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Good Evening fellow New Schoolers. I have talked about this personal issue before on here before and got some great advice but it hasn’t quite helped me out yet! Really wanting to explore options before I purchase new boots. I am a fairly aggressive hard charging big air rider. This season i’ve started to get some major pain in my peroneal tendon.(both legs) and clearly i have not let it heal considering i’m going 3+ days straight or every weekend. I’ve got size 28.5 Full Tilt First chairs. A great boot but just constant issues. Pressure points, pain etc. To counteract this what I thought was the issue was a packed out liner. So i upgraded to a harder intuition liner. Heat moulded and professionally boot fitted. Rode on them 5 days so far and to my luck the pain is still here and if not getting worse. Today i rode lose buckled up top with my power band tight. This resulted me in getting major shin bang LoL. I’m looking for advice as to what my next step should be. New boots? Style? I’m a little lost. Thinking now that i’m 21 and got these boots when i was 17 the flex may be too soft for me now.... Honestly any advice helps going to have to sit out this weekend and heal up.
Had to google to find out exactly where those tendons were but from the looks of where they are, definitely seems like it would be from too much volume in your boots. I would try to find the best boot fitter in your area and go to them to get some input. Do you have a footbed? If not, footbeds can help stabilize the foot as well
f100prerunnerHad to google to find out exactly where those tendons were but from the looks of where they are, definitely seems like it would be from too much volume in your boots. I would try to find the best boot fitter in your area and go to them to get some input. Do you have a footbed? If not, footbeds can help stabilize the foot as well
Also my calf’s aren’t massive so there is definitely room in the liner when I’m riding.
NickRobertsoonAlso my calf’s aren’t massive so there is definitely room in the liner when I’m riding.
Gotcha. A footbed will provide your arch and foot with good support and helps to stabilize your whole foot/ankle. I would recommend them to anyone who skis somewhat aggressively. With that said, too big of boots are a definitely possibility and should be prioritized over a footbed. if you have wiggle room in your boots I would prioritize finding someone with good boot fitting knowledge and make a visit to them (there’s a lot of bad “boot fitters” so make sure to find a reputable/good one)
Peroneal calf hurts (which is not too common) and you got major shin bang. 100% sounds like your volume on your boots is too high. Youre not getting any support from your boot so you’re wearing your calf/foot out. As mentioned, get some foot beds 100%. I just did some reading on it and they say it can be caused from runners rolling their foot out - aka your foot is rolling in your boot. So really important to get those foot beds!
Worst comes to worst you might just need to take some days off boss. 3 days of hard charging in a row, especially early in the season, is a tall order on your legs.
shinbangclanWorst comes to worst you might just need to take some days off boss. 3 days of hard charging in a row, especially early in the season, is a tall order on your legs.
I can see that. But also even today i was taking it super easy. And i was just fully done by the end of the day. I can honestly rate the pain 8/10 it’s brutal. My buddies don’t have any issues with there boots which is annoying to be the guy who’s gotta go early because you can’t enjoy yourself anymore
NickRobertsoonI can see that. But also even today i was taking it super easy. And i was just fully done by the end of the day. I can honestly rate the pain 8/10 it’s brutal. My buddies don’t have any issues with there boots which is annoying to be the guy who’s gotta go early because you can’t enjoy yourself anymore
Two seasons ago I had ridiculous calf pain that was so bad I was shaking in my legs when I stood upright. I had been charging hard backseat for five days in a row, basically. I tried taking a day or two off but it wasn't enough. Ended up being a week off for me just swimming and recovering from wearing ski boots.
I feel like 9/10 times its a technique problem and not a boot problem; I haven't had serious shinbang since I starting staying out of the backseat and pressing forward in my boots. If you know your boots fit well, you should perhaps look into how you're skiing and if it's your body position that is causing immense strain on your calves.
Did a professional boot fitter tell you they are too big or right? You should def do that first. I’m a “10” in men’s shoes and wear a 26.5 low volume for reference and I think that’s generally a good performance fit on some gigantic average over generalization scale.
Apart from that you may just be injured. I had calf problems before and would literally hurt it by just walking around. Took like 3 years to get better even with physical therapy. None skiing related injury tho.
