I’m moving out to colorado next year and want a do it all ski. I’m in between a hard charger and playful skier I do both. Thinking about on3p jeffereys any other recommendations and what underfoot?
100-108 underfoot is ideal unless you're only in the park. I rode Jeffreys for a year and loved them! Now I ride the Misfit 106s a sweet ski for just about everything Colorado has to throw at you.
Grab something from moment like wildcat 101s, deathwishes, or commanders. There skis are baller and hold up very well
Jeffereys and tbh depends on your length you want.
I ride the 102, 191s most if not all days. It handles powder stashes very well and took it to targhee after a 40+ in snowstorm.
The width is great for choppy stuff and weight while the length and rocker still gives great float in powder. Could go 110s those are also solid too
ski mostly in Bridgerbowl but sort of similar to CO
I'd get something 97-112 underfoot that is pretty symmetrical and mount it accordingly. ON3P and Moment are pretty top tier but you could also do K2's, Volkl Revolt's, or Armada ARV106's off the top of my head. Factions ski well too but people destroy them fast.
Your preference is yours and yours alone though, so I'd read as many NS roofbox and blister reviews as you can (including the skis you currently ride to baseline against!) to try to make a decision; there is only so much us people on a forum can assume about what you'd like
I had the old faction Candice 1.0’s for the first 2 years of college in Colorado and they handled every sort of conditions there were. Definately not the best for powder but still handled better than I would have expected for 90 underfoot. Granted the durability was quite shite but epoxy and warranties did the job.
If you're looking for something that can charge and still be playful, I think the jeffery is hard to beat. The other ski in this criteria that I've been on is the deathwish but its not much of a charger
Right now I’m deciding between woodsman 103 and Jeffery 102
PeachesNCreamIf you're looking for something that can charge and still be playful, I think the jeffery is hard to beat. The other ski in this criteria that I've been on is the deathwish but its not much of a charger
I really enjoy the Fat-ypus M5, 106mm underfoot, 5-point design makes it super quick turning, and quite playful but stable at speed! Love them as a Colorado one-ski quiver. Plus I think they are on sale now!
Coleg55Jeffereys and tbh depends on your length you want.I ride the 102, 191s most if not all days. It handles powder stashes very well and took it to targhee after a 40+ in snowstorm.
The width is great for choppy stuff and weight while the length and rocker still gives great float in powder. Could go 110s those are also solid too
ski mostly in Bridgerbowl but sort of similar to CO
I took a little different approach with my daily-driver Jeffs, wider at 114mm underfoot but shorter at 181cm, than this guy^.
I certainly could have gotten them in a 186 (or a 191 as they are available now) but the shorter length makes them more playful than my longer skis and I don't feel like they sacrifice all that much support or stability as long as they are skied with a balanced and active stance. The tails are supportive enough to an certain extent, but compared to the much more supportive tails of the Wrenegades, they do not have the all-out muscle car chargy character that the Wrens do, their sweet spot for body positioning is a little narrower when things get fast, rough, and steep and show their limits sooner if you end up backseat.
From what I have heard, the Woodsman is closer to the Jeffs than the Wrens and retain much of the playful character with a little more tail support.
I've skied a whole bunch of very different skis ranging from 171-192cm in length and 92mm to 116mm underfoot, from fully cambered park skis to rockered beastly chargers, in damn near any condition you could imagine. If I were to get rid of all of my other skis and have a true 1 ski quiver to be my playful charger I'd go with a Woodsman 110 in a 182cm. I'm 5'11" and 140lbs and ski Bridger Bowl, MT and a few days here and there in CO at ABasin, Vail, Breck, Loveland, or Monarch.
I live in Colorado and ski all over the state. I ride Moment Wildcat 108s and I absolutely love them. They are great in all conditions and can charge hard, but I can also press and butter them. They handle well in powder and slush alike, and even hold well on ice/hardpack. I have never felt like I am going too fast for the ski and yet they are light and playful in the park. They are hands down the best ski I have ever ridden. I really think 108 is the perfect sweet spot. I can still do tricks on rails and throw down on jumps like I would on my park skis. Truly a phenomenal one ski quiver. Cannot recommend enough!
