Honestly man, I'm so sick of hearing the "I want a refund on my season pass" bullshit. You should have bought the insurance in that case. No one - no one could see any of this coming.

The ONLY people I have sympathy for are the ones who either have not used their passes at all this season (those doing one week-long+ trip a year) or anyone who maybe only used it less than 5 times. When Winter Park, A-Basin, Solitude extend their closing days, I don't call Alterra telling them I want to pay extra money because I'm getting more value out of the pass when I ski on July 4th.

Unless you haven't used your pass once this year and were planning on a late-season trip, shut up and stop bitching.

Props to Alterra for stepping up and doing something - Epic hasn't offered shit yet.

Neither epic or ikon should give anyone anything., people who complain about getting a refund on their ski passes are fucking losers. We are experiencing one of the most unprecedented moments of our lifetime and people are bitching about not being able to use their ski pass they bought a year ago, for the last month of the season, get over it.

Triggered af^ haha

mtbakerpowTriggered af^ haha

You're the dumbass who wants a refund on his pass dude, gtfo.

seems early for Alterra to be jumping the gun on ski season 20/21, when sadly at this point nobody can confidently say things will open like normal come ~November. As the economy slowly re-opens I doubt ski areas are at the top of the list, when they were a significant cause of the spread in the first place https://www.powder.com/stories/news/are-ski-areas-responsible-for-the-spread-of-covid-19/

edit: do the downvoters care to explain instead reacting to the truth that skiing isn't as essential as they want? Obviously we all want to ski rn but nobody knows for sure when that's happening again

**This post was edited on Apr 14th 2020 at 5:38:13pm

Lmk when your panties aren’t all bunched up your crack:)

eheathYou're the dumbass who wants a refund on his pass dude, gtfo.

mtbakerpowLmk when your panties aren’t all bunched up your crack:)

Bro, you made the thread, what did you expect? Everyone on here is gonna call you a kook for wanting a refund on your ski pass.

eheathNeither epic or ikon should give anyone anything., people who complain about getting a refund on their ski passes are fucking losers. We are experiencing one of the most unprecedented moments of our lifetime and people are bitching about not being able to use their ski pass they bought a year ago, for the last month of the season, get over it.

eheathBro, you made the thread, what did you expect? Everyone on here is gonna call you a kook for wanting a refund on your ski pass.

mtbakerpowTriggered af^ haha

"triggered" = anyone who ever disagreed with an Internet Guy about anything

you're not going to get anything more than this discount so start coming to terms with it dude

most of us dislike the huge skiing corporations but that doesn't mean that people will just agree with anything negative said about them. no one can reasonably expect a refund or partial refund in this situation so you're pissing in the wind

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/876950/To-Everyone-Wanting-a-Refund-on-Their-Pass

I didn’t really imply I expected anything but thanks for your 2 cents bud

SofaKingSick"triggered" = anyone who ever disagreed with an Internet Guy about anything

you're not going to get anything more than this discount so start coming to terms with it dude

most of us dislike the huge skiing corporations but that doesn't mean that people will just agree with anything negative said about them. no one can reasonably expect a refund or partial refund in this situation so you're pissing in the wind

mtbakerpowTriggered af^ haha

Let me ask you this - how much do you want back? $100? $200? What's reasonable for you? Assuming you paid anywhere from $650-$800ish for your pass, what are you trying to accomplish?

There are millions of people filing for unemployment, millions who don't know how they will pay rent, get fucking food next month - if this is you, I'm very sorry. If not, shut up about getting back a small amount of money for a sport we have all dumped thousands into.

Also - how many days have you skied this year? Is it less than 5? If so, why did you by a pass, and if its more, than you probably got the value out of your pass.

**This post was edited on Apr 14th 2020 at 5:42:50pm

mtbakerpowI didn’t really imply I expected anything but thanks for your 2 cents bud

dude your exact words were "I’d like a partial refund instead." all i have to do is scroll up and read it

ski.loonLet me ask you this - how much do you want back? $100? $200? What's reasonable for you? Assuming you paid anywhere from $650-$800ish for your pass, what are you trying to accomplish?

