I’m no expert but I would caution to get the white walker over jj 116 UL. I was riding some powder and cut up stuff today on some 107 underfoot pure bamboo core with carbon in CO. They were doing everything I wanted. It’s a niche brand and the ski has been discontinued but this makes me want to steer you in the direction of, maybe, a Jeff 110 because they have many similarities

*I re-read your post. touring and playful freestyle can be a bit of an oxymoron sometimes

MaryJaneCheddaWhat up guys,

I’ve read a few threads similar to this but was hoping for some fresh perspectives. I’m looking to throw a cast system on something 108-112ish to use as my inbounds pow ski & some touring in Colorado. Not concerned about weight, more into the downhill performance but still don’t wanna lug anything too heinous up the skin track. New bent 110 is pretty much everything I wanted but sadly have come to the realization I won’t get one this season. Mainly like to dick around & throw stuff off natural features so looking for something pretty playful and surfy.

current ideas:

K2 reckoner 112

candide 3.0

Prodigy 3.0

armada jj 116 UL?

Also would appreciate any feedback on durability issues of any skis in this category. Just watched my buddy delaminate & total his line vision 108s landing switch off a small hit.

**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2022 at 11:30:56pm

I have no experience on them but after some reflection, fauna pioneer is described almost exactly like you described. Tad bit skinnier though

BradFiAusNzCoCaI’m no expert but I would caution to get the white walker over jj 116 UL. I was riding some powder and cut up stuff today on some 107 underfoot pure bamboo core with carbon in CO. They were doing everything I wanted. It’s a niche brand and the ski has been discontinued but this makes me want to steer you in the direction of, maybe, a Jeff 110 because they have many similarities

*I re-read your post. touring and playful freestyle can be a bit of an oxymoron sometimes

**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2022 at 11:30:56pm

BradFiAusNzCoCaI have no experience on them but after some reflection, fauna pioneer is described almost exactly like you described. Tad bit skinnier though

I'd agree. A Jeff will probably truck more than OP wants. Mango 110 maybe, but probably too forward for a 50/50.

Prodigy 3.0 would be another good option, but good luck finding a demo in the US.

I'm about to pull the trigger on a 188 armada arw UL for the same style of skiing in Utah

ON3P Jeffery 108 (now 110) is my favorite ski I've ever ridden ever in my entire life if that's worth anything to you. Rode it in the park all season and now this year only on pow days or Milly days.

I haven't heard anything good about factions durability reputation and I know the reckoners have had their issues too. Keep in mind also that 100 underfoot is sort of the all around perfect ski that will go anywhere, do anything. That may help you in your quest.

Also Amer hasn't done amazing things for Armada production quality from what I have witnessed in a looottt of skis....

In the same boat.. curious to see what shows up here.

Jeffery 110

Magnus 102

Woodsman 110

Woodsman 102

That's my list of bombproof, fun proof skis that you will never regret buying for this application.

SchoessJeffery 110

Magnus 102

Woodsman 110

Woodsman 102

That's my list of bombproof, fun proof skis that you will never regret buying for this application.

Just a word of warning here- ON3P have a super-specific feel. Lots of people love how "woody" they are but if you don't, you are SOL with their line. super polarizing skis in my experience and if you are considering anything from faction or armada or really any of the skis on your list, they will have a 100% different feel to any ON3P. Just try them OP. if you go to slopestyle in breck they will have basically all of these skis with demo bindings, and then if you pull the trigger you know you are supporting a really legit shop.

As for durability, all but one of those skis you have on the list are made in the same place and don't have any durability issues to my knowledge. Even the candides have been doing well durability-wise in the last few years. Lighter skis will always be less durable than heavier ones if they are both well made, and there is literally nothing I have ever found to prevent edge cracks besides heavy detuning

Put the Jskis hotshot and dynastar m-free 108 on your list as well. That ski is great for a damp all-mountain ski.

