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fun fact:

My nickname was teen dad for three months after loosing my virginity

If a 16 year old is too stupid to use birth control or abstain from sex, they are too stupid to properly care for a child. They are probably too stupid for a lot things.

At that age, the parents are either in school all the time or working all the time. It's a big no IMO.

If teenagers could be halfway decent parents MTV sure would be bummed

Dennis_Reynoldsfun fact:

My nickname was teen dad for three months after loosing my virginity

Dont play we know you lost it at 38

Teenagers can be shit parents. Teenagers can also be great parents.

Adults can be shit parents. Adults can also be great parents.

It depends, some can handle it and some can't. Unfortunately, the kind going and getting pregnant to begin with generally are probably more on the irresponsible side.

JGWIIt depends, some can handle it and some can't. Unfortunately, the kind going and getting pregnant to begin with generally are probably more on the irresponsible side.

How is having sex irresponsible? Pretty much everyone has sex

S.J.WHow is having sex irresponsible? Pretty much everyone has sex

That's not what I'm trying to say. Someone less mature may be having a lot more unsafe sex than some one more mature therefor that person is more likely to become pregnant. Pregnancy rates among African American and Hispanic teens which generally speaking live in more impoverished homes and have less maturity on account of a lack of parental support (I know its a huge generalization, however, I'm trying to talk on a large scale.) are less mature and are 2.5 times more likely than Caucasians to become pregnant by age 20.

S.J.WHow is having sex irresponsible? Pretty much everyone has sex

Getting pregnant as a teenager is irresponsible. Nobody said that sex in general is irresponsible.

Sex doesn't automatically mean babies.

What gets to me is that everyone thinks being a bastard is socially acceptable

JGWIThat's not what I'm trying to say. Someone less mature may be having a lot more unsafe sex than some one more mature therefor that person is more likely to become pregnant. Pregnancy rates among African American and Hispanic teens which generally speaking live in more impoverished homes and have less maturity on account of a lack of parental support (I know its a huge generalization, however, I'm trying to talk on a large scale.) are less mature and are 2.5 times more likely than Caucasians to become pregnant by age 20.

ahhh I see I see. Good point

DirtYStylEWhat gets to me is that everyone thinks being a bastard is socially acceptable

But theres nothing wrong with it and it is in literally no way the kids fault so why would you take it out on them.

BushDid9-11But theres nothing wrong with it and it is in literally no way the kids fault so why would you take it out on them.

I can name a few things that are very wrong. But, I am going to save my breath to avoid the shitstorm. BTW this thread is about parents

DirtYStylEI can name a few things that are very wrong. But, I am going to save my breath to avoid the shitstorm. BTW this thread is about parents

How is it very wrong? I'm legit curious to see your logic behind this.

The main problem that I have with this topic is that again and again, it is mentioned that teenagers that are having children are not "responsible" enough to be good parents and deal with the responsibilities that parenthood entails

I strongly argue this idea because the premise of this argument is based upon age. People think that just because a teenager is a particular age (say 16 to keep it simple), that the teenager is somehow not "mature" enough to deal with the responsibilities of parenting a child.

The key issue is that people are justifying teenage parenting on the premise of age, and this idea is flawed because it insinuates that somehow a person's age dictates their maturity and emotional well being, which ultimately states that a correlation exists between a person's age and a person's ability to be a good parent. This concept is BULLSHIT.

The whole idea of this topic is "teenage pregnancy", and that phrase right there is a label that is placed of people of a certain age having sex and deciding to have the child and become parents.

"Teenage pregnancy", which is a phrase has been labeled with immature, emotionally troubled, often misinformed people that had sex and had a so called "unexpected pregnancy". This phrase has created a negative connotation that is tried to archaic geriatric thinking, and the phrase has been beaten into the heads of people thru the media and various other outlets, and it basically means that all teenagers that have sex, maybe have a kid that they didn't accept are BAD PEOPLE AND LOUSY PARENTS.

