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I've always wondered about pros are the amount of work that goes into getting them into boots specifically someone like Henrik where his first pro models were the Classic Full Tilt shell then moved to the Descendant shell. 2 completely different volume boots. I cant think of any examples off the top of my head that is just the one I thought of first.
Is it just a ton of boot work done to get them into them?
This doesn't exactly answer your question but from what I understand when it comes to boot production you can only really change up the style (meaning shape and and look, not color) of a boot maybe once a decade. This is because to build the mold for the boot you have to retool a lot of machinery. The cost to develop and then produce something new is quite high when there are molds that need to be created.
Saga.This doesn't exactly answer your question but from what I understand when it comes to boot production you can only really change up the style (meaning shape and and look, not color) of a boot maybe once a decade.
It's actually the opposite- color is easy to change, the shape/industrial design is the hard part. The former isn't linked to a mold construction, but the latter is and is therefore something boot brands want to avoid doing because of the massive investment involved in doing so (changing the shape of the last or outer mold is anywhere from 5,000-15,000€ per size).
Ultimately, if a rider doesn't get along with the gear, they don't stay with the brand for very long. Some athletes need lots of work to get them happy, some don't need any at all- but the key is making them happy with their gear. You just can't throw a bunch of money at an athlete and make their boot problems go away. At the end of the day, they have to love their boots and if that can't happen, they usually find another sponsor.
That’s what I meant by only able to change the boot once or so a decade.
onenerdykidIt's actually the opposite- color is easy to change, the shape/industrial design is the hard part. The former isn't linked to a mold construction, but the latter is and is therefore something boot brands want to avoid doing because of the massive investment involved in doing so (changing the shape of the last or outer mold is anywhere from 5,000-15,000€ per size).Ultimately, if a rider doesn't get along with the gear, they don't stay with the brand for very long. Some athletes need lots of work to get them happy, some don't need any at all- but the key is making them happy with their gear. You just can't throw a bunch of money at an athlete and make their boot problems go away. At the end of the day, they have to love their boots and if that can't happen, they usually find another sponsor.
I know a some brands use badge engineering with top sheets (either the atomic team rides beefed up infamouses or every pro goes through 30 pairs a year) but I wonder if any brands have ever sent the shells of one boot with the color of another. Hard to believe every pro that rides Dalbello except ABM fits in the narrow ass Il Moros, though I guess anything is possible with enough of shell work. I also think of Tanner who like never rode the Il Moro when it was his pro model and instead used the Krypton pro exclusively.
DensecloudsThanks for posting the thread. I've always wondered the same. How are so many good skiers in Dalbello/Fulll tilts w/ 97mm lasts when I know that can't fit all of their feet shapes. They still seem to be able to edge/ski great.
I always figured they were doin a lot of custom shit to their gear. I can't imagine they care about the integrity of the boot when they are getting new shit every year so figured they were grinding and stretching boots a lot more than a regular person would want to. Also I assume a lot of pros are just skiing in boots that perpetually make their feet a bit sore/achy. Same thing for professional climbers/ski racers (where they are downsizing by like a whole size)
finderI know a some brands use badge engineering with top sheets (either the atomic team rides beefed up infamouses or every pro goes through 30 pairs a year) but I wonder if any brands have ever sent the shells of one boot with the color of another. Hard to believe every pro that rides Dalbello except ABM fits in the narrow ass Il Moros, though I guess anything is possible with enough of shell work. I also think of Tanner who like never rode the Il Moro when it was his pro model and instead used the Krypton pro exclusively.
Yeah honestly you'd be amazed by what new plastics can do. Maybe everyone wouldn't fit into the krypton pro out of the box but the right boot fitter can make it happen if it really needs to.
i change boots roughly every 25 days and with a custom footbed and knowing how to fit a boot i can have the same exact fit i had in the last boot for my first day out. going from the 18/19 hawx 130 to the 19/20 hawx i just threw my footbed in it, heat molded the liner and placed pads on my foot where i know i have issues and im done. first run is about adjusting the buckles to the desired tension and thats it. And im sure once atomic releases the hawx with the new liner they are doing i'll be doing the same thing shortly after OR once my order gets placed.
freeskibum82i change boots roughly every 25 days and with a custom footbed and knowing how to fit a boot i can have the same exact fit i had in the last boot for my first day out. going from the 18/19 hawx 130 to the 19/20 hawx i just threw my footbed in it, heat molded the liner and placed pads on my foot where i know i have issues and im done. first run is about adjusting the buckles to the desired tension and thats it. And im sure once atomic releases the hawx with the new liner they are doing i'll be doing the same thing shortly after OR once my order gets placed.
What size are you and what are you doing with your old boots?
SofaKingSicklol love where your head's atalso how/why do you switch boots every 25 days? that seems like a PITA even though i don't like my boots
I sell the old boots. I already sold the Hawx 130s sorry. I do still have a pair of K2 Pinnacle 130s id let go for cheap though. 26.5
I have a gear problem that is fueled by being in industry. I honestly like to try the latest and greatest and have a means to do so. Matt already mentioned a new liner for the Hawx 130s next season so most likely the current boots i've only put 4 days on will probably be for sale the minute those are available. Atomic makes them available in feb/mar usually
finderI know a some brands use badge engineering with top sheets (either the atomic team rides beefed up infamouses or every pro goes through 30 pairs a year) but I wonder if any brands have ever sent the shells of one boot with the color of another. Hard to believe every pro that rides Dalbello except ABM fits in the narrow ass Il Moros, though I guess anything is possible with enough of shell work. I also think of Tanner who like never rode the Il Moro when it was his pro model and instead used the Krypton pro exclusively.
The Il Moro is the exact same shell as the Krypton Pro, it just has different accessories.
High performing skiers need tight fitting boots. Start with a snug boot and stretch it where you need it. The Krypton is not a super narrow shell anyways.