How many times did you measure? And did you measure the reverse direction?

isaacwrongSelling my k2's after realizing gotta downsize. Just measured up the shell of my 25/25.5 boots though and they are a good 6-7cm longer than the stated BSL on the actual boot. Suppose to measure up at 294 and they actual tru up around 300mm-301mm. Is this pretty common for boots to not be true?

Both ways, reverse, upside down, still comes up way over 294 and even more than the 301 stated above probs closer to 302-303

@tomPietrowski

I just measured mine to check and mine come out to exactly 304mm (size 26.5)

my guess is you are bending the tape around the gripwalk sole rather than doing a straight pull measurement.

tru think your right, thought i was geekin

tomPietrowski

I just measured mine to check and mine come out to exactly 304mm (size 26.5)

my guess is you are bending the tape around the gripwalk sole rather than doing a straight pull measurement.

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All good man. Got me worried for a moment there though haha

How are the flex on those? Does the 120 feel like a true 120 or softer? Been looking at a pair but don’t really want a real 120 more like 100.

You know we offer a 100 flex if you want a boot at about 100.

UncleDustyHow are the flex on those? Does the 120 feel like a true 120 or softer? Been looking at a pair but don’t really want a real 120 more like 100.

tomPietrowskiYou know we offer a 100 flex if you want a boot at about 100.

Lol.

Also - it is common for boots to be a few millimeters off the stated BSL length. The aluminum shell mold may be 305mm, but with different plastics (PU vs. PP vs. PA) you can get boots coming out of the mold at an actual 302mm, 303mm etc. due to different shrinkage rates of plastics after they are molded (some plastics shrink more than others as they cool down once removed from the mold).

This can happen as long as a pair of boots is within 2mm of each other.

Def softer 120

UncleDustyHow are the flex on those? Does the 120 feel like a true 120 or softer? Been looking at a pair but don’t really want a real 120 more like 100.

tomPietrowskiYou know we offer a 100 flex if you want a boot at about 100.

I get that, I’ve just seen reviews that even though they are 120 or 100, the boots feel much softer than that compared to a regular alpine boot. So wasn’t sure if the 120 would feel more like a 100-110. If that makes sense

UncleDustyI get that, I’ve just seen reviews that even though they are 120 or 100, the boots feel much softer than that compared to a regular alpine boot. So wasn’t sure if the 120 would feel more like a 100-110. If that makes sense

Yeah makes sense. I certainly would not say the 120 feels like a 100, whatever a 100 is meant to feel like haha.

A big factor people forget with flex is the liner has a big impact too. The 120 uses the PrecisionFit Pro Tour and the 100 uses the LuxFit Pro Tour. the lux fit is going to be a softer more forgiving liner so if you want a softer overall fit and flex the 100 will probably be the best option. If you are used to the fit and feel of 100-110 boots the stiffer more performance liner in the 120 may throw you off a bit.

I personally would not say they feel much softer than most boots on the market. We benchmark test them back to back against a lot of boots in the market and try to aim to make the flex consistent to what is out there. So the 120 is going to be close to where most 120 freeride boots are. I also tend to think there is better consistency at the lower end of the flex scale. I would say most 100 flex boots feel much more consistent than the variations in flex of say 130 boots.

tomPietrowskiYeah makes sense. I certainly would not say the 120 feels like a 100, whatever a 100 is meant to feel like haha.

A big factor people forget with flex is the liner has a big impact too. The 120 uses the PrecisionFit Pro Tour and the 100 uses the LuxFit Pro Tour. the lux fit is going to be a softer more forgiving liner so if you want a softer overall fit and flex the 100 will probably be the best option. If you are used to the fit and feel of 100-110 boots the stiffer more performance liner in the 120 may throw you off a bit.

I personally would not say they feel much softer than most boots on the market. We benchmark test them back to back against a lot of boots in the market and try to aim to make the flex consistent to what is out there. So the 120 is going to be close to where most 120 freeride boots are. I also tend to think there is better consistency at the lower end of the flex scale. I would say most 100 flex boots feel much more consistent than the variations in flex of say 130 boots.

The 120 mindbender is definitely on par with like, the Lange XT3 the Strider 120 and the Cochise 120 (new Cochise 120, old one was dogshit). Like Tom said, there’s not a whole lot of consistency in the higher range so flex ratings should only be used as an initial guideline.