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Why do ski instructors take their kids through the park even though its not a park lesson. Like wut they just cut you off or just go slow. Can a instructor explain this.
Ski instructors are trying to make you want to come back for more lessons and to make you want to keep skiing. Taking kids through the park is probably a pretty exciting experience to try out and will probably increase the chance that the students come back for more.
dont get me wrong i hate getting cut off in the park by all the little kids going off the sides of the lips, but thats all they want to do so might as well bring em, practice my park, get paid for it and not have to deal with them
Because little kids like having fun while skiing just like you do
Because it hurts no one
Because getting “cut off” by a little kid is nearly impossible unless you’re a garbage skier
Because your park skiing isn’t some cool, exclusive, serious activity, it’s the exact same recreational activity the kids are doing except you choose a different line down the 10 degree slope parks are built on
SofaKingSickBecause little kids like having fun while skiing just like you do
Because it hurts no one
Because getting “cut off” by a little kid is nearly impossible unless you’re a garbage skier
Because your park skiing isn’t some cool, exclusive, serious activity, it’s the exact same recreational activity the kids are doing except you choose a different line down the 10 degree slope parks are built on
haha naw i'm mostly just being a dick for effect. but everyone's at the hill for the same reason dude, to slide down in dumb ways and have fun. little kids are the next generation and gapers basically foot the bill for all of us.
they're not hurting anyone unless they're sitting in blind spots like landings or whatever, so be inclusive and give them constructive advice if you think it will help. we all started as newbies
SofaKingSickhaha naw i'm mostly just being a dick for effect. but everyone's at the hill for the same reason dude, to slide down in dumb ways and have fun. little kids are the next generation and gapers basically foot the bill for all of us.
they're not hurting anyone unless they're sitting in blind spots like landings or whatever, so be inclusive and give them constructive advice if you think it will help. we all started as newbies
SofaKingSickBecause little kids like having fun while skiing just like you do
Because it hurts no one
Because getting “cut off” by a little kid is nearly impossible unless you’re a garbage skier
Because your park skiing isn’t some cool, exclusive, serious activity, it’s the exact same recreational activity the kids are doing except you choose a different line down the 10 degree slope parks are built on
Because fuck yourself
Hope this helps let me know if you need more info
I agree with this but once I was about 3 feet away from a rail and a little kid went across the lip in front of me and I almost smashed the homie head first into the rail
DemillstaI agree with this but once I was about 3 feet away from a rail and a little kid went across the lip in front of me and I almost smashed the homie head first into the rail
Yeah I mean things will happen. I’ve had near misses with other good park riders even. Just have good radar and once you drop, ski fast like a baller and those moving cones won’t be much of an issue
SofaKingSickBecause little kids like having fun while skiing just like you do
Because it hurts no one
Because getting “cut off” by a little kid is nearly impossible unless you’re a garbage skier
Because your park skiing isn’t some cool, exclusive, serious activity, it’s the exact same recreational activity the kids are doing except you choose a different line down the 10 degree slope parks are built on
Because fuck yourself
Hope this helps let me know if you need more info
Because many times they'll skip smaller parks to go through parks way too big. Because sometimes they'll roll over every lip and cut people off. Yes you absolutely can get cut off by kids, I see it everyday(not ski lessons necessarily)
I've seen instructors and race coaches let their kids duck walk up and over jump takeoffs sliding down and trying to make it over holding up people waiting, rutting the jump, and risking getting hit.
At buttermilk an instructor parked a lesson dead center knuckle behind a 70 foot jump completely blind to anyone coming in, and freaked out when I told him to get the fuck out of there.
Luckily at the moment I've actually seen a lot of solid instructors in the parks, I think they only let people who know what they're doing bring lessons through. If other people are coming in they must be actually using the XS parks because I don't see them.
OP wasn't even being a dick, but you def were.
Everyone has the opportunity to learn to ride parks, people who think otherwise suck. But there's a certain etiquette that keeps people safe and everyone having fun. There's a reason mtns put so much into their smaller parks these days.
Those parks didn't exist or didn't get the effort they do these days. It was like well there's a 20 foot rail, I guess maybe one day I'll try it. Oh there's a big jump hope it doesn't kill me.
When you have people skip all those parks and fuck around on stuff they have no business being on that's not cool. You don't have to shove them or scream at them, but acting like it's their right to be their is ridiculous. People getting in way over their ability level creates a hazard for them and the other people riding park. People getting absolutely smashed wedging into the landing and injuring the person hitting the jump. People airing off knuckles to flat then suing. People fucking up the takeoffs of rails they would never be able to hit, so it doesn't ride as well for the people trying to lap them.