Everyone always focuses and looks down upon people when the term "teenage pregnancy" is used, and automatically when people hear this term they attach it to a bunch of negative and untrue stereotypes. What isn't focused on is the thousands to teenagers that have sex, have kids, and are good parents and the whole term "teenage pregnancy" needs to be abolished because it is not reflective out what it insinuates which is that somehow a person's age is a measure of their maturity and ability to raise a child

MadFlavorThe main problem that I have with this topic is that again and again, it is mentioned that teenagers that are having children are not "responsible" enough to be good parents and deal with the responsibilities that parenthood entails

I strongly argue this idea because the premise of this argument is based upon age. People think that just because a teenager is a particular age (say 16 to keep it simple), that the teenager is somehow not "mature" enough to deal with the responsibilities of parenting a child.

The key issue is that people are justifying teenage parenting on the premise of age, and this idea is flawed because it insinuates that somehow a person's age dictates their maturity and emotional well being, which ultimately states that a correlation exists between a person's age and a person's ability to be a good parent. This concept is BULLSHIT.

The whole idea of this topic is "teenage pregnancy", and that phrase right there is a label that is placed of people of a certain age having sex and deciding to have the child and become parents.

"Teenage pregnancy", which is a phrase has been labeled with immature, emotionally troubled, often misinformed people that had sex and had a so called "unexpected pregnancy". This phrase has created a negative connotation that is tried to archaic geriatric thinking, and the phrase has been beaten into the heads of people thru the media and various other outlets, and it basically means that all teenagers that have sex, maybe have a kid that they didn't accept are BAD PEOPLE AND LOUSY PARENTS.

Everyone always focuses and looks down upon people when the term "teenage pregnancy" is used, and automatically when people hear this term they attach it to a bunch of negative and untrue stereotypes. What isn't focused on is the thousands to teenagers that have sex, have kids, and are good parents and the whole term "teenage pregnancy" needs to be abolished because it is not reflective out what it insinuates which is that somehow a person's age is a measure of their maturity and ability to raise a child

Dude you need to quit with your hyper liberal bullshit. When you are a teenager, and you get pregnant, that is a teenage pregnancy. Sure if you have grandparents that can support the young parents and the new child it can be fine. But if you get pregnant as a highschool student you probably aren't going to finish school and are going to be worth minimum wage trying to support a family. Great Plan!

S.J.WHow is it very wrong? I'm legit curious to see your logic behind this.

First, take a look at the term in a historical context. What was group-think back then vs. now? Go ahead and do your own research because I am not about to write an essay about the history of a bastard.

Now, I am not a parent and I am not intending to be one for a good while. So I am not well versed in the best way to raise a child. I would hazard a guess that you need to have enough time, money, and energy to focus on a child. If external factors are distracting the parents from their child, they will not be effective. Just my opinion, two parents are better than one.

Historically, the women would stay at home to tend to the house/children. The men would go out and bring home the bacon. Nowadays, we have both parents in the work force. Having only one source of income will put some serious stress on a household. Especially when they work three jobs at minimum wage, which results in the single parent having two hours a day to "raise" their child.

CaseyDude you need to quit with your hyper liberal bullshit. When you are a teenager, and you get pregnant, that is a teenage pregnancy. Sure if you have grandparents that can support the young parents and the new child it can be fine. But if you get pregnant as a highschool student you probably aren't going to finish school and are going to be worth minimum wage trying to support a family. Great Plan!

You are looking at the issue from purely an American perspective and are rejecting the overall concept parenting.

The problem with the argument that you are making is that you are ascribing age (teenagers) as a measure of maturity and ability to parent a child.

Age is totally irrelevant in your argument because you are looking at this issue in a very narrow scope. There are tons of people that have children that are in their 20s and 30s that are horrible parents.

School also has nothing to do with this in the larger scope of the issue because billions of children are born by uneducated parents all throughout the world, so what you are hinting at is that somehow there is a correlation between education and parenting, and in fact this is a false claim. People in other countries that are totally uneducated have children and you are stating that somehow schooling dictates how well a person can parent a child.

Again, open your eyes are look at this from a holistic perspective. You need to consider this as a global issue.

DirtYStylEFirst, take a look at the term in a historical context. What was group-think back then vs. now? Go ahead and do your own research because I am not about to write an essay about the history of a bastard.

