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SammyDubzDo they actually have to wear helmets in comps? Is it a rule?
I know they do for dew tour. They even inspect the helmets for damage. If you look closely you'll see a little orange dot sticker (usually pretty low on the back somewhere) and thats what they put on to show that they've been inspected.
SkiTheYeastI'm not hear to start the great helmet debate, but imo why would you not wear a helmet all the time? sure you can be skiing chill laps that doesn't mean you can't hit your head, all it takes is the catch of a edge to hit your head in a pretty serious way. just my .02 safe skiing everyone!
The reason people don't wear them is because they think it looks better. That's it, end of story. People who say "it feels better to not wear one" are full of crap. I've walked out the door and forgot my Smith Maze before because it is so light that I can't tell if it's on my head or not.
RyhanThe reason people don't wear them is because they think it looks better. That's it, end of story. People who say "it feels better to not wear one" are full of crap. I've walked out the door and forgot my Smith Maze before because it is so light that I can't tell if it's on my head or not.
helmets freak me out. I force myself to wear one for icy kickers and stuff but I can definately tell the difference. Maybe the one I got just sucks, idk.
fun fact: When your head gets smacked on slushy/soft snow the impact is actually harder if you wear a helmet due to the increased area and momentum.
SkiTheYeastI'm not hear to start the great helmet debate, but imo why would you not wear a helmet all the time? sure you can be skiing chill laps that doesn't mean you can't hit your head, all it takes is the catch of a edge to hit your head in a pretty serious way. just my .02 safe skiing everyone!
Who downvotes this?
Even if you don't fall you might get hit by some gaper with no pass doing ''lazyboy'' down a green run crowded with jerrys, amirite?
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ManesPhoneyhelmets freak me out. I force myself to wear one for icy kickers and stuff but I can definately tell the difference. Maybe the one I got just sucks, idk.fun fact: When your head gets smacked on slushy/soft snow the impact is actually harder if you wear a helmet due to the increased area and momentum.
You could argue that landing on a trampoline hurts more than landing on a sharp rock due to increases surface area. You'd be just as wrong but it's be a cool argument
ManesPhoneyhelmets freak me out. I force myself to wear one for icy kickers and stuff but I can definately tell the difference. Maybe the one I got just sucks, idk.fun fact: When your head gets smacked on slushy/soft snow the impact is actually harder if you wear a helmet due to the increased area and momentum.
I think your lack of helmet wearing has affected your cognitive abilities.
tyrolYou could argue that landing on a trampoline hurts more than landing on a sharp rock due to increases surface area. You'd be just as wrong but it's be a cool argument
I never said that a rock/rail/hard objects in general wouldn't fuck your head up. You're mixing things up here ... when your head bangs on the ground a negative acceleration of your brain will lead to a concussion. The magnitude of this acceleration is proportional to the surface area to which the force is applied. Your heads surface area < your helmet's surface area. Case closed.
I am well aware that this is a stupid argument, btw.
mystery3Who downvotes this?Even if you don't fall you might get hit by some gaper with no pass doing ''lazyboy'' down a green run crowded with jerrys, amirite?
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Well ... according to him everyone who's noticing their helmet's weight is "full of crap". Maybe that's why
RyhanThe reason people don't wear them is because they think it looks better. That's it, end of story. People who say "it feels better to not wear one" are full of crap. I've walked out the door and forgot my Smith Maze before because it is so light that I can't tell if it's on my head or not.
I spent about 10 min searching for mine the other day but it was on my head. Was rocking a balaclava because it was fucking cold and that's why I didn't feel it, weight did nothing.
I think it's a mix of that and superstition. I always wear a beanie so I'm always gonna wear a beanie. A lot of people now start off riding park with helmets so it's a lot different. That said, I got used to it pretty quick when I switched, really not a big deal.
I feel like people who bitch about the helmets should bitch about the weight and awkwardness of their phones in their pockets.
Cream_SauceF=ma buddy. If anything you could argue that the increased mass of the helmet would lead to greater impacts but you'd be wrong because the decrease in acceleration is far greater.
Well, if I actually have to explain this I'm gonna have to geek out a little:
The relevant property is the momentum here.
head has momentum/ angular momentum -> momentum is transfered in inelastic collision/ displacement of slush --> magnitude of negative acceleration is inversely proportional to the distance at which momentum is transfered
Having a higher surface area (or higher Volume), wearing a helmet implies that you have to displace more slush when your head diggs into the ground (remember: you need a large distance for a soft impact) --> displacement of more slush means more momentum per distance is being transfered --> magnitude of negative acceleration increases.
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ManesPhoneyWell, if I actually have to explain this I'm gonna have to geek out a little:The relevant property is the momentum here.
head has momentum/ angular momentum -> momentum is transfered in inelastic collision/ displacement of slush --> magnitude of negative acceleration is inversely proportional to the distance at which momentum is transfered
Having a higher surface area (or higher Volume), wearing a helmet implies that you have to displace more slush when your head diggs into the ground (remember: you need a large distance for a soft impact) --> displacement of more slush means more momentum per distance is being transfered --> magnitude of negative acceleration increases.
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That makes sense, but I'd probably take a concussion verse adding a cracked skull into the mix. I have hit my head in my Maze on both slush and ice, the slush was like 5 inches deep and I was chill, the ice hit gave me a concussion, both similar impacts.
To the thread, people just do it to look cool and just think they're gonna be fine, sure some look "cool" without a helmet but whether you have one on or not I'll think you're good or bad. Every helmet these days is perfectly comfortable, and you should value your life over your appearance.
