i posted some thoughts on em in the UFO-thread as well as on Evo. They should be a decent touring ski, being tolerably light for the geo and the non-carbon construction. I have not used them in crud so i have no idea how they would work in those conditions, but they work as advertised both on the groomers carving well and in the fluffy stuff floating surprisingly well (though most skis work in the fluff). I think they are a great candidate for a one ski quiver or a daily mid-wide driver being quite versatile. I have only used em about six days though, so my experience with them is limited - but the little i have used them i am really quite pleased after an initial let down (as described in my review on evo). I used em with Vipec Blacks and Dynafit Beast Carbon boots, but have since converted them to pivot 14s and some fischer rc4s.

and yeah, i don't really get the cut off in the tail. It is not like the regular Libs tails are very hard to attach skins to, having toured a lot with Pows and Freerides. The weight savings is minimum, so you would think they could just keep the extra 3cm of tail to help riders who want to switch it up. Though, to be fair, 3cms extra clearance in switchbacks touring up hill could be the difference between can do and falling over - so i guess with their intended use it kinda makes sense :)

**This post was edited on Oct 17th 2017 at 11:59:45am

**This post was edited on Oct 17th 2017 at 12:01:39pm

Yep I saw your reply on that UFO thread too I was mixed in with that one aswell trying to find info on the Libs thanks for your thoughts mate appreciate it.

I thought i might try the wreckreate with my alpine binding and see if they feel any diff?

Other that that looking at the UFO 115 and wunderstick as a 2 ski quiver if the wreckreate son fun with the alpine - I'm interested in the line sickday104 and pescado too if you know anything about them.

Cheers

Paddy