There are millions of people filing for unemployment, millions who don't know how they will pay rent, get fucking food next month - if this is you, I'm very sorry. If not, shut up about getting back a small amount of money for a sport we have all dumped thousands into.

Also - how many days have you skied this year? Is it less than 5? If so, why did you by a pass, and if its more, than you probably got the value out of your pass.

**This post was edited on Apr 14th 2020 at 5:42:50pm

IanAvery-Leafseems early for Alterra to be jumping the gun on ski season 20/21, when sadly at this point nobody can confidently say things will open like normal come ~November. As the economy slowly re-opens I doubt ski areas are at the top of the list, when they were a significant cause of the spread in the first place https://www.powder.com/stories/news/are-ski-areas-responsible-for-the-spread-of-covid-19/

edit: do the downvoters care to explain instead reacting to the truth that skiing isn't as essential as they want? Obviously we all want to ski rn but nobody knows for sure when that's happening again

**This post was edited on Apr 14th 2020 at 5:38:13pm

A lot of people don't like to hear the truth or facts.

mtbakerpow

So you have absolutely nothing to say, you just want to talk shit with no responses? Why did you even make a thread bruh

No please - answer my questions.

How many days did you ski this year? How much of a refund do you want?

mtbakerpow

CLQA lot of people don't like to hear the truth or facts.

ski.loonNo please - answer my questions.

How many days did you ski this year? How much of a refund do you want?

they magically have nothing to say once they double down on clinging to their opinion rather than accepting the truth

still waiting on a reply from @SFBv420.0 after he advocated against social distancing in the don't ski Tuckermans thread...smh

I imagine Alterra is way off on their numbers for pass renewals right now.

I would happily pay full price if they did not furlough full time, year round, employees. How much revenue comes between mid March to mid June? I guess if you are buying the passes for a large family the discount helps but to me it seems like a cheap ploy. The pass sales for 2020/2021 are down a great amount and they releasing the discount to generate more sales in May once hopefully the stay at home orders start to be lifted.

RRhighriderI would happily pay full price if they did not furlough full time, year round, employees. How much revenue comes between mid March to mid June? I guess if you are buying the passes for a large family the discount helps but to me it seems like a cheap ploy. The pass sales for 2020/2021 are down a great amount and they releasing the discount to generate more sales in May once hopefully the stay at home orders start to be lifted.

IKON is adverting right now because thats what they do this time of year, its not necessarily specific to the current situation. The amount of revenue they see march - june is probably 1/10 of what they make the rest of the year, march has some spring breakers but otherwise its all pass holders.

didn't downvote, but I feel like you're being a tiny bit contradictory here. As you said, nobody knows for sure what's going to happen, but you also say that resorts probably won't open like normal next year. You could be right, you could be wrong. Personally, I'm a little sick of bombastic, eye catching headlines about society being forever changed and the virus lasting forever and ever, because as you said, nobody knows what going to happen. What I do know is that one of my good friends is an english teacher in southern china, and things look like they are going back to normal there. Everyone is wearing masks but people are riding trains going to work etc.

IanAvery-Leafseems early for Alterra to be jumping the gun on ski season 20/21, when sadly at this point nobody can confidently say things will open like normal come ~November. As the economy slowly re-opens I doubt ski areas are at the top of the list, when they were a significant cause of the spread in the first place https://www.powder.com/stories/news/are-ski-areas-responsible-for-the-spread-of-covid-19/

edit: do the downvoters care to explain instead reacting to the truth that skiing isn't as essential as they want? Obviously we all want to ski rn but nobody knows for sure when that's happening again

**This post was edited on Apr 14th 2020 at 5:38:13pm

**This post was edited on Apr 15th 2020 at 12:16:38pm

eheathIKON is adverting right now because thats what they do this time of year, its not necessarily specific to the current situation. The amount of revenue they see march - june is probably 1/10 of what they make the rest of the year, march has some spring breakers but otherwise its all pass holders.

