50 dead. Done at a gay nightclub in Florida. Officially the worst shooting in US history. In a very gun friendly state. I haven't read what type of weapons he used, but it will be interesting to know
Jun 12 2016 7:03PM
Interesting read on the guns used during recent mass shootings.
Jun 12 2016 8:54PM
theBearJewCant conceal carry inside a bar.The state statute that covers the license to carry a weapon, Title XLVI Chapter 790, clearly states that guns are not permitted in bars.
Section (12)(a) tells concealed carry license holders that “A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into: Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose.”.
OK, so show me any mass shooting that was prevented by someone who was carrying. I remember the mass shooting in Trolley Square in SLC years ago but still multiple were dead by the time it ended. Aside from that, nothing. Its a stupid, well fucking retarded point, to state that stricter gun laws would prevent those from protecting themselves from mass shootings or gun violence in general. There is zero evidence to support this. Gun nuts are called nuts for a reason. The USA is full of idiots.
Jun 12 2016 8:59PM
skiermanOK, so show me any mass shooting that was prevented by someone who was carrying. I remember the mass shooting in Trolley Square in SLC years ago but still multiple were dead by the time it ended. Aside from that, nothing. Its a stupid, well fucking retarded point, to state that stricter gun laws would prevent those from protecting themselves from mass shootings or gun violence in general. There is zero evidence to support this. Gun nuts are called nuts for a reason. The USA is full of idiots.
That is a logical fallacy is it not? You're asking someone to prove that a mass shooting was prevented by someone carrying, when it fact, it did not have happen, thereby making it impossible for anyone to know the outcome.
Jun 12 2016 9:24PM
Jun 12 2016 9:46PM
.MASSHOLE.That is a logical fallacy is it not? You're asking someone to prove that a mass shooting was prevented by someone carrying, when it fact, it did not have happen, thereby making it impossible for anyone to know the outcome.
Not at all, actually. A psycho with tons of arms and ammunition starts firing on a public crowd and according to the gun nuts, if everyone was armed (that alone is insane), it could be prevented by a "good guy with a gun". This is their reason as to why any kind of gun regulation is not appropriate. However this theoretical situation has NEVER HAPPENED. THERE IS NO PROOF OF THIS HAPPENING. THEREFOR IT MAKES THESE GUN NUTS FUCKING IDIOTS.
Get it? If you don't then count yourself among those idiots.
Jun 12 2016 9:58PM
fuckmekevinBad guys get guns legally and it is a fact that most shootings happen in areas were concealed carry is ALLOWED! If we banned all guns and bullets, only the government and police would have them, which would make every law abiding citizen safer. It is hard for criminals to get guns when they are illegal.
2/10 troll would like a better effort next time
Jun 12 2016 10:03PM
skiermanOK, so show me any mass shooting that was prevented by someone who was carrying. I remember the mass shooting in Trolley Square in SLC years ago but still multiple were dead by the time it ended. Aside from that, nothing. Its a stupid, well fucking retarded point, to state that stricter gun laws would prevent those from protecting themselves from mass shootings or gun violence in general. There is zero evidence to support this. Gun nuts are called nuts for a reason. The USA is full of idiots.
I was just telling you why nobody had a gun in the bar.
Jun 12 2016 10:21PM
.MASSHOLE.That is a logical fallacy is it not? You're asking someone to prove that a mass shooting was prevented by someone carrying, when it fact, it did not have happen, thereby making it impossible for anyone to know the outcome.
Please do not try to say things that require a brain to people who lack one.
Jun 12 2016 10:24PM
skiermanOK, so show me any mass shooting that was prevented by someone who was carrying. I remember the mass shooting in Trolley Square in SLC years ago but still multiple were dead by the time it ended. Aside from that, nothing. Its a stupid, well fucking retarded point, to state that stricter gun laws would prevent those from protecting themselves from mass shootings or gun violence in general. There is zero evidence to support this. Gun nuts are called nuts for a reason. The USA is full of idiots.
