“griffons breaking” will be the biggest lib conspiracy of this decade. It’s perpetuated by a bunch of hippies who want you to buy look and On3p, ski Snowbasin, go to a boot fitter and all other kinds of stupid shit.

BrightFrog“griffons breaking” will be the biggest lib conspiracy of this decade. It’s perpetuated by a bunch of hippies who want you to buy look and On3p, ski Snowbasin, go to a boot fitter and all other kinds of stupid shit.

go to a boot fitter

Yea I think going to a boot fitter is good

I also have never broken a binding so I don’t think that will be too much of a problem

The attacks are cooler and have more colors for a price similar to the griffons

BrightFrog“griffons breaking” will be the biggest lib conspiracy of this decade. It’s perpetuated by a bunch of hippies who want you to buy look and On3p, ski Snowbasin, go to a boot fitter and all other kinds of stupid shit.

Griffons don't catastrophically fail, they just develop slop in the toe and are more expensive than the superior Attack series from Tyrolia. It's fax

How are the attacks better?

Shred12343I need a binding for a new ski. The ski I’m getting is either Tom wallisch pro or volkl bash 86 if that helps. I weigh around 95 pounds and am debating between attack tyrolla 13s marker griffon and look 12. I really like the sound of the griffons because there light. But I read that they break a lot. Any opinions?

What weights are you looking at? Afaik attacks are lighter than griffons which are lighter than sth which are lighter than pivots. The attacks were even lighter pre-gripwalk.

Shred12343How are the attacks better?

They arent, anything that isnt pivs or sth is plastic dogshit

mystery3What weights are you looking at? Afaik attacks are lighter than griffons which are lighter than sth which are lighter than pivots. The attacks were even lighter pre-gripwalk.

I just looked it up there like the same it says attacks are 2064 grams for the 12, and the griffon is 2041 so there both light

BrightFrog“griffons breaking” will be the biggest lib conspiracy of this decade. It’s perpetuated by a bunch of hippies who want you to buy look and On3p, ski Snowbasin, go to a boot fitter and all other kinds of stupid shit.

your not so bright, frog

bbw.enthusiastThey arent, anything that isnt pivs or sth is plastic dogshit

Is it bad that pivots are really heavy tho?

Shred12343Is it bad that pivots are really heavy tho?

You will never notice it spinning since they are at the center of the ski, you might feel it while popping but its only a few grams so i wouldnt stress over it

Griffons don't break. They're all I've ridden for 7 years

This is true. I’ve had the toes turn to complete dogshit.

They’re just not as sturdy, op, but you’re 95 lbs so it won’t be an issue. My vote goes to attack 11 for you

mystery3Griffons don't catastrophically fail, they just develop slop in the toe and are more expensive than the superior Attack series from Tyrolia. It's fax

BradFiAusNzCoCaThis is true. I’ve had the toes turn to complete dogshit.

They’re just not as sturdy, op, but you’re 95 lbs so it won’t be an issue. My vote goes to attack 11 for you

The Attack 11 has too much ramp angle it's more geared towards beginners. They are pretty light though and reasonably priced.

BradFiAusNzCoCaThis is true. I’ve had the toes turn to complete dogshit.

They’re just not as sturdy, op, but you’re 95 lbs so it won’t be an issue. My vote goes to attack 11 for you

mystery3The Attack 11 has too much ramp angle it's more geared towards beginners. They are pretty light though and reasonably priced.

at 95 lbs we ain't too worried, but yeah the 11s are made a little differently (for noobs/kids), and since the 13s are such a great price already, i'd say go for the 13s. still really light, low stack height, great binding, and honestly the 11s can't be too much cheaper given the prices you can get 13s for

plus OP will presumably grow

Ah ok. No experience with attack 11. Was just making an assumption based off 13

mystery3The Attack 11 has too much ramp angle it's more geared towards beginners. They are pretty light though and reasonably priced.