You don't think the additional discount for renewing and extension of the sale are related to the current situation? The announcement came a week before Ikon pass prices were scheduled to increase. I will buy a base pass either way but am interested with how they respond to the decrease in demand for the passes. The uncertainty of the current situation makes the discount less valuable and Ikon/Epic sales are more sensitive to these situations as the selling point of these passes are the ability to make destination trips.

RRhighriderYou don't think the additional discount for renewing and extension of the sale are related to the current situation? The announcement came a week before Ikon pass prices were scheduled to increase. I will buy a base pass either way but am interested with how they respond to the decrease in demand for the passes. The uncertainty of the current situation makes the discount less valuable and Ikon/Epic sales are more sensitive to these situations as the selling point of these passes are the ability to make destination trips.

I mean maybe its hard to tell, april is a huge month of advertising for epic and ikon usually, obviously they are offering more of a discount, but I was just saying its completely normal for them to be pushing their passes right now.

Def quit whining about a refund people, greedy bastards, much more important things going on.

I had my season cut short, I didn’t ask for a refund, didn’t try to ski tucks either , it sucks oh well.

on that note I’d been wondering about whether or not to buy a pass for next year, when I got that email I logged in and bought my pass for next year this am

—this is where my post will get its dvs—

Remember, trumps president(king) , money comes before people, EVERYTHING will be open well before it’s time damned be the consequences, and that includes resorts

SavageBiffDef quit whining about a refund people, greedy bastards, much more important things going on.

I had my season cut short, I didn’t ask for a refund, didn’t try to ski tucks either , it sucks oh well.

on that note I’d been wondering about whether or not to buy a pass for next year, when I got that email I logged in and bought my pass for next year this am

—this is where my post will get its dvs—

Remember, trumps president(king) , money comes before people, EVERYTHING will be open well before it’s time damned be the consequences, and that includes resorts

Trump's a piece of shit and will do anything he can to stop the economy from further tanking. But governor's will do what they need to - including keeping resorts closed if it's appropriate. There's definitely a chance we aren't skiing in November.

Ya def a chance, I’d be quite surprised tho. Some states may have closures still while some may not, who knows

If it’s what’s best even tho I already bought my pass, skis for wife etc etc I say keep em closed.

pinkcamo1000didn't downvote, but I feel like you're being a tiny bit contradictory here. As you said, nobody knows for sure what's going to happen, but you also say that resorts probably won't open like normal next year. You could be right, you could be wrong. Personally, I'm a little sick of bombastic, eye catching headlines about society being forever changed and the virus lasting forever and ever, because as you said, nobody knows what going to happen. What I do know is that one of my good friends is an english teacher in southern china, and things look like they are going back to normal there. Everyone is wearing masks but people are riding trains going to work etc.

**This post was edited on Apr 15th 2020 at 12:16:38pm

yeah soulful Cole? China/SK are reopening sooner due to the aggressive surveillance/tracking system they’ve got over there to understand and contain the spread better, Americans seem to not be down for that tradeoff if privacy for public health hence our lockdown that drags on indefinitely

I assume buying a ski pass isn’t exactly at the top of people’s minds rn with this uncertainty in the air. Will skiing open like normal next fall? Probably? But like I said nobody can say 100% sure. I’d rather be pleasantly surprised by a bleak outlook turning better than this every ~two weeks we tack on another two weeks crap that’s happening now, it was beyond obvious nothing was re-opening in April. Everything that I’ve been reading is the only way to truly stop a second (or third, etc) wave is to get a vaccine deployed, which isn’t happening in time for next ski season this fall :(

As businesses start to re-open I really don’t see ski areas at the top of the priority list (in terms of general safety/necessity, not NS members priorities), please correct me if I’m wrong tho

who is soulful cole? Agree with everything you're saying here, my hope is that once hospitals have more beds and more ventilators and the curve has been flattened enough and we have enough testing then second and third waves won't be such a big deal because the hospitals will be prepared. Shit like thermal cameras could help a lot too. I don't think people are gonna stay locked in their rooms until a vaccine is found, that seems a little extreme to me.