Could I guess demo some skis with a wildly different mount point to change your stance a bit. Like if you are on something close to center get some mantras at like -12 that you’ll have to be forward on all day and see if it helps?
shinbangclanTwo seasons ago I had ridiculous calf pain that was so bad I was shaking in my legs when I stood upright. I had been charging hard backseat for five days in a row, basically. I tried taking a day or two off but it wasn't enough. Ended up being a week off for me just swimming and recovering from wearing ski boots.
I feel like 9/10 times its a technique problem and not a boot problem; I haven't had serious shinbang since I starting staying out of the backseat and pressing forward in my boots. If you know your boots fit well, you should perhaps look into how you're skiing and if it's your body position that is causing immense strain on your calves.
I appreciate the advice man. I’m no boot fitted but im going to do a shell fit in a little bit and see what kinda room i have in the boot. Also i don’t think i ride in the back seat often unless i’m totally out of control landing a jump. Maybe 1 or 2 times a day.
ericformanDid a professional boot fitter tell you they are too big or right? You should def do that first. I’m a “10” in men’s shoes and wear a 26.5 low volume for reference and I think that’s generally a good performance fit on some gigantic average over generalization scale.
Apart from that you may just be injured. I had calf problems before and would literally hurt it by just walking around. Took like 3 years to get better even with physical therapy. None skiing related injury tho.
Could I guess demo some skis with a wildly different mount point to change your stance a bit. Like if you are on something close to center get some mantras at like -12 that you’ll have to be forward on all day and see if it helps?
I’m a size 10.5 and wear 28.5 boots. And I’m going to head over to my local shop today and see what they say about my current boot set up.
Fuck I’ve been having the exact same problem and didn’t know what it was so thank you. I’ve found that stretching out on the lift and after skiing helps with the pain in general, but doesn’t really make skiing any more comfortable. Definitely update this if you find something that helps for you because I haven’t
hdubsFuck I’ve been having the exact same problem and didn’t know what it was so thank you. I’ve found that stretching out on the lift and after skiing helps with the pain in general, but doesn’t really make skiing any more comfortable. Definitely update this if you find something that helps for you because I haven’t
Yeah stretching helps a little bit so does loosening the boot on the lift. But fuck man usually i can handle pain pretty well. This shit sucks
NickRobertsoonYeah stretching helps a little bit so does loosening the boot on the lift. But fuck man usually i can handle pain pretty well. This shit sucks
Yeah no it gets pretty damn bad. This weekend was the last time I’m gonna ski for a few weeks so I just popped a few Advil and muddled through it. I probably did a few too many butters as well but I’m young and my body can take it.
hdubsYeah no it gets pretty damn bad. This weekend was the last time I’m gonna ski for a few weeks so I just popped a few Advil and muddled through it. I probably did a few too many butters as well but I’m young and my body can take it.
I know your pain brotha. It fucken blows i’m in trades school right now but have been trying to get up every weekend i can. at least i’m able to rest up pretty well during the week.
NickRobertsoonShe’ll Fit, Toes pressing the front of the boot. Looks like fair bit of room behind my heel....
I'm not an expert on this but I think it's supposed to be three fingers distance between your calf and the boot for comfort and two for performance (when it's buckled up...?). Hopefully someone can back me up or correct me but that looks a bit big to me imo.
shinbangclanI'm not an expert on this but I think it's supposed to be three fingers distance between your calf and the boot for comfort and two for performance (when it's buckled up...?). Hopefully someone can back me up or correct me but that looks a bit big to me imo.
I had the tongue forward on that pic. Just my toes pressing the shell. Read online approx 2 fingers behind the heel for comfort and 1 finger for performance. Obviously i’m still going to go get professionally boot fitted before i do anything else.
Oh dude! I know this one. I used to own Full Tilt Booters and used them while touring and hucking inbounds. Over a season, I began developping that ankle pain. I kept riding until it snapped and was forced to spend a month on the couch and wheelchair.
So, I bought a pair of Technica Cochise and I never had any pain in the peroneal tendon again. I can safely say, this is your boot that is causing the problem.