I’d agree and broaden that to bamboo in general. It absorbs then rebounds and snaps. If you’re not used to it, it can mess you up. But if you are, it’s great

AngryGrampsJust a word of warning here- ON3P have a super-specific feel. Lots of people love how "woody" they are but if you don't, you are SOL with their line. super polarizing skis in my experience and if you are considering anything from faction or armada or really any of the skis on your list, they will have a 100% different feel to any ON3P. Just try them OP. if you go to slopestyle in breck they will have basically all of these skis with demo bindings, and then if you pull the trigger you know you are supporting a really legit shop.

As for durability, all but one of those skis you have on the list are made in the same place and don't have any durability issues to my knowledge. Even the candides have been doing well durability-wise in the last few years. Lighter skis will always be less durable than heavier ones if they are both well made, and there is literally nothing I have ever found to prevent edge cracks besides heavy detuning

Put the Jskis hotshot and dynastar m-free 108 on your list as well. That ski is great for a damp all-mountain ski.

BradFiAusNzCoCaI’d agree and broaden that to bamboo in general. It absorbs then rebounds and snaps. If you’re not used to it, it can mess you up. But if you are, it’s great

Now I really want to demo some.

SchoessJeffery 110

Magnus 102

Woodsman 110

Woodsman 102

That's my list of bombproof, fun proof skis that you will never regret buying for this application.

since when is the magnus 102 good for touring bruh it has detuned edges

You should. It helps with landings and kicking you back on the balls of your feet when you learn how to channel it!

Among others things

OldManAtABasinNow I really want to demo some.

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vishnu wide plus or wide. I theink the wide floats better and is better inbounds but not as good to carve

BearsOnKetaminevishnu wide plus or wide. I theink the wide floats better and is better inbounds but not as good to carve

sometimes i wonder if some of you people have ever been backcountry skiing

poonissince when is the magnus 102 good for touring bruh it has detuned edges

If you schedule your buy correctly you can get one without a detune. But I definitely wouldn't want to tour on mine. It's SO far forward.

OP essentially it's up to you. If you want a bomber ski and like the characteristics of bamboo, don't care about weight, and importantly want to go FAST, Jeff 100/110 is the move, unquestionably.

If you want to ski more conservatively, I wouldn't get an ON3P. Something lighter and probably softer is what I would want in the Backcountry, where I'm not going as fast.

They want to TRUCK.

op, you say you don't care about weight but coming from someone who owns on3ps, they are heavy as fuck and i probably wouldn't want to haul those up long skin tracks. and for the love of god don't listen to the idiot telling you to get vishnus. i didn't get a chance to ski them this year before i got hurt but i was planning on using my jj uls for a resort/touring ski and they seem perfect for the job. henrik also says he stomped his biggest cliff on them, so take that for what it's worth.

You’re not lying. Bamboo is dense and heavy. A mothertrucker.

I love my bamboo skis but they tire my legs out like no other. Only other skis that worked me as hard as them was some LPro 105 aka M Pro 105s.

But let me clarify: I’m usually slashing and jumping on them so very dynamic skiing and this adds a lot to the fatigue

poonisop, you say you don't care about weight but coming from someone who owns on3ps, they are heavy as fuck and i probably wouldn't want to haul those up long skin tracks. and for the love of god don't listen to the idiot telling you to get vishnus. i didn't get a chance to ski them this year before i got hurt but i was planning on using my jj uls for a resort/touring ski and they seem perfect for the job. henrik also says he stomped his biggest cliff on them, so take that for what it's worth.

**This post was edited on Feb 7th 2022 at 2:01:31am

In CO on those Reckoner 112s. Only had em out 5 times this season but can only say good things. Wanted something around 110 to leave the Catamarans for the deep days. I'm partial to K2 but an absolute blast so far. Thought I scraped the hell out of em but they're durable af and excellent in any chop/variable snow. Maybe a bit on the heavier side for touring but if you want something to surf and pop that'd be my rec. Actually super easy to flick around, put em on the team line and it's a money plank.

poonissince when is the magnus 102 good for touring bruh it has detuned edges

lol? If you buy the skis they don't have to detune the edges?