IanAvery-Leafyeah soulful Cole? China/SK are reopening sooner due to the aggressive surveillance/tracking system they’ve got over there to understand and contain the spread better, Americans seem to not be down for that tradeoff if privacy for public health hence our lockdown that drags on indefinitely

I assume buying a ski pass isn’t exactly at the top of people’s minds rn with this uncertainty in the air. Will skiing open like normal next fall? Probably? But like I said nobody can say 100% sure. I’d rather be pleasantly surprised by a bleak outlook turning better than this every ~two weeks we tack on another two weeks crap that’s happening now, it was beyond obvious nothing was re-opening in April. Everything that I’ve been reading is the only way to truly stop a second (or third, etc) wave is to get a vaccine deployed, which isn’t happening in time for next ski season this fall :(

As businesses start to re-open I really don’t see ski areas at the top of the priority list (in terms of general safety/necessity, not NS members priorities), please correct me if I’m wrong tho

pinkcamo1000who is soulful cole? Agree with everything you're saying here, my hope is that once hospitals have more beds and more ventilators and the curve has been flattened enough and we have enough testing then second and third waves won't be such a big deal because the hospitals will be prepared. Shit like thermal cameras could help a lot too. I don't think people are gonna stay locked in their rooms until a vaccine is found, that seems a little extreme to me.

Oh I was assuming your homie in China rn is Cole Derrick, aka soulful Cole. Now that I think about it I think he’s coaching skiing not teaching english, Chinas a big country, so that was a bad assumption my b

I agree I don’t think Americans will let this drag on all the way until a vaccine, which is apparently 18 months out minimum. At a certain tipping point people will care more about the economy than health and will reject the quarantine. Not advocating for it, just predicting it. Today, the same idiots in Michigan who complained about BLM protests blocking the roads all joined together in their cars (And some not in cars and not 6+ft away...) to block streets surrounding a hospital, which directly caused ambulances to not be able to make it. All this to reject the stricter stay at home guidelines in a state with the 3rd highest deaths rn...sadly I think we’re gonna see a lot more situations like this the more quarantine drags on, Americans don’t value public health as much as a lot of the rest of the world

IanAvery-LeafOh I was assuming your homie in China rn is Cole Derrick, aka soulful Cole. Now that I think about it I think he’s coaching skiing not teaching english, Chinas a big country, so that was a bad assumption my b

I agree I don’t think Americans will let this drag on all the way until a vaccine, which is apparently 18 months out minimum. At a certain tipping point people will care more about the economy than health and will reject the quarantine. Not advocating for it, just predicting it. Today, the same idiots in Michigan who complained about BLM protests blocking the roads all joined together in their cars (And some not in cars and not 6+ft away...) to block streets surrounding a hospital, which directly caused ambulances to not be able to make it. All this to reject the stricter stay at home guidelines in a state with the 3rd highest deaths rn...sadly I think we’re gonna see a lot more situations like this the more quarantine drags on, Americans don’t value public health as much as a lot of the rest of the world

What’s unfortunate is that not all of those people are going to die from COVID-19 and instead spread it to others who will die.

CLQWhat’s unfortunate is that not all of those people are going to die from COVID-19 and instead spread it to others who will die.

yup, selfish and disgusting. Just like all the people who “had” to attend church in person for easter sunday....it’s obvious pastors went through with it due to not being able to pass around a collection tray over zoom

I wouldn’t say I was talking shit,it was just news to me. And with them increasing prices the same amount of the discount offer if I buy now in such uncertain times it seems like there’s not much value besides a marketing pr stunt. When I said I’d like if kinda means I’d prefer,just wishful thinking. Idk why people got so upset about me bringing up the obvious. My home mountain is crystal and each weekend I tried to ski I was turned away cause the parking lots were full,only twice and one day I spent 6 hours in the car to get a spot at 2pm then the last day of the season I tried using my pass at alpental and was turned away as they said only local pass holders would be allowed to ski(parking lots were about 20% full this day)... and I think I got 15 days on my pass total. I didn’t and don’t have any amount in mind for any or partial refund but I’d hope that there would be something offered for pass holder next year after all the uncertainties which we are living with. I wasn’t looking for attention from every keyboard warrior troll from such a topic or have it get into politics. But now that I’m back home and can resume meme posting let them give me something to laugh about:)

eheathSo you have absolutely nothing to say, you just want to talk shit with no responses? Why did you even make a thread bruh

ski.loonNo please - answer my questions.