The hardcore surfing style vibe is fucking lame. But this "Everyone can do whatever they want" shit that I've seen on here the last few years is total bullshit. People are trying way to hard to be inclusive.
Terrain parks are fun, but they aren't a fucking playground. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, even the idiots who shouldn't be in there.
People who shouldn't have been in the park have gotten paralyzed and died. There have been some massive lawsuits. But yeah, "it hurts noone". Even just fucking up the lips, holding up the jumpline by standing on it, standing in places they'll get hit etc.
Fuck off with this white knight bullshit. People should feel encouraged to learn freestyle, but there are things do do, and things not to do. Everyone has to start somewhere, but it sure as fuck isn't in the large/XL features.
SofaKingSickhaha naw i'm mostly just being a dick for effect. but everyone's at the hill for the same reason dude, to slide down in dumb ways and have fun. little kids are the next generation and gapers basically foot the bill for all of us.
they're not hurting anyone unless they're sitting in blind spots like landings or whatever, so be inclusive and give them constructive advice if you think it will help. we all started as newbies
Word. At least you're saying this, but OP honestly wasn't being a dick, so that post was pretty pointless.
We all started as noobs, but we learned the rules. Things are trying too hard to be inclusive that everything gets fucked these days. Little johnny can hit anything he wants because his parents can't say no. Fucked up rail lips suck, high speed collisions suck, lawsuits suck, jerry blocking the jumpline sucks. Direct the noobs to the smaller parks and or explain some park etiquette to them.
I’ll take my kids through the baby park with rollers tunnel etc. I’ll never take them thru an actual park with actual features, that’s just not a good idea at all. Whenever I’m not working and see our instructors going thru i just shake my head. It’s a good way for your kids to get hurt cause even though if you teach them basic etiquette they’re not gonna understand because their main goal is just navigating and they’re usually 5-7 years old.
They’re building the next gen. stfu bet ur ski instructor never took u to the park. If my ski instructor never did that, I wouldn’t be here, would I? Half of us wouldn’t be here.
Also why would race coaches of ski academies take a group of 20 10 year old racer kids through the biggest park. One day they took like 3 laps through and this guy I knew got cut off right after landing a jump and broke his collar bone trying to not kill the kid.
theabortionatorBecause many times they'll skip smaller parks to go through parks way too big. Because sometimes they'll roll over every lip and cut people off. Yes you absolutely can get cut off by kids, I see it everyday(not ski lessons necessarily)
I've seen instructors and race coaches let their kids duck walk up and over jump takeoffs sliding down and trying to make it over holding up people waiting, rutting the jump, and risking getting hit.
At buttermilk an instructor parked a lesson dead center knuckle behind a 70 foot jump completely blind to anyone coming in, and freaked out when I told him to get the fuck out of there.
Luckily at the moment I've actually seen a lot of solid instructors in the parks, I think they only let people who know what they're doing bring lessons through. If other people are coming in they must be actually using the XS parks because I don't see them.
OP wasn't even being a dick, but you def were.
Everyone has the opportunity to learn to ride parks, people who think otherwise suck. But there's a certain etiquette that keeps people safe and everyone having fun. There's a reason mtns put so much into their smaller parks these days.
Those parks didn't exist or didn't get the effort they do these days. It was like well there's a 20 foot rail, I guess maybe one day I'll try it. Oh there's a big jump hope it doesn't kill me.
When you have people skip all those parks and fuck around on stuff they have no business being on that's not cool. You don't have to shove them or scream at them, but acting like it's their right to be their is ridiculous. People getting in way over their ability level creates a hazard for them and the other people riding park. People getting absolutely smashed wedging into the landing and injuring the person hitting the jump. People airing off knuckles to flat then suing. People fucking up the takeoffs of rails they would never be able to hit, so it doesn't ride as well for the people trying to lap them.
The hardcore surfing style vibe is fucking lame. But this "Everyone can do whatever they want" shit that I've seen on here the last few years is total bullshit. People are trying way to hard to be inclusive.
Terrain parks are fun, but they aren't a fucking playground. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, even the idiots who shouldn't be in there.
People who shouldn't have been in the park have gotten paralyzed and died. There have been some massive lawsuits. But yeah, "it hurts noone". Even just fucking up the lips, holding up the jumpline by standing on it, standing in places they'll get hit etc.
Fuck off with this white knight bullshit. People should feel encouraged to learn freestyle, but there are things do do, and things not to do. Everyone has to start somewhere, but it sure as fuck isn't in the large/XL features.