I didnt wear a helmet for probably the first time in my life the other day cause I let a buddy borrow it, and I was kinda sketched out all day. And I happened to smack my face for the first time all season. I've never ever felt like it was even an option for me to not wear a helmet. You just cant predict when youre going to catch an edge or get smacked by some shitty dude who's trying to learn how to snowboard for the first time.
ManesPhoneyhelmets freak me out. I force myself to wear one for icy kickers and stuff but I can definately tell the difference. Maybe the one I got just sucks, idk.fun fact: When your head gets smacked on slushy/soft snow the impact is actually harder if you wear a helmet due to the increased area and momentum.
I’ve read a lot of dumb shit on this website but this might be the dumbest.
ManesPhoneyWell, if I actually have to explain this I'm gonna have to geek out a little:The relevant property is the momentum here.
head has momentum/ angular momentum -> momentum is transfered in inelastic collision/ displacement of slush --> magnitude of negative acceleration is inversely proportional to the distance at which momentum is transfered
Having a higher surface area (or higher Volume), wearing a helmet implies that you have to displace more slush when your head diggs into the ground (remember: you need a large distance for a soft impact) --> displacement of more slush means more momentum per distance is being transfered --> magnitude of negative acceleration increases.
Your assumption that during a slush impact the increased acceleration from greater surface area of a helmet is greater than the decreased acceleration from the helmets absorption is tenuous at best. You also haven't considered MIPS techonology which is designed to counter angular momentum of impacts.
Then you have haven't taken into account any other scenario.
Impact on hardpack or ice: this is where the majority of park skiing happens, helmet probably wins (especially with MIPS)
Impact on object: almost anywhere you ski there are rocks, rails, trees etc, etc, helmet wins in concussion reduction plus you have to consider skull fractures and lacerations both of which can kill you.
So even if your assumption that helmets increase risk of concussion on slush is true, which is not for sure, I'll still bet wearing a helmet is safer because of your likelihood of impact on hard objects, which is undeniably safer in term of both concussions and other traumatic injuries.
Swell_DudeI know a lot of people including myself that feel more comfortable and confident with helmet. I’m more ready to throw myself off cliffs with a helmet then without one, feels almost fragile without one.
Aside from not wanting to be a vegetable, the confidence thing is huge for me, and it is across all sports. I rip way harder in a full face than a half shell when I'm mountain biking. If I'm wearing a hydration pack I'll probably go harder because I subconsciously feel like I have some sort of back protection, or that the chest straps are giving me a hug and make me feel safer. Shit, when I ride BMX I push myself harder in a long sleeve or a sweatshirt than I do in a tshirt. There is so much psychological shit in it for me, as well as the physical protection of wearing a lid.
ManesPhoneyWell, if I actually have to explain this I'm gonna have to geek out a little:The relevant property is the momentum here.
head has momentum/ angular momentum -> momentum is transfered in inelastic collision/ displacement of slush --> magnitude of negative acceleration is inversely proportional to the distance at which momentum is transfered
Having a higher surface area (or higher Volume), wearing a helmet implies that you have to displace more slush when your head diggs into the ground (remember: you need a large distance for a soft impact) --> displacement of more slush means more momentum per distance is being transfered --> magnitude of negative acceleration increases.
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Dude what are you smoking? It's not even a debate that helmets are safer than no helmets in ALL circumstances. You are 100% not any sort of scientist or scientific if you believe otherwise. Did you ever think about the fact that helmets have a hard foam that compresses in significant impacts to extend the deceleration phase? Which would decrease injury. Also padding and MIPS will also assist in distributing the force from deceleration over a longer time, thus reducing the risk of injury.
Surface area is not volume in any mathematical world....EVER.
Also you might want to rethink your surface area argument because the more surface area you have, the more area the impact force will have to distribute over, causing less of an impact. Your argument where you say "magnitude of negative acceleration increases" is very flawed because eventually the slush will be gone and the head will hit a very hard impenetrable wall of snow, ice, rock, or dirt. Not to mention the increased surface area will distribute the force over a larger surface, therefore not only decreasing the impact to small areas of the skull, but rather spreading it out. This is where the helmet wins. Think of a guy diving vs belly flop into a pool that's 3 feet deep.
I will also take a helmet over the soft tissue that covers my skull any day. Would you rather hit your bare head on a rock or rail or get stabbed with a stick? How bout no.
One more lesson, the damage from head injuries, assuming it's a closed injury and your brains aren't everywhere, is from your brain jostling around inside the fluid filled space it's suspended in (aka your skull). The features of a helmet, padding, foam, MIPS will all serve to limit the rate of deceleration that your brain has to deal with- hopefully not allowing it to smash violently against your skull. There's plenty of low impact hits where no helmet would either cause a concussion or skull fracture, but you could be walking away with little to no injury with a helmet.
Last note: helmets are designed to protect fully to 12mph impacts. Even though they're not great past that, they are still better than no helmet.
Why don't you do this: You try smacking your head as hard as you can on hard snow with and without a helmet. Report back with what hurts worst, Mr I just took a physics class but still have no clue wtf I'm talking about. You get an F on this exam question.
Or you get an A for being a very elaborate troll.
Depends on where your skiing. If the park is hard ice i dont think theres too many pros who dont put on a helmet when pushing their limits. But some ppl like delorme wallish and vanular are good enough/strong enough to protect their head in a major wipeout. The best is if the snows not to hard in the park. Then a helmet isnt doing much for you anyways. Either way i dont like skiing park when its icy AF