Give me the exact number of lives that have been saved by "gun-free zones". How many criminals have turned around at the door because of a "gun free" sign?
Jun 12 2016 11:34PM
.MASSHOLE.Interesting read on the guns used during recent mass shootings.
This is pretty interesting.
Cliff notes for the lazy.
It's a list of 16 recent mass shootings from about the last 7 years. All of the weapons were bought LEGALLY either by the assailant themselves or people they lived with.
Jun 12 2016 11:45PM
Jun 12 2016 11:48PM
SkiBum.Why? Did the bullet and the gun kill people? No, a crazy dude did. Fuck off with your gun shit you know nothing about.
Australia had one mass shooting in its history, immediately banned almost all guns and has super strict laws regulating it. That literally solved the problem, and there hasn't been anything like that since. Why hasn't America done the same thing? Fucking idiots like this guy think that a once a year hunting trip is more important than peoples lives. Your guns aren't that important dude, you can find a new hobby.
Jun 12 2016 11:57PM
Bushdid9_11Fucking idiots like this guy think that a once a year hunting trip is more important than peoples lives. Your guns aren't that important dude, you can find a new hobby.
There are a lot of people who own guns to protect themselves and their families from the "tyranny of government" which is kind of a constitutional right. However when the constitution was written they didn't have or couldn't imagine a gun that can shoot 800 rounds a minute.
Jun 13 2016 12:01AM
TingaThere are a lot of people who own guns to protect themselves and their families from the "tyranny of government" which is kind of a constitutional right. However when the constitution was written they didn't have or couldn't imagine a gun that can shoot 800 rounds a minute.
When the constitution was written, the people had the exact same guns as the military. It seems like the government has an unfair advantage right now.
Jun 13 2016 12:12AM
Bushdid9_11Australia had one mass shooting in its history, immediately banned almost all guns and has super strict laws regulating it. That literally solved the problem, and there hasn't been anything like that since. Why hasn't America done the same thing? Fucking idiots like this guy think that a once a year hunting trip is more important than peoples lives. Your guns aren't that important dude, you can find a new hobby.
Holy fuck you're retarded
Jun 13 2016 12:23AM
Perfect fucking logic dude. "Well if Australia did it than we can totally do it to!!"
First of all, Australia didn't ban civillians from owning all guns. They just began to regulate them
Secondly, Australia is more economically stable and has significantly lower crime rates than the US. They also have a lower population than the US. Youre comparing apples to oranges.
Guns are not the issue. Do we have room to improve? Absolutely. Say there was a complete gun ban in the US. Omar could've easily obtained a weapon off of the blackmarket. Or he could have constructed a bomb.
Re-evaluate the issues at hand
Jun 13 2016 12:25AM
Jun 13 2016 2:36AM
Jun 13 2016 4:43AM
TingaThere are a lot of people who own guns to protect themselves and their families from the "tyranny of government" which is kind of a constitutional right. However when the constitution was written they didn't have or couldn't imagine a gun that can shoot 800 rounds a minute.
A us citizen can't own a gun capable of 800 RPM .. Or even really 1/10 of that
Jun 13 2016 4:49AM
Jun 13 2016 6:20AM
PachankzStick to boots . You sound like every libtard that ever repeated the Christian argument protecting the scourge of the earth that is Islam .
If you would open your eyes and pay attention a bit more, you would know I am probably one of the harshest critics of Islam on this site. Despite that, I at least understand that just because you know someone's name, you cannot actually know anything about the person. You only have conjecture and guessing based on stereotype, hardly a solid case for calling someone guilty. You wouldn't want that shit done to you, so don't do it to someone else. As the evidence mounts, then we'll know more and be able to judge him appropriately.
Jun 13 2016 8:25AM
Jun 13 2016 8:28AM
Bushdid9_11Australia had one mass shooting in its history, immediately banned almost all guns and has super strict laws regulating it. That literally solved the problem, and there hasn't been anything like that since. Why hasn't America done the same thing? Fucking idiots like this guy think that a once a year hunting trip is more important than peoples lives. Your guns aren't that important dude, you can find a new hobby.