**This post was edited on May 10th 2022 at 1:13:37pm
MalskispowI live in Colorado and ski all over the state. I ride Moment Wildcat 108s and I absolutely love them. They are great in all conditions and can charge hard, but I can also press and butter them. They handle well in powder and slush alike, and even hold well on ice/hardpack. I have never felt like I am going too fast for the ski and yet they are light and playful in the park. They are hands down the best ski I have ever ridden. I really think 108 is the perfect sweet spot. I can still do tricks on rails and throw down on jumps like I would on my park skis. Truly a phenomenal one ski quiver. Cannot recommend enough!**This post was edited on May 10th 2022 at 1:13:37pm
I wish moment made more toned back and simple topsheets cause I would cop immediately
KoshermilkI wish moment made more toned back and simple topsheets cause I would cop immediately
I hear that, although I will say I have gotten a ton of compliments on my topsheets. I personally am a fan of the artwork, but I always tell people at my shop that nobody cares about the topsheet as long as you have a bit of style in your skiing!
Ski76Right now I’m deciding between woodsman 103 and Jeffery 102
Jeff has more rocker and twin tip so will be more playful, woodsman will be more stable. If playful is more important go Jeff, if charge is more important, go woodsman. Also what mount point do you like? Jeff wants a upright stance, I think woodsman still can do upright but also can handle a little bit of a forward stance iirc
Is Thee SBH 106 mentioned anywhere in this thread?
mystery3Is Thee SBH 106 mentioned anywhere in this thread?
Isaac freeland
been a one ski quiver type person for so long, my favorites are kartel/jeff 108 lib tech ufo 100 (105 or 95 now) and vishnu wide. all with their own personality and style, but can handle most all mountain endeavors.
As most folks have said, something between 100 and 110 is plenty wide. I wouldn't go below 100 though.
Any fatter and you're sacrificing everyday use and quickness edge to edge for the 1 or 2 pow days of the year if you're lucky. Even on those days, snow is tracked out quickly because everyone and their mom (literally) goes out.
Know yourself. If you like softer skis in general On3p (jeff) and moment (wildcat) are on the stiffer end (in general) compared to a K2 reckoner or Line (SFB).
dmcdmcAs most folks have said, something between 100 and 110 is plenty wide.Any fatter and you're sacrificing everyday use and quickness edge to edge for the 1 or 2 pow days of the year if you're lucky. Even on those days, snow is tracked out quickly because everyone and their mom (literally) goes out.
I'm curious where you ski? In the PNW we have fresh snow pretty often and I end up catching a lot of days riding while it's actively snowing. Even usually days after a big dump there's fresh in the trees here and there and everything is still soft.
That said I agree with your advice, 100-110mm is great for a Colorado daily driver.
mystery3I'm curious where you ski? In the PNW we have fresh snow pretty often and I end up catching a lot of days riding while it's actively snowing. Even usually days after a big dump there's fresh in the trees here and there and everything is still soft.That said I agree with your advice, 100-110mm is great for a Colorado daily driver.
Tahoe with a few trips to in SLC/MT/WY each season. I'm originally from the east coast so that's a bit of a bias. It's been dry lately so that's probably more bias on top. I'd skew less pow and more variable/hard in general. Any ski is fun in pow.
Op I’d honestly recommend reckoner 102’s, can ski pnw pow with ease, and it’s still narrow enough where they work really well for groomer days and park on the east coast
Ski76I’m moving out to colorado next year and want a do it all ski. I’m in between a hard charger and playful skier I do both. Thinking about on3p jeffereys any other recommendations and what underfoot?
So maybe depends on a few variables like your weight and height to some extent. Maybe something with titanium in if you're like you say a charger.... so the ARV96 ti would be a good start. I have the J Ski master blaster which is titanium core and 99mm underfoot. Its pretty versatile. Not a true twin, but can do switch pretty well IMO. J Skis also have the Allplay if you want something a little softer for butters and such. Is also more of a true twin and about 99mm underfoot from memory.
baz25216So maybe depends on a few variables like your weight and height to some extent. Maybe something with titanium in if you're like you say a charger.... so the ARV96 ti would be a good start. I have the J Ski master blaster which is titanium core and 99mm underfoot. Its pretty versatile. Not a true twin, but can do switch pretty well IMO. J Skis also have the Allplay if you want something a little softer for butters and such. Is also more of a true twin and about 99mm underfoot from memory.
The TI in skis is titanal which is a type of aluminum not titanium as the TI abbreviation would suggest. Also 96 is too narrow for a one ski quiver in CO.
mystery3The TI in skis is titanal which is a type of aluminum not titanium as the TI abbreviation would suggest. Also 96 is too narrow for a one ski quiver in CO.