Its hard to see, but its all bruised and swollen. The top tendon that connects the shin and foot blew out from the damage.
freestyler540Oh dude! I know this one. I used to own Full Tilt Booters and used them while touring and hucking inbounds. Over a season, I began developping that ankle pain. I kept riding until it snapped and was forced to spend a month on the couch and wheelchair.
So, I bought a pair of Technica Cochise and I never had any pain in the peroneal tendon again. I can safely say, this is your boot that is causing the problem.
Its hard to see, but its all bruised and swollen. The top tendon that connects the shin and foot blew out from the damage.
What was the problem with your boot that made them so painful for you. I know for myself and I think OP we have some extra space in our boots, but idk if there's anything else i need to look out for.
freestyler540Oh dude! I know this one. I used to own Full Tilt Booters and used them while touring and hucking inbounds. Over a season, I began developping that ankle pain. I kept riding until it snapped and was forced to spend a month on the couch and wheelchair.
So, I bought a pair of Technica Cochise and I never had any pain in the peroneal tendon again. I can safely say, this is your boot that is causing the problem.
Its hard to see, but its all bruised and swollen. The top tendon that connects the shin and foot blew out from the damage.
I truly appreciate the advice man. Yah the pain is brutal and that’s what i’m worried about, blowing my tendons. The pain starts just above my ankle and travels about a 1/4 way of my calf.
NickRobertsoonI truly appreciate the advice man. Yah the pain is brutal and that’s what i’m worried about, blowing my tendons. The pain starts just above my ankle and travels about a 1/4 way of my calf.
I ditched the boot and got new ones. Still have them as backup and lend me downs. All problems stopped after getting the technica cochise, a boot more oriented for big mountain skiing.
freestyler540I ditched the boot and got new ones. Still have them as backup and lend me downs. All problems stopped after getting the technica cochise, a boot more oriented for big mountain skiing.
I’ve been trying to find a better big mountain boot but very little available where i live unless i make the trek to whistler which it seems like that might be the move. I was told the technica cochise has a wider instep and had high volume around the ankle? I got pretty skinny calf’s n ankles
NickRobertsoonI’ve been trying to find a better big mountain boot but very little available where i live unless i make the trek to whistler which it seems like that might be the move. I was told the technica cochise has a wider instep and had high volume around the ankle? I got pretty skinny calf’s n ankles
I’d definitely recommend going to a good/reputable boot fitter that has a good selection of performance oriented boots. Every foot is different and some boots will be a tight fit for some people, but loose for others. There definitely are more performance fits than the Cochise before entering the actual race boot territory. If you truly have skinny ankles and feet and you’re skiing harder/progressing a good amount you may even want a low volume boot.... But like I said earlier only a good boot fitter can really help you figure that out
f100prerunnerI’d definitely recommend going to a good/reputable boot fitter that has a good selection of performance oriented boots. Every foot is different and some boots will be a tight fit for some people, but loose for others. There definitely are more performance fits than the Cochise before entering the actual race boot territory. If you truly have skinny ankles and feet and you’re skiing harder/progressing a good amount you may even want a low volume boot.... But like I said earlier only a good boot fitter can really help you figure that out
Thanks man. Unreal community on here appreciate the advice!
NickRobertsoonI’ve been trying to find a better big mountain boot but very little available where i live unless i make the trek to whistler which it seems like that might be the move. I was told the technica cochise has a wider instep and had high volume around the ankle? I got pretty skinny calf’s n ankles
Id say I have average size calfs and I get a good fit with it. However, some people hated the boot. The trek to a good ski shop is worth it... but after the covid pandemic
freestyler540Id say I have average size calfs and I get a good fit with it. However, some people hated the boot. The trek to a good ski shop is worth it... but after the covid pandemic
Do you have the FC with the wrap liner? I had the same issue, I couldn’t get the liners to close enough around my leg which resulted in shin bang, heel lift, and major peroneal pain. I switched to an Intuition Pro Tongue and it helped a shit ton to lock my foot down and prevent that pain. Ik you just got new liners so obviously I’m not telling you to buy new ones but it’s worth checking out, helped me a bunch.
animatorDo you have the FC with the wrap liner? I had the same issue, I couldn’t get the liners to close enough around my leg which resulted in shin bang, heel lift, and major peroneal pain. I switched to an Intuition Pro Tongue and it helped a shit ton to lock my foot down and prevent that pain. Ik you just got new liners so obviously I’m not telling you to buy new ones but it’s worth checking out, helped me a bunch.