/rant
haha big swing and a miss here
no one's defending the worst case scenario examples you gave. youre acting like OP asked why instructors plop little kids on the knuckle of 70 footers and i said "no worries they should totally do that, one love namaste brother"
the question was why they should be in the park at all, and i said that as long as they aren't dangerous they have every right to be there even if they just ski by the big mounds of snow. the vast majority of mtns don't have robust small, medium, and large parks. in most cases the park is just some medium features on one of the hill's lower and flatter trails.
i'm not white knighting anything, my opinion is rooted in the actual rules of the mountain and i'm clearly just not as jaded as you are.
i get annoyed when more casual skiers traverse through cliff runouts for seemingly no reason but if i ever start claiming they don't have a right to be there, someone please prescribe me a juice box and a nap
I personally work on a park crew and this is something we struggle with. If they are park instructors than hell yea we are stoked have the kids ride wherever and hit anything. But, we always ask the main mountain instructors to please ski elsewhere. This is because we had a gnarly lawsuit involving because a kid was riding park in a none park class. Im a huge fan of instructors but they do tend to they tend to stand in very poor spots and always get caught up in collisions because of it. So if you are a instructor reading this please keep yourself and your kids clear of landings......
When I was an instructor we weren’t allowed to take laps thru the parks with the kids. Seems as though they changed that rule in the last 2 years tho...
I wouldn't care if they did it in a respectful way. I dont care who the fuck goes in the park as long as they are respectful. dont, snake people, dont side jump, dont sit on take offs or landings, dont ride halfway up a lip then pizza and go back down, dont be rude, JUST BE RESPECTFUL. Parents and Instructors, teach your kids to be respectful, if not, get out of the park or dont be surprised when you get hurt or someone yells at you.
no one's defending the worst case scenario examples you gave. youre acting like OP asked why instructors plop little kids on the knuckle of 70 footers and i said "no worries they should totally do that, one love namaste brother"
the question was why they should be in the park at all, and i said that as long as they aren't dangerous they have every right to be there even if they just ski by the big mounds of snow. the vast majority of mtns don't have robust small, medium, and large parks. in most cases the park is just some medium features on one of the hill's lower and flatter trails.
i'm not white knighting anything, my opinion is rooted in the actual rules of the mountain and i'm clearly just not as jaded as you are.
i get annoyed when more casual skiers traverse through cliff runouts for seemingly no reason but if i ever start claiming they don't have a right to be there, someone please prescribe me a juice box and a nap
I mean legally, little kids can ride their scooters and heelys all around a skatepark, does it mean they have any business being there? A permit driver can show up for the first time at a track event, does that mean they have any business being there? No, get the fuck out of the way you inconsiderate piece of shit (them not you, :) xoxo) before someone or their flow gets hurt.
KingRanchWhen I was an instructor we weren’t allowed to take laps thru the parks with the kids. Seems as though they changed that rule in the last 2 years tho...
I coach at sun peaks and you aren't allowed to take kids in the park unless a) you're coaching a park class or b) you gain permission from your supervisor. So that rule kinda still exists.
no one's defending the worst case scenario examples you gave. youre acting like OP asked why instructors plop little kids on the knuckle of 70 footers and i said "no worries they should totally do that, one love namaste brother"
the question was why they should be in the park at all, and i said that as long as they aren't dangerous they have every right to be there even if they just ski by the big mounds of snow. the vast majority of mtns don't have robust small, medium, and large parks. in most cases the park is just some medium features on one of the hill's lower and flatter trails.
i'm not white knighting anything, my opinion is rooted in the actual rules of the mountain and i'm clearly just not as jaded as you are.
i get annoyed when more casual skiers traverse through cliff runouts for seemingly no reason but if i ever start claiming they don't have a right to be there, someone please prescribe me a juice box and a nap
OP wasn't being a dick, you kind of were. My opinion is rooted in actual rules of the mtn. I wouldn't call myself jaded. If I was jaded I'd go with a better paying job. I wouldn't work for free at times and spend ridiculous hours on the slope. Hell 3 seasons ago we had a shit year when I moved back to NY. Had to cancel all of our events. They wanted to cancel the only thing left, a rail jam. I went off in a meeting and wouldn't let them get rid of it. I worked a 24-25 day, slept for a couple hours, worked a 22 hour day, slept for 4 or 5 hours then worked an 18 hour day for the event. I worked a whole season for free 3 years before that to build my home mtn a park from scratch. I coached kids and did park clinics at different mountains to get kids into freestyle. I'm not jaded, I'm fucking passionate, and I know a few things about parks. When somebody is a dick for no reason I'm going to call them out.