Fair dues, I guess I never asked the question re Ti... Ti in chemistry is titanium.... more alternative facts for you.... and no 96mm is not too narrow for one ski quiver. I skied many different options for one ski quivers over the years including the Dynastar Big trouble (92mm) and Atomic Theory (95mm) and more lately the J Skis Masterblaster (96mm). All of these are fine for me as a strong skier at 77kg weight.... Width and rocker are really just for people that have no technique.... I used to be able to ski deep pow on old school skis which were maybe 60mm under foot.... so did Glen Plake.... As Plake said, "good kit will give the elusion of your improvement, but you still can't ski''......
baz25216Fair dues, I guess I never asked the question re Ti... Ti in chemistry is titanium.... more alternative facts for you.... and no 96mm is not too narrow for one ski quiver. I skied many different options for one ski quivers over the years including the Dynastar Big trouble (92mm) and Atomic Theory (95mm) and more lately the J Skis Masterblaster (96mm). All of these are fine for me as a strong skier at 77kg weight.... Width and rocker are really just for people that have no technique.... I used to be able to ski deep pow on old school skis which were maybe 60mm under foot.... so did Glen Plake.... As Plake said, "good kit will give the elusion of your improvement, but you still can't ski''......
I too learned how to ski on straight skis, it doesn't mean that new ski tech is bad. I'd argue that making skiing easier or making advancing in skiing easier is a good thing.
I learned how to drive on a German station wagon from 1969 and now own one from 2019, does the 2019 car make driving easier? Yes. Is it also a better car in every regard? Yes.
mystery3I too learned how to ski on straight skis, it doesn't mean that new ski tech is bad. I'd argue that making skiing easier or making advancing in skiing easier is a good thing.I learned how to drive on a German station wagon from 1969 and now own one from 2019, does the 2019 car make driving easier? Yes. Is it also a better car in every regard? Yes.
True, I'm not advocating going back to straight skis either, it is not possible to carve like you can on modern skis. But for me rocker is not necessary and ruins skis in many cases. I'm in Europe and proper deep powder where you may actually benefit from such tech is pretty rare I would say. You'd be lucky for a season to have 7 good deep days now. But you constantly see loads of people running around on piste with the most ridiculous long rocketed tips that are doing absolutely nothing for the ski's performance, just flapping around like a drowning bird.
I get it, if you're the dude that can't ski on a week in deep stuff in BC. And I get it if you're the drop cliffs over 10 foot range. But for most people most of the time it is absolutely useless. I know this shit is mostly also personal preference once you're on a set of planks and get the feel of them. But for the best one ski quiver I owned was the Atomic Theory from 2012. Awesome planks, very little rocker, so little you could barely tell. Twin tip, not centre mounted but fairly close. 95mm under foot. I skied them everywhere and they were strong on piste, great in deep pow, and sweet in the park. The Big Trouble were similarly decent at everything. For me when you put rocker on skis they obviously have a tendency to wash out of turns and not bite properly from tip to tail in turns. If you like buttering around, that's great. I guess maybe it's cause I used to race that I don't like that feeling, particularly if I'm carving off a large booter. And I know you see dude buttering off big kickers these days too, so they love it. I just feel it is overused as tech for most people most of the time. Most people ain't buttering, using large kickers or in deep pow, most of the time. Certainly in Europe. But the industry is definitely selling the idea that everyone being off piste all the time is what's going to be happening. And there are way more Jerry's in the off piste environment these days than there used to be, and their rocker is not helping them in the slightest....
IsaacNW82I'd get something 97-112 underfoot that is pretty symmetrical and mount it accordingly.
BurstAlso what mount point do you like? Jeff wants a upright stance
baz25216But for the best one ski quiver I owned was the Atomic Theory from 2012. Awesome planks, very little rocker, so little you could barely tell. Twin tip, not centre mounted but fairly close.
Resurrecting this thread because I have similar question. Just got ON3P Crushin' Cans 102, hoping they will be my one ski quiver for trips n stuff. My understanding is they are similar to Jeffrey 102, maybe a little softer? I have always center mounted my skis because I typically ride park at least some point every day, but I heard it's possible to get away with mounting around -1cm from true center without sacrificing too much balance on rails. I am currently riding pow on center mounted 177cm K2 Poachers, so I think pretty much anything will be better for all mtn purposes haha