Now, I am not a parent and I am not intending to be one for a good while. So I am not well versed in the best way to raise a child. I would hazard a guess that you need to have enough time, money, and energy to focus on a child. If external factors are distracting the parents from their child, they will not be effective. Just my opinion, two parents are better than one.

Historically, the women would stay at home to tend to the house/children. The men would go out and bring home the bacon. Nowadays, we have both parents in the work force. Having only one source of income will put some serious stress on a household. Especially when they work three jobs at minimum wage, which results in the single parent having two hours a day to "raise" their child.

A bastard is literally a child born out of wedlock. Your entire argument is flawed. Marriage doesn't automatically make someone financially responsible and magically gives them energy to raise a child. Marriage is literally just a stupid contract people care about. Nowhere in marriage is a child mentioned, nor does marriage equate to having children. Nor does marriage make someone a good parent, in the same way unmarried parents are bad parents.

I'm sorry, but you should probably rethink your opinion on bastard children, because they seem to pretty flawed and lack basic reasoning.

MadFlavorYou are looking at the issue from purely an American perspective and are rejecting the overall concept parenting.

The problem with the argument that you are making is that you are ascribing age (teenagers) as a measure of maturity and ability to parent a child.

Age is totally irrelevant in your argument because you are looking at this issue in a very narrow scope. There are tons of people that have children that are in their 20s and 30s that are horrible parents.

School also has nothing to do with this in the larger scope of the issue because billions of children are born by uneducated parents all throughout the world, so what you are hinting at is that somehow there is a correlation between education and parenting, and in fact this is a false claim. People in other countries that are totally uneducated have children and you are stating that somehow schooling dictates how well a person can parent a child.

Again, open your eyes are look at this from a holistic perspective. You need to consider this as a global issue.

Why should I look at this as a global issue when it clearly is not the ideal path for the people in the community/country that I live and know. If a 16 year girl with no support system got knocked up in Seattle, Washington I would not go to her and say, hey you know this is very normal in Kenya, don't worry about educating yourself or having a life they dont have any of those things in Africa and everything is fine there, right?

S.J.WA bastard is literally a child born out of wedlock. Your entire argument is flawed. Marriage doesn't automatically make someone financially responsible and magically gives them energy to raise a child. Marriage is literally just a stupid contract people care about. Nowhere in marriage is a child mentioned, nor does marriage equate to having children. Nor does marriage make someone a good parent, in the same way unmarried parents are bad parents.

I'm sorry, but you should probably rethink your opinion on bastard children, because they seem to pretty flawed and lack basic reasoning.

This is why I didn't expand because I don't have time to argue with your ignorance. Here is the definition for you: a person born of parents not married to each other.

I am saying marriage is the pretense for two adults to live with each other and raise a child. It can happen without marriage, but it is so rare that it is not worth mentioning. lol @ u for using magic as your reasoning.

CaseyWhy should I look at this as a global issue when it clearly is not the ideal path for the people in the community/country that I live and know. If a 16 year girl with no support system got knocked up in Seattle, Washington I would not go to her and say, hey you know this is very normal in Kenya, don't worry about educating yourself or having a life they dont have any of those things in Africa and everything is fine there, right?

dude you proved my whole point

you are looking at this from a narrow perspective and assuming stereotypes and the worst case scenario

S.J.WHow is it very wrong? I'm legit curious to see your logic behind this.

The curiosity is weak with this one

DirtYStylEThis is why I didn't expand because I don't have time to argue with your ignorance. Here is the definition for you: a person born of parents not married to each other.

I am saying marriage is the pretense for two adults to live with each other and raise a child. It can happen without marriage, but it is so rare that it is not worth mentioning. lol @ u for using magic as your reasoning.

But marriage is not the pretense for children. No where in marriage are children even mentioned. Gays have been legally allowed to adopt children way longer than they have been allowed to be married.

You're equating marriage with children. And that's false. Yes it's a societal norm for people to get married then have kids, but marriage doesn't automatically make you a good parent.