That's why I'm a proud American and you drink shit Fosters and fuck kangaroos. Don't try to talk shit on stuff you don't know on the other side of the world.
Jun 13 2016 10:26AM
SkiBum.That's why I'm a proud American and you drink shit Fosters and fuck kangaroos. Don't try to talk shit on stuff you don't know on the other side of the world.
*I point out flaws in your argument with facts*
*You say I fuck kangaroos*
Only people make the decision to kill people, but guns make it a lot easier. Educate yourself.
Jun 13 2016 10:38AM
Bushdid9_11Australia had one mass shooting in its history, immediately banned almost all guns and has super strict laws regulating it. That literally solved the problem, and there hasn't been anything like that since. Why hasn't America done the same thing? Fucking idiots like this guy think that a once a year hunting trip is more important than peoples lives. Your guns aren't that important dude, you can find a new hobby.
I'm with you 100% I use to hunt and started seeing people hunting with assault rifles and I was done. Also started to see people worshiping their guns it got fucking weird.
Jun 13 2016 11:04AM
skiermanNot at all, actually. A psycho with tons of arms and ammunition starts firing on a public crowd and according to the gun nuts, if everyone was armed (that alone is insane), it could be prevented by a "good guy with a gun". This is their reason as to why any kind of gun regulation is not appropriate. However this theoretical situation has NEVER HAPPENED. THERE IS NO PROOF OF THIS HAPPENING. THEREFOR IT MAKES THESE GUN NUTS FUCKING IDIOTS.Get it? If you don't then count yourself among those idiots.
You are so obnoxious man
Jun 13 2016 11:26AM
jblaskiBy this logic, we should just ban murder. If we do that, the criminals won't kill anyone, because they don't want to break the law. This way we will be able to live in peace and the bad guys won't be able to murder people.
Old post I know, but I just wanted to make a point.
You can look at murder as an idea. This idea that you need to kill someone exists in all different types of people in all different societies. You can't get rid of it. It's human nature.
What you can do is make it harder to follow through. If I had an issue to the extent where the only option seems to be murder, that option becomes a viable solution when I can quickly and easily purchase a gun, With little to no consequences if I don't follow the very few laws surrounding the buying and selling of firearms.
But say that if To buy a gun it is surrounded by extensive background checks, home checks, a large tax, a requirement to be certified and re certified often, and a prison sentence or fine if i buy or sell illegally it seems like more trouble than it's worth. Unless I'm a hardened criminal or gun runner, which most mass shooters are not.
That's not to say that the bad guys won't get guns, they still will. But now it takes serious effort to get one, and there are more consequences surrounding there misuse.
Jun 13 2016 12:08PM
Bad guys will always find ways to get guns or other means of hurting people. That doesn't mean I'm against stronger background checks and what not.
Why put all these restrictions on guns when the vast majority are law abiding citizens? Because you're scared of the few that will use guns to harm others? Sounds alot like Trumps plan to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the US. Even tho the vast majority are law abiding, we're scared of the few that will harm us.
The quote below is something I've seen before.
"If the shooting in South Carolina is cause for banning the confederate battle flag, removing statues of confederate soldiers and erasing southern history, then the shooting by the Muslim in San Bernardino is cause for banning the Hijab, the Quran, Muslim symbols and all mosques on American soil."
Jun 13 2016 12:55PM
japanadaLol, all it takes is about 6 months and 5k plus.Also my ar can easily do 80RPMs.
Yes, but the President went on air and said someone could walk in a gun shop and come out with an Assault Rifle. That is not true.
Also 800rpm is a belt fed on cyclic. You are not getting one of those for $5k.
Jun 13 2016 1:43PM
cobra_commanderYes, but the President went on air and said someone could walk in a gun shop and come out with an Assault Rifle. That is not true.Also 800rpm is a belt fed on cyclic. You are not getting one of those for $5k.
You can walk into a gun shop and get a semi-automatic assault rifle (AR15, AK-47, etc.), but not one that is full-auto. In order to get a full-auto you need a class 3 FFL and pay the NFA tax.