You put the pro tongue inside your first chairs? I was told by the boot fitter not to do this. :/ But yah man the liner doesn’t make full contact with my calf throughout the boot
NickRobertsoonYou put the pro tongue inside your first chairs? I was told by the boot fitter not to do this. :/ But yah man the liner doesn’t make full contact with my calf throughout the boot
Welllll either the bootfitter doesn’t have a lot of experience with FT or he was just really trying to sell you a wrap liner. Either way, this years FCs come standard with tongue liners, why would that be something we shouldn’t do? 😂😂 @tomPietrowski any idea why a fitter would say no to a tongue liner in the First Chair?
There is no reason really no. As you said we stock the new first chairs with tongue liners now. Not to say wraps wont be better for some people but in the same manner tongues will be better for some people too.
Op you for sure should have a footbed in there. You need to go see a bootfitter. Try alpine pro up in whistler or go see Coop or Greta at Comor. They will be able to see what's going on and figure out if the boots will work with some adjustment or if you really need to start again.
Who ever sold you a new liner but not a footbed did you a real disservice.
animatorWelllll either the bootfitter doesn’t have a lot of experience with FT or he was just really trying to sell you a wrap liner. Either way, this years FCs come standard with tongue liners, why would that be something we shouldn’t do? 😂😂 @tomPietrowski[/tag] any idea why a fitter would say no to a tongue liner in the First Chair?
tomPietrowskiThere is no reason really no. As you said we stock the new first chairs with tongue liners now. Not to say wraps wont be better for some people but in the same manner tongues will be better for some people too.
Op you for sure should have a footbed in there. You need to go see a bootfitter. Try alpine pro up in whistler or go see Coop or Greta at Comor. They will be able to see what's going on and figure out if the boots will work with some adjustment or if you really need to start again.
Who ever sold you a new liner but not a footbed did you a real disservice.
They truly did haha it’s funny cause i even called in advance to that shop in revelstoke to have the liner put on hold for when i arrived. once i was there he told me that was not what i wanted and that i should be putting the intuition wrap liner in. So i took his advice and can say it didn’t help at all. Kind of chocked as i dropped nearly $350 hoping this would fix my issues.
tomPietrowskiThere is no reason really no. As you said we stock the new first chairs with tongue liners now. Not to say wraps wont be better for some people but in the same manner tongues will be better for some people too.
Op you for sure should have a footbed in there. You need to go see a bootfitter. Try alpine pro up in whistler or go see Coop or Greta at Comor. They will be able to see what's going on and figure out if the boots will work with some adjustment or if you really need to start again.
Who ever sold you a new liner but not a footbed did you a real disservice.
Also i’ll definitely hit up Comor Sports this weekend that’s local to me. Thanks a lot for the advice man!
Update: Huge shoutout to Comor Sports in Kitsilano. Ryan fitted me up with some sweet Lange RX-130 in a 27.5! Talk about a proper fit. Threw in some insoles to help with stabization. What an absolute game changer. No pain in my tendon at all today after charging hard all day long!! Loving the stiffer flex too so much control over my skis. Thanks for everyone for the input too. Unreal community on here
NickRobertsoonUpdate: Huge shoutout to Comor Sports in Kitsilano. Ryan fitted me up with some sweet Lange RX-130 in a 27.5! Talk about a proper fit. Threw in some insoles to help with stabization. What an absolute game changer. No pain in my tendon at all today after charging hard all day long!! Loving the stiffer flex too so much control over my skis. Thanks for everyone for the input too. Unreal community on here
Hell yeah man! Glad to hear that they got you all fixed up and you don't have any more pain.
shinbangclanI'm not an expert on this but I think it's supposed to be three fingers distance between your calf and the boot for comfort and two for performance (when it's buckled up...?). Hopefully someone can back me up or correct me but that looks a bit big to me imo.
You should have around 2 centimeters (fingers) between your heel and the shell of the boot for a comfort fit and 1cm (one finger) for a performance.