So you're going to tell me you think that drunk couple that just got married in vegas is going to be a better set of parents than the couple in a defacto relationship who decided to have a kid just because they're married?

My uncle had a kid when he was married and was a pretty shit father. He got a divorce and then he had a child with a partner he was in a defacto relationship with and is a much better father. But from your logic and reason it would stand that he should have been a better father because he was married. No, your logic is so flawed. Marriage does not make you a good parent, in the same way not being married makes you a bad parent.

Please rethink your entire view on bastard children because it's so flawed and so wrong.

S.J.WSo you're going to tell me you think that drunk couple that just got married in vegas is going to be a better set of parents than the couple in a defacto relationship who decided to have a kid just because they're married?

Wow

DirtYStylEWow

Just pointing out the flaws in your logic.

Marriage doesn't make you a good parent in the same way a defacto relationship makes you a bad parent.

There is no causation between marriage and parental ability. There's a correlation because usually married couples plan to have kids, but it's not a causation.

Anyone can be a good parent. Just like anyone can be a bad parent. Just takes a ton of hard work, sacrifice, and patience. But the choice is still yours. Age has nothing to do with it.

DirtYStylEI can name a few things that are very wrong. But, I am going to save my breath to avoid the shitstorm. BTW this thread is about parents

My parents weren't married when they had me making me a bastard. I'm very curious to hear what you think you know/ what your argument is about how I am not "socially acceptable."

S.J.WTeenagers can be shit parents. Teenagers can also be great parents.

Adults can be shit parents. Adults can also be great parents.

This is the correct answer and #1 and #3 are the reason I have a job.

Ultimately very few people (teens or adults) are able to be good parents if they don't have some kind of supports (partner, family, friends, etc).

MinggMy parents weren't married when they had me making me a bastard. I'm very curious to hear what you think you know/ what your argument is about how I am not "socially acceptable."

Don't take this the wrong way. I was hoping to get some responses on this topic from the modern era. Please refer to roman society for how and why a bastard is socially unacceptable.

DirtYStylEDon't take this the wrong way. I was hoping to get some responses on this topic from the modern era. Please refer to roman society for how and why a bastard is socially unacceptable.

we're not living in Roman society though. In Roman society two people fighting to the death was also socially acceptable. So wanna fight to the death? So was slavery... Again your logic is so flawed, so so flawed

S.J.Wwe're not living in Roman society though. In Roman society two people fighting to the death was also socially acceptable. So wanna fight to the death? So was slavery... Again your logic is so flawed, so so flawed

What the fuck are you talking about? Our society is derived from the Romans. Society is a social construct that is always changing based on people opinions. I have mine. You have yours. Who is right and wrong? Nobody. You really need to look up the definition of logic kid.

It's not the act of marriage that stabilizes a family, but rather, that marrying is a reflection of a positive stable relationship.

obviously there are outliers but this thread isn't the first place the topic of bastard kids has been broached. Study after study reveals that in general kids from married families are better off.

kids living in cohabiting households don't do as well socially, educationally and psychologically as kids living in intact married households. Cohabiting couples with a child are more than twice as likely to break up before their child turns 12 as their married counterparts. That lack of stability is tied to school failure, behavior problems, drug use and loneliness. [FTA]

DirtYStylEWhat the fuck are you talking about? Our society is derived from the Romans. Society is a social construct that is always changing based on people opinions. I have mine. You have yours. Who is right and wrong? Nobody. You really need to look up the definition of logic kid.

you're basing your entire opinion on why a child born out of wedlock is socially unacceptable on a society which existed over hundreds of years ago. There is no valid argument in that, and logic is based on the principles of validity. You're retarded, go sit in the corner and think about why your opinion is so, so, so flawed.

Are we talking 16 and younger or are 18-19 year olds included?

16 and younger= shit for brains parenting.

BushDid9-11But theres nothing wrong with it and it is in literally no way the kids fault so why would you take it out on them.

I guess you're a bastard then

S.J.Wwe're not living in Roman society though. In Roman society two people fighting to the death was also socially acceptable. So wanna fight to the death? So was slavery... Again your logic is so flawed, so so flawed

I would love to wear white gloves around and whenever someone insults me I could take one off, slap them with it, and challenge them to pistols at '12.

