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Hey americuh we haz to ban a salt weapons bcuz in england u cannot haz guns and dey haz low crime ober there
Omg switzerland haz more guns than americuh? Omg in switzerland they incourage da citizens to own gunz and a salt weapons? Zomg dey must have like a gazilllion homocides there!!!
wait what da fuck is dis?
Zomg what is dis?
teenage girls in switzerland riding bike in public with a salt weapons on their backs?
Yeah i think its ridiculous that the anti gun ppl in the US literally run for the door as soon as they hear the word “switzerland”. They know that swiss citizens are encouraged by the government to own guns and they either try to ignore that fact and hope nobody brings it up, or they try to put in qualifier excuses to explain why the swiss system wouldnt work in the US. For fuck sake even US soldiers have to jump through all sorts of hoops to own guns. Like they have been trained with so called “assault” rifles and they cant even take their gun home with them. ATF busts them all the time too, apparently.
DolansLebensraumYeah i think its ridiculous that the anti gun ppl in the US literally run for the door as soon as they hear the word “switzerland”. They know that swiss citizens are encouraged by the government to own guns and they either try to ignore that fact and hope nobody brings it up, or they try to put in qualifier excuses to explain why the swiss system wouldnt work in the US. For fuck sake even US soldiers have to jump through all sorts of hoops to own guns. Like they have been trained with so called “assault” rifles and they cant even take their gun home with them. ATF busts them all the time too, apparently.
DolansLebensraumLike they have been trained with so called “assault” rifles and they cant even take their gun home with them.
This is a shit take. Of course they can't take controlled items home. They also can't take home night vision devices and communications crypto devices. These items are securely stored in vaults for accountability as they are either highly pilferable or represent a technology advantage over our adversaries. Every time the storage facility is opened or closed for the day a hand count must be conducted for quantity, and every time a weapon is issued there is a paper trail tha includes the serial number.
Your rifle or sidearm in the military is a tool used for a certain job, beyond that you have no need for it. Though you are more than welcome to buy your own.
SessionThis is a shit take. Of course they can't take controlled items home. They also can't take home night vision devices and communications crypto devices. These items are securely stored in vaults for accountability as they are either highly pilferable or represent a technology advantage over our adversaries. Every time the storage facility is opened or closed for the day a hand count must be conducted for quantity, and every time a weapon is issued there is a paper trail tha includes the serial number.
Your rifle or sidearm in the military is a tool used for a certain job, beyond that you have no need for it. Though you are more than welcome to buy your own.
Regarding whether its reasonable for the swiss government to encourage its citizens to keep assault weapons in their homes whether the citizens were formerly in the militia or not—-
Either you are right, or the richest, safest, most healthy, most beautiful nation in the world is right.
i get what you are saying about not wanting top level military technology to get out, but i think its ludicrous that americans in the military are not allowed (and encouraged) to bring their assault rifles home with them.
asparagusPretty sure theres less people in switzerland that want to commit homocides, not that more guns makes people less violent
More guns is safer tho bc most ppl are not the murdering type. Many instances have occurred in the us where a concealed carry civilian has prevented a murder or shooting from occurring.
if some of the teachers at sandy hook elementary had pistols on them the kill count might have been much lower or even 0.
Guns are alot of fun even if you dont kill anything. They are well oiled machines and the efficiency at which they perform certain mechanical tasks is beautiful in my opinion
Ive seen so many ar-15s with major problems and even ones that imploded on the shooter; i would never buy something so unreliable.
like honestly if the m16/m4/ar-15 is americas best entrant in the “weapons us americans can be proud of” then honestly we should just fucking give up. I appreciate that the 556 has awesome ballistics and range and accuracy out of an AR-15 but if your gun jams when a grizzly or polar bear is charging you who gives a flying fuck what its working capabilities are.
taking an ar-15 to a zombie apocalypse instead of a kalashnikov is like taking a ferrari offroading instead of a defender.
reliability/dependability is much more important than having 10% better performance.
Monsieur_Patatelmao dolan getting his news from facebook and then spreading the misinformation, what else is new
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**This post was edited on May 28th 2021 at 1:59:59pm
“a-a-a-anderzon koopa and donald lemon sayz da a salt guns is killed five hundred million ppl nd if you buy a salt weapon iz bcuz you want murder 1 hundred ppls im gold blud and also u iz white supremzis”
DolansLebensraumIve seen so many ar-15s with major problems and even ones that imploded on the shooter; i would never buy something so unreliable.
like honestly if the m16/m4/ar-15 is americas best entrant in the “weapons us americans can be proud of” then honestly we should just fucking give up. I appreciate that the 556 has awesome ballistics and range and accuracy out of an AR-15 but if your gun jams when a grizzly or polar bear is charging you who gives a flying fuck what its working capabilities are.
taking an ar-15 to a zombie apocalypse instead of a kalashnikov is like taking a ferrari offroading instead of a defender.
reliability/dependability is much more important than having 10% better performance.