The rant excessive, but I've written longer posts about dropping a chicken nugget on the ground.
This isn't Nam Smokey.
Some Instructors are very aware of the rules, and teaching their kids safely. Many are clueless and don't give a fuck. This isn't isolated to one mountain, it's all over the place.
There is a real lack of teaching etiquette whether it's instructors or the parents. Sometimes when you politely inform them of things they're awesome about it because they didn't know. Too many times they get pissy and freak out because nobody tells them what they can and can't do.
But obviously none of that's true and I'm just making things up because I'm bored. I've probably never even ridden through a terrain park or ever hit a ramp jump or grindrail.
I usually try not to be a dick but you came out swinging like a douche and weren't even correct. Do whatever the fuck you want just don't do it in the park.
dwt802Also why would race coaches of ski academies take a group of 20 10 year old racer kids through the biggest park. One day they took like 3 laps through and this guy I knew got cut off right after landing a jump and broke his collar bone trying to not kill the kid.
Race coaches take things to the extreme. Obviously not all of them but def a legitimate stereotype. Especially at the mtns the bigger mtns that cost a shit ton of $$$. Try to explain to a race coach that him and his squad of entitled childrens can't do _______ and it's a total shitshow.
Luckily don't work day crew anymore so haven't really had any run ins but them and the "my kids can do whatever they want" parents are the worst.
StaticI mean legally, little kids can ride their scooters and heelys all around a skatepark, does it mean they have any business being there? A permit driver can show up for the first time at a track event, does that mean they have any business being there? No, get the fuck out of the way you inconsiderate piece of shit (them not you, :) xoxo) before someone or their flow gets hurt.
theabortionatorOP wasn't being a dick, you kind of were. My opinion is rooted in actual rules of the mtn. I wouldn't call myself jaded. If I was jaded I'd go with a better paying job. I wouldn't work for free at times and spend ridiculous hours on the slope. Hell 3 seasons ago we had a shit year when I moved back to NY. Had to cancel all of our events. They wanted to cancel the only thing left, a rail jam. I went off in a meeting and wouldn't let them get rid of it. I worked a 24-25 day, slept for a couple hours, worked a 22 hour day, slept for 4 or 5 hours then worked an 18 hour day for the event. I worked a whole season for free 3 years before that to build my home mtn a park from scratch. I coached kids and did park clinics at different mountains to get kids into freestyle. I'm not jaded, I'm fucking passionate, and I know a few things about parks. When somebody is a dick for no reason I'm going to call them out.
The rant excessive, but I've written longer posts about dropping a chicken nugget on the ground.
This isn't Nam Smokey.
Some Instructors are very aware of the rules, and teaching their kids safely. Many are clueless and don't give a fuck. This isn't isolated to one mountain, it's all over the place.
There is a real lack of teaching etiquette whether it's instructors or the parents. Sometimes when you politely inform them of things they're awesome about it because they didn't know. Too many times they get pissy and freak out because nobody tells them what they can and can't do.
But obviously none of that's true and I'm just making things up because I'm bored. I've probably never even ridden through a terrain park or ever hit a ramp jump or grindrail.
I usually try not to be a dick but you came out swinging like a douche and weren't even correct. Do whatever the fuck you want just don't do it in the park.
yeah i mean, obviously some good judgement and discretion is necessary. i'm not here to defend every idiot instructor who ever brought little kids into parks in unsafe ways so Mr. Abortion, i think you're still kind of arguing past me. and i didn't say anything about you not knowing what you're talking about, i know youre an experienced and passionate park builder from your posts. also i didn't say OP was a dick, in fact i told him i was being a dick for effect
i just don't like the knee jerk reaction that people categorically shouldn't be in the park because they're not ""park skiers"" as if that's some sort of thing you can objectively measure and control. if there's a park pass, great, but without that there is no rule that people can't ski down the park without hitting anything. just like the other (often dangerous) parts of the mountain, people can do whatever they want to get their kicks as long as they're following the rules and being safe.
y'all wanna grab some Taco Bell after this? all this scholarly discourse is making me hungry
SofaKingSickyeah i mean, obviously some good judgement and discretion is necessary. i'm not here to defend every idiot instructor who ever brought little kids into parks in unsafe ways so Mr. Abortion, i think you're still kind of arguing past me. and i didn't say anything about you not knowing what you're talking about, i know youre an experienced and passionate park builder from your posts. also i didn't say OP was a dick, in fact i told him i was being a dick for effect
i just don't like the knee jerk reaction that people categorically shouldn't be in the park because they're not ""park skiers"" as if that's some sort of thing you can objectively measure and control. if there's a park pass, great, but without that there is no rule that people can't ski down the park without hitting anything. just like the other (often dangerous) parts of the mountain, people can do whatever they want to get their kicks as long as they're following the rules and being safe.
y'all wanna grab some Taco Bell after this? all this scholarly discourse is making me hungry
I think you were reading too much into "Why do ski instructors take their kids through the park even though its not a park lesson. Like wut they just cut you off or just go slow. Can a instructor explain this."