How many days did you ski this year? How much of a refund do you want?

**This post was edited on Apr 16th 2020 at 12:34:30am

Agreed nobody should be getting a refund unless maaaybe they bought it for a week+ long vacation. John Hopkins releases a study showing a possible second wave reinfection taking place starting November-December. Definitely not buying a pass til I know the scoop on next seasons skiing.

I emailed Alterra just to get their thoughts on what happens if I buy a pass today but the season never starts. They confirmed that I would be SOL the passes are totally non-refundable. Also, buying pass insurance would not help for something like another cancellation because of covid.

skeirmanI emailed Alterra just to get their thoughts on what happens if I buy a pass today but the season never starts. They confirmed that I would be SOL the passes are totally non-refundable. Also, buying pass insurance would not help for something like another cancellation because of covid.

If that's the case, I don't understand how they expect to sell passes. I was going to buy a pass with the insurance as a backup, but if it's not covered, there is no chance I'm buying a pass. I'd rather spend an extra 100/150 in October, than 750 now and lose it all.

IanAvery-LeafOh I was assuming your homie in China rn is Cole Derrick, aka soulful Cole. Now that I think about it I think he’s coaching skiing not teaching english, Chinas a big country, so that was a bad assumption my b

I agree I don’t think Americans will let this drag on all the way until a vaccine, which is apparently 18 months out minimum. At a certain tipping point people will care more about the economy than health and will reject the quarantine. Not advocating for it, just predicting it. Today, the same idiots in Michigan who complained about BLM protests blocking the roads all joined together in their cars (And some not in cars and not 6+ft away...) to block streets surrounding a hospital, which directly caused ambulances to not be able to make it. All this to reject the stricter stay at home guidelines in a state with the 3rd highest deaths rn...sadly I think we’re gonna see a lot more situations like this the more quarantine drags on, Americans don’t value public health as much as a lot of the rest of the world

See the news from Michigan last night? It's already happening. People are losing their shit after 20+ days. Its a joke.

ski.loonIf that's the case, I don't understand how they expect to sell passes. I was going to buy a pass with the insurance as a backup, but if it's not covered, there is no chance I'm buying a pass. I'd rather spend an extra 100/150 in October, than 750 now and lose it all.

Agreed. Maybe they’ll catch onto nobody buying a pass which is what I’m hoping happens. It’s crazy to not refund passes when there’s so little money used to sell pre season passes

ski.loonSee the news from Michigan last night? It's already happening. People are losing their shit after 20+ days. Its a joke.

Yeah thats the Michigan stuff I was referring too. People getting interviewed complained they couldn’t get their hair done and get grass seed for lawn maintenance, the lawn dude seemed on the verge of tears, and basically insisted thats more important than peoples lives. Fuck everything about that. Those same idiots will complain in a few weeks when the surge of new cases from the protestors spreading will cause them to need to extend the restrictions, which in Michigan were on track to lighten in 2 weeks. They’ll blame it on “punishing them” for the protests that instead made things way worse since a significant portion weren’t social distancing at all. Again, this is in the state with the third highest death toll...