SofaKingSickat 95 lbs we ain't too worried, but yeah the 11s are made a little differently (for noobs/kids), and since the 13s are such a great price already, i'd say go for the 13s. still really light, low stack height, great binding, and honestly the 11s can't be too much cheaper given the prices you can get 13s for

plus OP will presumably grow

logmueGriffons don't break. They're all I've ridden for 7 years

BradFiAusNzCoCaAh ok. No experience with attack 11. Was just making an assumption based off 13

So griffons and attack 13 but no pivots are good?

Pivots are good. They’re expensive though. I think that’s why people didn’t suggest them.

Shred12343So griffons and attack 13 but no pivots are good?

Lower stack height and ramp angle are what I'd be looking for in a pair of bindings going on park skis, which seem to be the case for OP, and Attacks are both lower and flatter than Griffs. Like others have mentioned, I'd say weight between the two are close enough to be negligible and at 95 lbs I wouldn't worry about durability.

Shred12343So griffons and attack 13 but no pivots are good?

pivots are the gold standard, most people agree. super well-liked design that has earned its excellent reputation over years and years and the metal ones especially are really durable and last forever. likely no one mentioned them for you since they are expensive and a bit heavy, so not ideal for a beginner/small person (but would work of course)

attack 13s are our go-to suggestion for someone who is put off by the price or weight of pivots because attacks are shockingly cheap for their performance and they are light and have a low stack height (distance between your foot and the ski)

re: griffons, i don't like markers and many agree, but many disagree. they're fine, and you're light so you don't need to stress over this too much. but i doubt you'll find griffons for cheaper than attacks anyway

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Shred12343So griffons and attack 13 but no pivots are good?

BradFiAusNzCoCaPivots are good. They’re expensive though. I think that’s why people didn’t suggest them.

SofaKingSickpivots are the gold standard, most people agree. super well-liked design that has earned its excellent reputation over years and years and the metal ones especially are really durable and last forever. likely no one mentioned them for you since they are expensive and a bit heavy, so not ideal for a beginner/small person (but would work of course)

attack 13s are our go-to suggestion for someone who is put off by the price or weight of pivots because attacks are shockingly cheap for their performance and they are light and have a low stack height (distance between your foot and the ski)

re: griffons, i don't like markers and many agree, but many disagree. they're fine, and you're light so you don't need to stress over this too much. but i doubt you'll find griffons for cheaper than attacks anyway

**This post was edited on Sep 3rd 2021 at 1:40:16pm

Realistically most people that recommend pivots are doing it for drip as very few are skiing at a level that any differences in binding would really matter or be noticeable.

You absolutely cannot beat the value of the attack 13. I used to be a diehard STH guy but now all I own are attacks. Bonus they come in lots of sweet colors.

SessionRealistically most people that recommend pivots are doing it for drip as very few are skiing at a level that any differences in binding would really matter or be noticeable.

You absolutely cannot beat the value of the attack 13. I used to be a diehard STH guy but now all I own are attacks. Bonus they come in lots of sweet colors.

Ok so I’m probably going to go with attacks just as a can’t go wrong, maybe pivots if I can find the 12s for a deal. Should I go for the 11 or is the plastic bad? And 13 is the way to go.

Cheapest I have found pivot 12s for is $199.99 at the moment

Shred12343Ok so I’m probably going to go with attacks just as a can’t go wrong, maybe pivots if I can find the 12s for a deal. Should I go for the 11 or is the plastic bad? And 13 is the way to go.

get pivots, nothing beats the joy of taking them up the ass when u land backseat

BradFiAusNzCoCaCheapest I have found pivot 12s for is $199.99 at the moment

What about squires because those are insanely light and cheap and have some nice colors too?

Squires are even weaker than griffons. I just looked at the pricing and their roughly around same price as attacks (a little cheaper). Just get attack 13s. I promise you won’t regret it. I run them because of price and functionality. You just can’t beat the price. I usually opt for black because it goes with everything.

Shred12343What about squires because those are insanely light and cheap and have some nice colors too?