Jun 13 2016 2:01PM
Jun 13 2016 2:08PM
I had drunk convo with a couple lifetime military dudes, who have now transitioned into private security work the other day.
It's kinda funny. They were telling stories about how they instinctively assessed exits, cover, suspicious people cars etc whenever they went somewhere in their civilian life. The topic of mass shootings and concealed carry came up... when I asked about how they would stop an attacker or group of attackers they laughed.
Anyone want to guess why?
Jun 13 2016 2:26PM
I am entertained by Hillary today. First off, I agree with her saying that someone on the FBIs radar should not be allowed to purchase a firearm. However... holy irony. She's trying to become the fucking president and is under investigation herself. Someone seeking the most powerful office in the world with access to nuclear weapons just being incredibly ironic. It's hilarious.
Jun 13 2016 2:37PM
BombogenesisI am entertained by Hillary today. First off, I agree with her saying that someone on the FBIs radar should not be allowed to purchase a firearm. However... holy irony. She's trying to become the fucking president and is under investigation herself. Someone seeking the most powerful office in the world with access to nuclear weapons just being incredibly ironic. It's hilarious.
I guess I missed the part where Hilary was on the radar as a possible terrorist...
Cause otherwise I don't see the irony. Just blind bias from your end.
Jun 13 2016 4:31PM
californiagrownI guess I missed the part where Hilary was on the radar as a possible terrorist...Cause otherwise I don't see the irony. Just blind bias from your end.
So now politicians get to pick and choose what kind of FBI investigations get ones rights revoked in a way that suits them? That's not scary at all.
Jun 13 2016 4:39PM
BombogenesisSo now politicians get to pick and choose what kind of FBI investigations get ones rights revoked in a way that suits them? That's not scary at all.
Hmmm common sense rules in this case lol. The lady used a private phone for business purposes vs a guy who made inflammatory remarks in support of terrorists.
You're putting the two on equal footing. Fox News would even be ashamed of you lol.
Maybe you're trolling? I honestly am 50/50 on that haha
Jun 13 2016 4:47PM
californiagrownHmmm common sense rules in this case lol. The lady used a private phone for business purposes vs a guy who made inflammatory remarks in support of terrorists.You're putting the two on equal footing. Fox News would even be ashamed of you lol.
Maybe you're trolling? I honestly am 50/50 on that haha
Woman running for POTUS (arguably most powerful position in world) while being investigated by FBI for putting country at risk suggests man being investigated by FBI should have his rights stripped. Sorry if ya don't see it my man.
Jun 13 2016 4:54PM
THEDIRTYBUBBLEPerfect fucking logic dude. "Well if Australia did it than we can totally do it to!!"First of all, Australia didn't ban civillians from owning all guns. They just began to regulate them
Secondly, Australia is more economically stable and has significantly lower crime rates than the US. They also have a lower population than the US. Youre comparing apples to oranges.
Guns are not the issue. Do we have room to improve? Absolutely. Say there was a complete gun ban in the US. Omar could've easily obtained a weapon off of the blackmarket. Or he could have constructed a bomb.
Re-evaluate the issues at hand
Just to point out a couple obvious flaws in your argument :
If guns are illegal the blackmarket price in a first world country, especially for guns that are more desirable for crime, would be prohibitive for many shooter.
So then you say they'd build a bomb. Totally possible, but to build an effective bomb that can easily be walked in somewhere that has the capability of as many casualties as this shooting would take both know-how and would be difficult to do without alerting any authorities making the chance of getting caught before it even happens far higher.
I'm in no way saying to ban guns. Just pointing out flaws in your argument.
Jun 13 2016 5:07PM
-RobertBad guys will always find ways to get guns or other means of hurting people. That doesn't mean I'm against stronger background checks and what not.Why put all these restrictions on guns when the vast majority are law abiding citizens? Because you're scared of the few that will use guns to harm others? Sounds alot like Trumps plan to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the US. Even tho the vast majority are law abiding, we're scared of the few that will harm us.
