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I depend on the little space cushion between a skier and the edge of the run so i have room to squeak past them as i blow by them at mach 2. Some chad beginners seem to have a habit of pizzaing in a straight line and then suddenly darting off sideways to the very edge of the run right before you pass them.
also ppl with chaotic turning patterns are a nightmare.
You gotta channel your inner racer and learn gaper slalom
Put your shinners and guards on and hit gapers like gates (well maybe don't actually hit them but get damn close)
When I used to race I remember training at Copper Mountain and absolutely destroying jerrys as we blew past them at the end of the day. Bunch of top level racers coming down the mountain to jockey for tables at the cafeteria so we didn't give a fuck anymore.
Get some shorter radius skis and learn how to hammer through tight slalom turns and then make a game out of trying to dodge gapers. Sure, a few of them will get spooked and maybe eat shit after you apex past them but it's worth it to get first dibs on tendies at the bottom of the mountain.
**This post was edited on Mar 9th 2021 at 8:36:55pm
Even as a weekend warrior it's pretty damn rare that I have close calls. A generally good rule of thumb is that if a person is turning one direction, turn the opposite way. It's much more likely for them to cut up higher on the same turn than it is for them to flip 180 and make a high angle turn all of a sudden, and usually it isn't possible. I've had one fall where someone turned in a very unexpected way this year and it was because my DINS were set too low, and I'd had a few too many beers. I didn't hit them, but it was close. Just don't crash into jerry, or you are jerry.
_Garagely_I think the best solution here is to nullify the rule that anyone ahead of you has the right of way
This.
when im skiing at sub mach i always keep my side to side turning width very narrow so ppl behind me can easily pass me without worrying about me suddenly cutting across the whole run.
I just feel like its kind of an asshole move to not consider the people behind you who are trying to pass you when youre skiing slow bc ur with somebody novice or something.
dietcoke.manYou gotta channel your inner racer and learn gaper slalomPut your shinners and guards on and hit gapers like gates (well maybe don't actually hit them but get damn close)
When I used to race I remember training at Copper Mountain and absolutely destroying jerrys as we blew past them at the end of the day. Bunch of top level racers coming down the mountain to jockey for tables at the cafeteria so we didn't give a fuck anymore.
Get some shorter radius skis and learn how to hammer through tight slalom turns and then make a game out of trying to dodge gapers. Sure, a few of them will get spooked and maybe eat shit after you apex past them but it's worth it to get first dibs on tendies at the bottom of the mountain.
**This post was edited on Mar 9th 2021 at 8:36:55pm
Haha. Im pretty good at gaper slalom. For me the trick is never making your decision to early. You gotta wait until you know where the gaper will be as you pass them before deciding which side to pass them on. If you decide to early the gaper could surprise you with some unexpected shit.
BigPurpleSkiSuitEven as a weekend warrior it's pretty damn rare that I have close calls. A generally good rule of thumb is that if a person is turning one direction, turn the opposite way. It's much more likely for them to cut up higher on the same turn than it is for them to flip 180 and make a high angle turn all of a sudden, and usually it isn't possible. I've had one fall where someone turned in a very unexpected way this year and it was because my DINS were set too low, and I'd had a few too many beers. I didn't hit them, but it was close. Just don't crash into jerry, or you are jerry.
You gotta forshadow that shit tho. If im 40 yrds behind a gaper who is cutting across to the right, i will look to pass him on the right bc when i get there he will be cutting back to the left again.
DolansLebensraumSome chad beginners seem to have a habit of pizzaing in a straight line and then suddenly darting off sideways to the very edge of the run right before you pass them.
This shit is the worst, and it happens all the time. Completely oblivious to the world around them. Nothing like an immediate 90 degree turn out of nowhere without looking up hill.
And why is it that Jerries can go blasting down a hill past ski patrol / mountain ops / yellow jackets and not get pulled over when they are wildly out of control.
LemuelThis shit is the worst, and it happens all the time. Completely oblivious to the world around them. Nothing like an immediate 90 degree turn out of nowhere without looking up hill.And why is it that Jerries can go blasting down a hill past ski patrol / mountain ops / yellow jackets and not get pulled over when they are wildly out of control.
Jerries are cash cows and most likely do not hold a pass. If they get a bad taste skiing they are unlikely to return to that resort thus losing $ for the resort. So most mountains allow them be Jerries, dangerous and reckless. On the flip side of that you have skiers that know how to ski and most likely have a pass. Meaning that the resort already has their money and they have nothing else to gain from them. What does this all mean? Means all you have to do is ski in a full pizza at 50 mph by patrol or yellow jackets to be in the clear. Make sure to toss the helmet up with the nice gap to really sell it.
Vail makes majority of their money by getting season pass holder cash and then capitalizing on on-mountain purchases. At least they did a couple of years ago when I did a report on them and their 10K financial statements. They were selling something like 675,000 passes.