DolansLebensraumMan saying ad hominem shit like this just makes you look like you have accepted my statements as true because you have no stable platform to retort.
just say your opinion man. I might be convinced by it ffs. But not coming to the table is your loss not mine.
DolansLebensraumIve seen so many ar-15s with major problems and even ones that imploded on the shooter; i would never buy something so unreliable.
like honestly if the m16/m4/ar-15 is americas best entrant in the “weapons us americans can be proud of” then honestly we should just fucking give up. I appreciate that the 556 has awesome ballistics and range and accuracy out of an AR-15 but if your gun jams when a grizzly or polar bear is charging you who gives a flying fuck what its working capabilities are.
taking an ar-15 to a zombie apocalypse instead of a kalashnikov is like taking a ferrari offroading instead of a defender.
reliability/dependability is much more important than having 10% better performance.
I know you have this mysticism built up in your head about the AK. The old pull it our of the mud and blast away story.
Most of the problems you will see with AR's is poor build using shitty components, buffer systems that do not compliment the gas system or simply pre-builts for poors that just suck. It's somewhat of a misnomer that they are just like lego's. Any AR build should at the very least have the headspace gauged. lastly there is the geniuses who mix up their 5.56/.223 with .300 blackout and blow their gun up.
I ran unit level arms rooms for combat arms unit's for years, did unit level maintenance, and served as the armorer on countless qualifying, and live fire ranges. I can't point to a single issue with a weapons system that was not ammunition induced, user error, or a combination of the two. Simply put a properly built and maintained AR platform carbine or rifle will just run. There is a reason that despite spending billions in testing and development the US armed forces have stuck with the platform since Vietnam while every other piece of equipment and vehicles have been replaced multiple times
AK's run good too. But there are also shitty AK's that fucking suck.
I know some Vietnam veteran probably poisoned you with their horror stories from Nam about the M16. But even in the case of the introduction in Vietnam where the rifles were failing in combat. That was a case of willful deviation from the original design parameters. Namely the powder in the rounds that were issued, and the army refusing to chrome plate chamber and bores of the rifles as Eugene Stoner and Armalite recommended.
Most of the problems you will see with AR's is poor build using shitty components, buffer systems that do not compliment the gas system or simply pre-builts for poors that just suck. It's somewhat of a misnomer that they are just like lego's. Any AR build should at the very least have the headspace gauged. lastly there is the geniuses who mix up their 5.56/.223 with .300 blackout and blow their gun up.
I ran unit level arms rooms for combat arms unit's for years, did unit level maintenance, and served as the armorer on countless qualifying, and live fire ranges. I can't point to a single issue with a weapons system that was not ammunition induced, user error, or a combination of the two. Simply put a properly built and maintained AR platform carbine or rifle will just run. There is a reason that despite spending billions in testing and development the US armed forces have stuck with the platform since Vietnam while every other piece of equipment and vehicles have been replaced multiple times
AK's run good too. But there are also shitty AK's that fucking suck.
I know some Vietnam veteran probably poisoned you with their horror stories from Nam about the M16. But even in the case of the introduction in Vietnam where the rifles were failing in combat. That was a case of willful deviation from the original design parameters. Namely the powder in the rounds that were issued, and the army refusing to chrome plate chamber and bores of the rifles as Eugene Stoner and Armalite recommended.
Ive watched so many vids of how ar-15s work from inside out and im literally convinced the ppl who designed it were autistic and had very little out of the box intuition for how to make a highly reliable auto rifle. Just like every design feature seems like it was made by someone who didnt have much visual spatial genius.
Everything in the design of an ar-15 is as sketch as the forward assist button.
-store clerk-“heres your new ar15 son, enjoy”
-“what is this button for here?”
-“oh thats the forward assist button for when your rifle malfunctions and doesnt load”
-“my ar is going to fail to battery so often theres a dedicated button for when it malfunctions?”
DolansLebensraumIve watched so many vids of how ar-15s work from inside out and im literally convinced the ppl who designed it were autistic and had very little out of the box intuition for how to make a highly reliable auto rifle. Just like every design feature seems like it was made by someone who didnt have much visual spatial genius.
Everything in the design of an ar-15 is as sketch as the forward assist button.
-store clerk-“heres your new ar15 son, enjoy”
-“what is this button for here?”
-“oh thats the forward assist button for when your rifle malfunctions and doesnt load”
-“my ar is going to fail to battery so often theres a dedicated button for when it malfunctions?”
-“yep! Sonny, this is the american way”
-“does an ak47 have forward assist?”
-“nope!”
-“why not?”
-“who knows...”
The AK does have a forward assist. It's called the charging handle which is directly attached to the bolt carrier.
