works a lot if at the very least buys them a fuckload of time.

i dont remember if its the most recent Boulder shooter, or the kid who gunned down that ladies whole family in road rage, but i know theres at least one case being dragged out cuz “insanity” sick of it. Fry these fuckers like bacon

No.QuarterThe 18 year old kid who shot up my high school literally bought a shotgun from walmart the morning that it happened. He had made some explicit threats to teachers but the administration hadn't really taken it seriously, about a year after the incident the police report revealed that he had been actively planning it for months, but the shit that someone writes in their journal won't show up on a background check, and the lack of action taken on the threats he made in school was a complete failure of the school administration.

I don't know exactly how purchasing a gun works in Colorado, but if there was a background check this kid passed it. You can literally buy a gun in the same store that you buy your groceries and tighty whiteies and it may only add a few minutes to your shopping trip. I fully realize the value that firearms have for hunting, and there are plenty of responsible gun owners out there, but this shit is fucked up. I really don't have all that much faith that things will ever get better, gun culture seems like this weird power and paranoia fetish to me, combined with a crumbling educational system, and a built up complacency to how frequently this shit happens, seems like there is no hope for anything to change. It seems like we live in a society that produces violent and fucked up people with little to no resources to address or prevent these mental illnesses, and they have really nothing stopping them from committing these atrocities.

Craw_DaddyHey dumbass, did this person obtain their gun through a strawman purchase? No? Then why the fuck is that relevant to this conversation? And please explain how a registry prevents stawman purchases? It's already a felony to purchase a gun for someone who would not pass a background check...

Traffickers purchase firearms legally in the U.S. from stores and then smuggle them into Mexico to sell to the cartels for a shit ton of money, for one example. As long as they purchase the firearms from different locations, there's zero record. If every firearm sold was registered with the Fed, it would make it a lot harder to traffic/illegally sell firearms.

skiermanTraffickers purchase firearms legally in the U.S. from stores and then smuggle them into Mexico to sell to the cartels for a shit ton of money, for one example. As long as they purchase the firearms from different locations, there's zero record. If every firearm sold was registered with the Fed, it would make it a lot harder to traffic/illegally sell firearms.

Hahahahaa yea go try and register 400 million firearms. Also you can 3D print guns now.

skiermanTraffickers purchase firearms legally in the U.S. from stores and then smuggle them into Mexico to sell to the cartels for a shit ton of money, for one example. As long as they purchase the firearms from different locations, there's zero record. If every firearm sold was registered with the Fed, it would make it a lot harder to traffic/illegally sell firearms.

Holy shit you're stupid.

skiermanTraffickers purchase firearms legally in the U.S. from stores and then smuggle them into Mexico to sell to the cartels for a shit ton of money, for one example. As long as they purchase the firearms from different locations, there's zero record. If every firearm sold was registered with the Fed, it would make it a lot harder to traffic/illegally sell firearms.

OMG DUDE NO WAY IS THIS REALLY TRUE?

FENTANYL KILLED 100 TIMES MORE PEOPLE THAN GUNS LAST YEAR. MAYBE WE SHOULD BAN FENTANYL!!!

you're a clown who focuses on the media narrative. LOL and you pretend to be self righteous about political issues. meanwhile .....

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TRVP_ANGELIts an easy issue to solve. When people get pepper spray training, they have to get sprayed once to know what it is like to do the same onto others.

They should just do the same for all gun owners!

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mobadisHahahahaa yea go try and register 400 million firearms. Also you can 3D print guns now.

Damn, more proof the U.S. has a major firearm problem and more regulations are required.

skiermanTraffickers purchase firearms legally in the U.S. from stores and then smuggle them into Mexico to sell to the cartels for a shit ton of money, for one example. As long as they purchase the firearms from different locations, there's zero record. If every firearm sold was registered with the Fed, it would make it a lot harder to traffic/illegally sell firearms.