The quote below is something I've seen before.
"If the shooting in South Carolina is cause for banning the confederate battle flag, removing statues of confederate soldiers and erasing southern history, then the shooting by the Muslim in San Bernardino is cause for banning the Hijab, the Quran, Muslim symbols and all mosques on American soil."
Bad guys will always find a way to get a gun. Maybe, from other developed nations we can see a drastic drop in homicides by guns. And no increase in homicide rates with other weapons.
Restrictions? If you're a law abiding citizen then you shouldn't be scared about restrictions like back ground checks, etc,etc.
And lastly that quote is complete bullshit. The confederate flag has its roots in racism and slavery among other things. The quran is a holy book. It's protected by the first amendment. You can not remove it from american soil. Secondly, blaming all muslims because of the actions of two is literally the dumbest thing you can do. Sure the quran has some scary passages in it but the majority of western muslims don't take those passages seriously.
Jun 13 2016 5:29PM
BombogenesisWoman running for POTUS (arguably most powerful position in world) while being investigated by FBI for putting country at risk suggests man being investigated by FBI should have his rights stripped. Sorry if ya don't see it my man.
Holy cow you aren't trolling. Wow. Just wow.
In any case, what does Hilary have to do with this? Or were you just taking advantage of this tragedy to push your unrelated opinions?
Jun 13 2016 5:36PM
californiagrownHoly cow you aren't trolling. Wow. Just wow.In any case, what does Hilary have to do with this? Or were you just taking advantage of this tragedy to push your unrelated opinions?
Yes we get it anyone who doesn't have the same opinion you do is an idiot you've made this very clear with your immature track record over literally years. It's all good dude.
Jun 13 2016 5:44PM
BombogenesisYes we get it anyone who doesn't have the same opinion you do is an idiot you've made this very clear with your immature track record over literally years. It's all good dude.
So you are an opportunistic attention whore who preys upon tragedies to gain attention so you can pivot and start talking about unrelated opinions?
Cause that is exactly what you did here.
What is my opinion on Hilary? You dont know it lol. You just know I think you're an idiot who will grasp at the most tenuous of connections that have magnitudes of order difference in order to argue your opinions.
Jun 13 2016 5:45PM
BombogenesisYes we get it anyone who doesn't have the same opinion you do is an idiot you've made this very clear with your immature track record over literally years. It's all good dude.
The man involved in the shooting was investigated for possible terror relations. Hilary is being investigated because she pressed delete. Really not the same thing.
Jun 13 2016 5:48PM
californiagrownSo you are an opportunistic attention whore who preys upon tragedies to gain attention so you can pivot and start talking about unrelated opinions?Cause that is exactly what you did here.
What is my opinion on Hilary? You dont know it lol. You just know I think you're an idiot who will grasp at the most tenuous of connections that have magnitudes of order difference in order to argue your opinions.
Dude we get it. You're an angry person who is bitter about something in life. I don't think any of us know why you're filled with such hate and constantly have to combat people on the Internet, but there are people you can talk to to unpack it and try to figure out how to move on. I wish you the best of luck brother!!
Jun 13 2016 5:53PM
BombogenesisDude we get it. You're an angry person who is bitter about something in life. I don't think any of us know why you're filled with such hate and constantly have to combat people on the Internet, but there are people you can talk to to unpack it and try to figure out how to move on. I wish you the best of luck brother!!
I guess I got got. You are trolling after all.
Jun 13 2016 10:20PM
VinnieFJust to point out a couple obvious flaws in your argument :If guns are illegal the blackmarket price in a first world country, especially for guns that are more desirable for crime, would be prohibitive for many shooter.
So then you say they'd build a bomb. Totally possible, but to build an effective bomb that can easily be walked in somewhere that has the capability of as many casualties as this shooting would take both know-how and would be difficult to do without alerting any authorities making the chance of getting caught before it even happens far higher.
I'm in no way saying to ban guns. Just pointing out flaws in your argument.
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