Again, not part of the original design, but was dictated by the procurement folks in the Army. If used judiciously in extreme situations, not a BAD thing. But the designer did not think it was necessary. However it was a follow on to mimic features that it's predecessors had.
Besides the forward assist, give me something else that your genius level weapons design mind is thinking is bad about the design.
DolansLebensraumAlso pop density is more relevant than total pop. The murder rate per 100k citizens shouldnt change just bc one nation has a higher population
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This is all irrelevant because the premise of your argument is factually incorrect. Switzerland does not have the lowest homicide rate in the entire world, nor does it require its citizen to own guns anyway. You're just making stuff up, and/or believing whatever fake stuff the right-wing social media pages you follow spoon fed you, either way, that's why people on here don't really take you seriously bruh, half of the shit you post is just made up bs and no one has time to sort through.
People should be able to do whatever the fuck they want... with proper education and safety training of course, Switzerland has a good deal going on, I think if the US government/NRA/Local orgs were to give people proper firearm education it shouldn't matter what type of weapon you have
Monsieur_PatateThis is all irrelevant because the premise of your argument is factually incorrect. Switzerland does not have the lowest homicide rate in the entire world, nor does it require its citizen to own guns anyway. You're just making stuff up, and/or believing whatever fake stuff the right-wing social media pages you follow spoon fed you, either way, that's why people on here don't really take you seriously bruh, half of the shit you post is just made up bs and no one has time to sort through.
Switzerland encourages its citizens to keep and own guns. And switzerlands murder rate is among the lowest in the world.
this chart below kinda shows that of the 2 of us, you are the one who is effectively full of shit, not me.
DolansLebensraumSwitzerland encourages its citizens to keep and own guns. And switzerlands murder rate is among the lowest in the world.
this chart below kinda shows that of the 2 of us, you are the one who is effectively full of shit, not me.
I served in the swiss military. All males who are physically and mentally capable have to here. We are not encouraged or discouraged to own a gun by anyone. It is normal to take your firearm (sig 550) home... without any ammunition.
People who do own private weapons are mostly people who hunt or have inherited them.
Fully automatic weapons are illegal in switzerland. The military sig 550 is capable off full auto during service. This is never seriously used in training as our training focuses on precision. Once you completed your service you can choose to buy your sig 550 from the military. If you do so they modify it so it cannot shoot full auto anymore. The ones who do buy their sig 550 after service are usually the ones who enjoy going to the shooting range or have already done so for years.
Swiss people do not own guns for protection. We own them in service, as a hunting weapon or for the shooting range.
Opinion: Guns are fun. Want to own one? Do appropriate training at a range. They then should decide if you are in a mentally and physically capaple state of owning the specific firearm you did training for.
This is gonna be my only post in this thread. Stay safe, lock up your weapons.
**This post was edited on Jun 3rd 2021 at 8:19:32am
swisssteezeI served in the swiss military. All males who are physically and mentally capable have to here. We are not encouraged or discouraged to own a gun by anyone. It is normal to take your firearm (sig 550) home... without any ammunition.
People who do own private weapons are mostly people who hunt or have inherited them.
Fully automatic weapons are illegal in switzerland. The military sig 550 is capable off full auto during service. This is never seriously used in training as our training focuses on precision. Once you completed your service you can choose to buy your sig 550 from the military. If you do so they modify it so it cannot shoot full auto anymore. The ones who do buy their sig 550 after service are usually the ones who enjoy going to the shooting range or have already done so for years.
Swiss people do not own guns for protection. We own them in service, as a hunting weapon or for the shooting range.
Opinion: Guns are fun. Want to own one? Do appropriate training at a range. They then should decide if you are in a mentally and physically capaple state of owning the specific firearm you did training for.
This is gonna be my only post in this thread. Stay safe, lock up your weapons.
**This post was edited on Jun 3rd 2021 at 8:19:32am
Ive heard differently about the full auto thing and seen vids of swiss ppl shooting full auto at what look like public ranges but whatever.
DolansLebensraumSwitzerland encourages its citizens to keep and own guns. And switzerlands murder rate is among the lowest in the world.
this chart below kinda shows that of the 2 of us, you are the one who is effectively full of shit, not me.
> Claims in the OP that Switzerland has the "lowest homicide rate in the entire world"
> Is called out on it being factually incorrect
> Proceeds to share graph on which Switzerland is 8th lowest
I invite you to lookup the definition of lowest in the dictionary. You're proving my point, Switzerland does not have the lowest homicide rate in the entire world, maybe the 8th lowest (although your list only has like 30 countries on there).
You see where I'm getting at? You take shortcuts, you misrepresent stuff, you share things you haven't fact-checked, this is classic with you, and that's why I'm not taking anything you say seriously because I have 0 trust for anything you position as "fact".
"requires citizens to own guns" is also factually incorrect, a quick Google search would have told you that too.
Stop posting made up bs as facts bruh, as simple as that.