All firearms sold through an FFL have something called a serial number. Police can look at that serial number and go to the manufacturer to find out exactly which retailer that gun was sold through. They can then go to that location and see exactly which person that gun was sold to. FFLs are required to hold on to that paperwork for 20 years.

You're sitting here trying to propose broad changes to gun laws when you dont even understand the ones we have currently.

IF ONLY THEY MADE BUYING GUNS AS DIFFICULT AS VOTING!!!

Craw_DaddyAll firearms sold through an FFL have something called a serial number. Police can look at that serial number and go to the manufacturer to find out exactly which retailer that gun was sold through. They can then go to that location and see exactly which person that gun was sold to. FFLs are required to hold on to that paperwork for 20 years.

You're sitting here trying to propose broad changes to gun laws when you dont even understand the ones we have currently.

YEAH BECAUSE YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY FILE AWAY THE SERIAL NUMBER. You're an ignorant fuck.

skiermanYEAH BECAUSE YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY FILE AWAY THE SERIAL NUMBER. You're an ignorant fuck.

IF YOU FILE AWAY THE SERIAL NUMBER THEN HOW WOULD A NATIONAL REGISTRY HELP!?!?!?

prettygoodThanks for the explanation!

Don't want to shock you with your worst case scenario, just to put things into perspective how things are handled where I'm coming from. ;)

In Germany you can apply for a license if you're a certified hunter (another thing that'll take you months of training) or a sports shooter. If you don't belong to one of these two the applicant must also provide proof of need, which proves the necessity for carrying the firearms. For a positive decision on a weapons license, the applicant must therefore prove a need that makes it indispensable for him to carry a weapon. So obviously, guns to private owners are usually not allowed; and if they are they can't hold more than 20 bullets at a time.

The application process, education, background check takes a few months. If you have a gun, of course you're registered and police could come by to check if you have it stored correctly.

Do you think there is any common ground in the US to find any firearm legislation?

Ban assault rifles, or semi/automatic weapons? Disallow open carry? Establish a waiting period between purchase request and handover of the gun? Mandatory training for a few months before you're allowed to have a gun?

No offense, but it seems a bit like you guys have given up on your country in that regard.

As you can see in this thread, Americans would rather defend their right to have guns than take measures to reduce school shootings. It's disgusting that these massacres are regular occurrences. It's even worse that our leaders choose to do literally nothing about it. Cowards. The NRA can fuck right off. Anyone who thinks school shootings are a necessary evil to defend their gun ownership can fuck right off too. No 9-year-old should have to die to defend your right to keep your shitty AR.

Craw_DaddyIF YOU FILE AWAY THE SERIAL NUMBER THEN HOW WOULD A NATIONAL REGISTRY HELP!?!?!?

Imagine being so entrenched in a dumb fucking idea, that its not possible for you to comprehend an answer that was already provided to you.

skiermanImagine being so entrenched in a dumb fucking idea, that its not possible for you to comprehend an answer that was already provided to you.

Sounds like literally all your arguments.

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skiermanImagine being so entrenched in a dumb fucking idea, that its not possible for you to comprehend an answer that was already provided to you.

Lmao

Me: how would a national gun registry prevent school shootings?

Skierman: THE FUCKIN MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS ARE GETTING THEIR GUNS FROM WALMART!!! WE NEED A NATIONAL REGISTRY CAUSE REASONS!!!

skiermanImagine being so entrenched in a dumb fucking idea, that its not possible for you to comprehend an answer that was already provided to you.

Skierman an is such a cuck he needs to vote in a binary system. Chad just votes for himself on the understanding that we live in a representative democracy and the electoral college decides everything anyways

VTshredder69If only Biden would just pass GUN BANNING LAWS!!! Why havn't the democrats in power done this yet??!!

We should BAN DRUGS TOO!!!

While we’re at it let’s ban murder and robbery, they cause a lot of death and loss of property

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Me: how would a national gun registry prevent school shootings?