Literally just sounds like OP had an issue, or is having some issues with lessons in the park at his mountain. It wasn't specific, but it also never mentioned that non park skiers shouldn't be able to learn.
Every time I go to tbell it's a disappointment but I'm always willing to give it another shot.
Instructors taking freshly new skiers at the age of 5 through any terrain park is poor judgment.
If there is a kicker on the roller, and your “student” is just passing the kicker on by to ski over the roller, then there are plenty of other places to teach on an incline like that but outside of the park where people aren’t trying to throw and land tricks.
Think of it this way, would you take your 5 year old to a skatepark and have him simply roll up and down the incline of a pyramid while other skaters were actually hitting it? Hell no, it would be a terribly dangerous idea. Not much of a difference on the mountain in my opinion.
theabortionatorBecause many times they'll skip smaller parks to go through parks way too big. Because sometimes they'll roll over every lip and cut people off. Yes you absolutely can get cut off by kids, I see it everyday(not ski lessons necessarily)
I've seen instructors and race coaches let their kids duck walk up and over jump takeoffs sliding down and trying to make it over holding up people waiting, rutting the jump, and risking getting hit.
At buttermilk an instructor parked a lesson dead center knuckle behind a 70 foot jump completely blind to anyone coming in, and freaked out when I told him to get the fuck out of there.
Luckily at the moment I've actually seen a lot of solid instructors in the parks, I think they only let people who know what they're doing bring lessons through. If other people are coming in they must be actually using the XS parks because I don't see them.
OP wasn't even being a dick, but you def were.
Everyone has the opportunity to learn to ride parks, people who think otherwise suck. But there's a certain etiquette that keeps people safe and everyone having fun. There's a reason mtns put so much into their smaller parks these days.
Those parks didn't exist or didn't get the effort they do these days. It was like well there's a 20 foot rail, I guess maybe one day I'll try it. Oh there's a big jump hope it doesn't kill me.
When you have people skip all those parks and fuck around on stuff they have no business being on that's not cool. You don't have to shove them or scream at them, but acting like it's their right to be their is ridiculous. People getting in way over their ability level creates a hazard for them and the other people riding park. People getting absolutely smashed wedging into the landing and injuring the person hitting the jump. People airing off knuckles to flat then suing. People fucking up the takeoffs of rails they would never be able to hit, so it doesn't ride as well for the people trying to lap them.
The hardcore surfing style vibe is fucking lame. But this "Everyone can do whatever they want" shit that I've seen on here the last few years is total bullshit. People are trying way to hard to be inclusive.
Terrain parks are fun, but they aren't a fucking playground. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, even the idiots who shouldn't be in there.
People who shouldn't have been in the park have gotten paralyzed and died. There have been some massive lawsuits. But yeah, "it hurts noone". Even just fucking up the lips, holding up the jumpline by standing on it, standing in places they'll get hit etc.
Fuck off with this white knight bullshit. People should feel encouraged to learn freestyle, but there are things do do, and things not to do. Everyone has to start somewhere, but it sure as fuck isn't in the large/XL features.
Croy603Why do ski instructors take their kids through the park even though its not a park lesson. Like wut they just cut you off or just go slow. Can a instructor explain this.
Because riding in the park is intimidating. Maybe they just want them to get adjusted to it.
ATRAT24cause then us instructors get to ride park while teaching
This. Also, I try to take my kids through the park if they are gonna be mature enough to follow the rules, because hitting small kickers and boxes really helps build balance and control. Hell, I even do it with adults. Personally, I don’t take kids through the fullsize park unless it is actually a park lesson, or they are good enough to hit shit properly, but I can’t speak for others.
hey, just to recap, a terrain park is, indeed, a playground. the mountain made a playground us to jump in the air and spin around on metal tubes. some people take it super seriously, but in the end, it's a playground.
DemillstaI agree with this but once I was about 3 feet away from a rail and a little kid went across the lip in front of me and I almost smashed the homie head first into the rail
Shit like this is the only time i get seriously mad about little kids in the park. I remember one time I was spinning a 3 off a jump and and as i came around i see a little kid in a green jacket cutting across the landing underneath me and nearly landed on him. Sketchy as shit, but still stomped it tho :)