I stand behind Governor Gretchen’s stricter order and wish more states would follow. It’s beyond mind boggling to me that there’s still multiple states that currently have no stay at home orders at all...This damage of dragging on the quarantine with weak ass restrictions is like a band aid...just actually lock things down for a shorter amount of time, it’ll be shitty but necessary, rather than all these non essential businesses/activities whining that they’re “essential” for weeks..? Months...? Beyond? We need to tear the bandaid off not slowly peel it

IanAvery-LeafYeah thats the Michigan stuff I was referring too. People getting interviewed complained they couldn’t get their hair done and get grass seed for lawn maintenance, the lawn dude seemed on the verge of tears, and basically insisted thats more important than peoples lives. Fuck everything about that. Those same idiots will complain in a few weeks when the surge of new cases from the protestors spreading will cause them to need to extend the restrictions, which in Michigan were on track to lighten in 2 weeks. They’ll blame it on “punishing them” for the protests that instead made things way worse since a significant portion weren’t social distancing at all. Again, this is in the state with the third highest death toll...

I stand behind Governor Gretchen’s stricter order and wish more states would follow. It’s beyond mind boggling to me that there’s still multiple states that currently have no stay at home orders at all...This damage of dragging on the quarantine with weak ass restrictions is like a band aid...just actually lock things down for a shorter amount of time, it’ll be shitty but necessary, rather than all these non essential businesses/activities whining that they’re “essential” for weeks..? Months...? Beyond? We need to tear the bandaid off not slowly peel it

Is anyone surprised that the vast majority of people in that protest were Trump supporters?

CLQIs anyone surprised that the vast majority of people in that protest were Trump supporters?

Ummm... no.

mtbakerpowNot sure how I feel about the selling me another pass and oh hey I’m going to give you until this date to save a little extra money,I’d like a partial refund instead

To Our Ikon Pass Community:

We hope this note finds you and those close to you healthy and well.

These are the days when we are particularly grateful for all those who share our devotion to winter in the mountains and find camaraderie within this passionate community. In these unprecedented times, we understand that the unknown can be difficult and today we hope to alleviate some of that by offering details regarding Ikon Pass and next winter.

As a valued member of our Ikon Pass community, we want to share our appreciation and gratitude with you by doubling your 20/21 renewal discount from $100 to up to $200 per Ikon Pass and from $50 to up to $100 per Ikon Base Pass. In addition to these savings, we are also giving you more time to renew your pass at the best value, until May 27, 2020. The zero interest payment plan also remains an option for you.

We recognize all of you who share our passion and enthusiasm, and find joy within this community. During this time off the slopes, we wish you and your snow crew continued connection and enthusiasm and we look forward to the days when all of us get out there again and enjoy adventures together.

We thank you for your enduring love of the mountains. Sweet days await us.

Be well. Your friends at Ikon Pass

Do you not understand what non refundable means

**This post was edited on Apr 16th 2020 at 4:55:26pm

Hey OP next time you bitch about not being refunded don’t mention it’s over your Ikon pass, fuck that stupid piece of plastic that’s ruined Utah, and fuck you for buying it.

Can we cuddle after?

Titus69Hey OP next time you bitch about not being refunded don’t mention it’s over your Ikon pass, fuck that stupid piece of plastic that’s ruined Utah, and fuck you for buying it.

CLQIs anyone surprised that the vast majority of people in that protest were Trump supporters?

not even remotely surprised

fuck these dipshits

blacknot even remotely surprised

fuck these dipshits

Nothing screams Nazi like wanting to save lives!! Some people have called my gay, Jewish governor a nazi and it’s just so pathetic.

They're offering $200 off and your'e mad cause you're not getting a refund?

Super sick of the "give me a refund" shit.

Sorry people suck and didn't use their pass. It's not like the ski areas individually decided to close early to screw people over. The whole country is pretty much shut down. A lot of mountains closed less than a month before their closing dates. Sure Some ski areas were probably going to roll into may, but whatever, shit happens, get the fuck over it.

The shittiest thing about watching everyone blow up on facebook last month was the fact that there's barely anyone skiing in april half the time. Yet now that places are closed, everyone is bitching about it.

Next year will come, the snow will fall, you'll get some turns in. If you think Ikon is screwing you over you should buy a different pass or something. Maybe just ski backcountry.

Idk I don't really care. They don't owe anybody shit for closing early. People need to stop crying, smoke a bowl, drink a few beers and move on with their lives.

so this is an interesting development...