Skierman: THE FUCKIN MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS ARE GETTING THEIR GUNS FROM WALMART!!! WE NEED A NATIONAL REGISTRY CAUSE REASONS!!!

"WHAT WOULD THIS LAW PREVENT!" - Republican

"This is what it would prevent" - Normal people

"LOL WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT!!" - Republican

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Me: how would a national gun registry prevent school shootings?

Skierman: THE FUCKIN MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS ARE GETTING THEIR GUNS FROM WALMART!!! WE NEED A NATIONAL REGISTRY CAUSE REASONS!!!

skierman"WHAT WOULD THIS LAW PREVENT!" - Republican

"This is what it would prevent" - Normal people

"LOL WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT!!" - Republican

Can you guys and everyone else talking about politics shut the fuck up already?

This is a tragedy, not a political debate, have some fucking respect.

eheathThis is a tragedy, not a political debate

What's the difference?

I wonder when the official response to a mass shooting will just be "sad, but we chose our country to be this way, so let's all move on."

Or maybe there is hope and the 90% who want to change things (according to Steve kerr) finally stand up.

Your country does such great things, yet acts like a third world nation with that topic.

Can't these fanatics just get paintball guns to play around somewhere?

BrandoComandoAs you can see in this thread, Americans would rather defend their right to have guns than take measures to reduce school shootings. It's disgusting that these massacres are regular occurrences. It's even worse that our leaders choose to do literally nothing about it. Cowards. The NRA can fuck right off. Anyone who thinks school shootings are a necessary evil to defend their gun ownership can fuck right off too. No 9-year-old should have to die to defend your right to keep your shitty AR.

T.L.These are all common misconceptions about firearms in the US.

To purchase a firearm from any sort of store or gun shop in the US, you must present a valid ID and pass a background check. Every single one.

Theoretically, sure. The issue is that there are so many loopholes that virtually anyone can get their hands on a gun and ease of access make it also very affordable, even when circumventing the legal process. In other countries with more stringent background checks or simply no dumb loopholes, access in general is, while still totally possible, harder and therefore illegal access is much costlier, reducing demand and in turn guns in circulation.

The need for an "assault weapon" none of anyone's business but your own. Here in America you don't need to justify your desire to own anything to anyone even if some people believe it's scary.

I think OP was referring to fully automatic weapons, I don't think those are legal anymore, so you actually can't buy new ones, and old ones are in limited supply, so pretty difficult and costly to get. Def a misconception, people imagine all americans have full autos but it's actually super rare I think.

Many people who carry concealed firearms on them opt to carry liability insurance through organizations that regressives try to dismantle with anti-gun lobbying.

Well you're talking about responsible gun owners here, but these are also not usually the ones being problematic in most cases, so that's why it not being mandatory is a problem imo. The ones more likely to do dumb shit and cause problems are also the ones not opting to carry liability insurance.

Some states have specific storage requirements and some states do not. Generally it's a personal responsibility thing.

It should be all states imo, we want every gun owner to be a responsible one, and those not storing their guns properly are simply not.

At the end of the day, in an ideal world we can have a system where guns are kept out off people who shouldn't have them, and the rest can still safely enjoy them. But we live in the real world, and one thing we can all agree on is that our current system is obviously failing to do that.

People, a majority of which are responsible, are able to enjoy guns with very easy access in the US today, and that's great for them. But the unfortunate flip of that coin is that it is just as easy for criminals and unstable individuals to get guns, wreck havoc, and kill people, including children.

Now the question is whether or not that level of freedom is worth the current cost we're paying for it, and if not, what changes to our system would strike the right balance of preserving a fundamental right vs. protecting people.

We can argue about what the right reforms would be, but I think a good first step would be for people to either be honest if they just think the current cost is worth paying, or if not, at least acknowledge that we need change and then come up with ideas instead of being complacent with the status quo.