They get people in NY, PA, Michigan, etc. to buy the local pass then use it out west and spend gazillions on lodging and food and rentals. It was a smart move. Those people were gonna go out west once a year anyways - why not guarantee they go to your resorts?
They do the same with Australians and Canada/USA. So a lot of those people do have passes, just not local passes.
snowfinderJerries are cash cows and most likely do not hold a pass. If they get a bad taste skiing they are unlikely to return to that resort thus losing $ for the resort. So most mountains allow them be Jerries, dangerous and reckless. On the flip side of that you have skiers that know how to ski and most likely have a pass. Meaning that the resort already has their money and they have nothing else to gain from them. What does this all mean? Means all you have to do is ski in a full pizza at 50 mph by patrol or yellow jackets to be in the clear. Make sure to toss the helmet up with the nice gap to really sell it.
everyone is out to just have a good time. gotta predict the unpredictable. it's called defensive skiing. I too get caught up in it from time to time. I'll be linking turning consistently for half a run and then see a nice little side hit and change my turn and go hit that thing. Doesnt make me a beginner at all, just enjoying the run. Also. if you are as good as you say you are.. you should know the downhill skier has the right of way..
Saga.Side of the trail can sometimes have the best snow. East coasters know what I'm talking about. All those turns on icy trails push soft piles up on the side.Additionally, side of trail snow curbs are endless fun.
no it's terrible over there.. don't ski the sides.. stay in the middle preferably under the chairlifts like a good lil gaper.
i_fall_a_lotalso gapers should be fined for going in the park and side hitting and casing perfectly good jumps. No one even bothers to read the signs at the top of the park anymore, they just treat it like a groomer with features for them to mess up.
i mean, i do all those things and i'm the best skier on this site..?
DolansLebensraumHaha. Im pretty good at gaper slalom. For me the trick is never making your decision to early. You gotta wait until you know where the gaper will be as you pass them before deciding which side to pass them on. If you decide to early the gaper could surprise you with some unexpected shit.
Try to look one gate (gaper) ahead of you and swing around them in the opposite direction of wherever they happen to be drifting off to. There's an art to it.
DolansLebensraumI depend on the little space cushion between a skier and the edge of the run so i have room to squeak past them as i blow by them at mach 2. Some chad beginners seem to have a habit of pizzaing in a straight line and then suddenly darting off sideways to the very edge of the run right before you pass them.also ppl with chaotic turning patterns are a nightmare.
now that is how i broke my first bone
BigPurpleSkiSuitEven as a weekend warrior it's pretty damn rare that I have close calls. A generally good rule of thumb is that if a person is turning one direction, turn the opposite way. It's much more likely for them to cut up higher on the same turn than it is for them to flip 180 and make a high angle turn all of a sudden, and usually it isn't possible. I've had one fall where someone turned in a very unexpected way this year and it was because my DINS were set too low, and I'd had a few too many beers. I didn't hit them, but it was close. Just don't crash into jerry, or you are jerry.
I make the pass right as they change direction. Generally unlikely for a jerry to make two quick turns in a row.
snowfinderJerries are cash cows and most likely do not hold a pass. If they get a bad taste skiing they are unlikely to return to that resort thus losing $ for the resort. So most mountains allow them be Jerries, dangerous and reckless. On the flip side of that you have skiers that know how to ski and most likely have a pass. Meaning that the resort already has their money and they have nothing else to gain from them. What does this all mean? Means all you have to do is ski in a full pizza at 50 mph by patrol or yellow jackets to be in the clear. Make sure to toss the helmet up with the nice gap to really sell it.
Now I'm just imagining a flying V of newschoolers with gaper gaps pizzaing past the yellow jackets
freeskibum82everyone is out to just have a good time. gotta predict the unpredictable. it's called defensive skiing. I too get caught up in it from time to time. I'll be linking turning consistently for half a run and then see a nice little side hit and change my turn and go hit that thing. Doesnt make me a beginner at all, just enjoying the run. Also. if you are as good as you say you are.. you should know the downhill skier has the right of way..
I guarantee you i could ski in a way that if you were trying to pass me you would slam straight into me.
then youd look pretty not clever with your “dh skier has right of way” shit that everybody knows.
when i carve like a butcher i frequently look uphill to make sure im not going to slingshot my ass straight into a person behind me who is pointing it.
the whole “i can do what i want bc im downhill from you” idea you are repeating as if we havent heard it 300 times b4 kind of makes you look like an asshole.
DolansLebensraumI guarantee you i could ski in a way that if you were trying to pass me you would slam straight into me.then youd look pretty not clever with your “dh skier has right of way” shit that everybody knows.
when i carve like a butcher i frequently look uphill to make sure im not going to slingshot my ass straight into a person behind me who is pointing it.
the whole “i can do what i want bc im downhill from you” idea you are repeating as if we havent heard it 300 times b4 kind of makes you look like an asshole.