DirtYStylEDon't take this the wrong way. I was hoping to get some responses on this topic from the modern era. Please refer to roman society for how and why a bastard is socially unacceptable.

DirtYStylEWhat the fuck are you talking about? Our society is derived from the Romans. Society is a social construct that is always changing based on people opinions. I have mine. You have yours. Who is right and wrong? Nobody. You really need to look up the definition of logic kid.

Are you trying to say that the Roman way of life sets the standards for ours? While we have been influenced by Roman culture, we have also been influenced by Germanic culture, by Middle Eastern culture, etc. No culture exists in a vacuum- each culture is shaped by those which came before it and those which existed around it. To say that our culture is derived from the Romans is only partly true and in no way morally validates what the Romans did. Simply because the Romans did something, it doesn't necessarily mean that we should.

Also- opinions can be false and logic is the means by which we prove opinions to be false or true. Proof: if all opinions are true, then my opinion that there are false opinions is necessarily true. Therefore, false opinions exist. Additionally, if one of you is saying X and the other is saying not-X, both arguments cannot be true at the same time (but you can both be false). This is the Law of Non-Contradiction and basically sets the stage for the possibility of knowledge itself. Without it, knowledge (of anything) would not be possible.

So, actually, between the two of you- one of you is right, one of you is wrong OR you are both wrong.

THEDIRTYBUBBLEI would love to wear white gloves around and whenever someone insults me I could take one off, slap them with it, and challenge them to pistols at '12.

S.J.WHow is having sex irresponsible? Pretty much everyone has sex

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Sno.Are we talking 16 and younger or are 18-19 year olds included?

16 and younger= shit for brains parenting.

honey, this ain't the 1940's. things have changed

you are the same type of person that thinks teenagers shouldn't have access to planned parenthood

get your head out of the gutter

I think a huge part to consider is their network behind them such as are their parents supportive, helping out, etc.

can they be good parents? Maybe, they will need some help. Can they be good at life as well? Generally not so much.

Meaning, if you have a kid as a teen it's not that you can't be a good parent but the people who had kids in their teens are dumb/broke as fuck because the time they would be spending getting schooled or working their way up in a career ladder was spent taking care of kids.

At least their kids are less likely to be retarded. There are so many health risks/developmental disorders that skyrocket with kids whos mothers had them after 30, 35... Advanced maternal age is not the end of the world I'm sure lot of our moms had us when they were over 30, but the chance of you having a retarded kid after 35 is like 4x higher (because I totally didnt pull that number outta my ass...)

MadFlavorhoney, this ain't the 1940's. things have changed

you are the same type of person that thinks teenagers shouldn't have access to planned parenthood

get your head out of the gutter

True things have changed, but one thing hasn't- teenagers don't have the life experience that older people do. It's not because they are stupid or dumb but because it's a simple mechanical fact of life. It takes time to learn about the world and how best to properly navigate it and very few young people have the life experience required to do it. Young people always think they know the answers to life only to find out in their 30's or 40's that they knew very, very little about the world and how best to live it.

This is not to say that young people can't be good parents, but it's very unrealistic to think that teenagers are best equipped for dealing with one of the most important tasks set before us (properly raising a child). More often than not, they lack the means and ability to best provide for the child in a highly complex, modern society. Is it possible? Yes of course it's possible, but it is highly improbable and one only has to look at those families that had babies when they were teenagers. It's not exactly a favorable position to be in.

From what I've witnessed from where I live and work. No.

The majority are White Trash looking for their next *insert your choice of alcohol here* fix and the cheapest way to get cigarettes. It's mostly from 1 night stands with something that looks good after a night out. And (I don't really like using this) no prospects in later life. There is no discipline with their children and they run riot all over the place.

onenerdykidTrue things have changed, but one thing hasn't- teenagers don't have the life experience that older people do. It's not because they are stupid or dumb but because it's a simple mechanical fact of life. It takes time to learn about the world and how best to properly navigate it and very few young people have the life experience required to do it. Young people always think they know the answers to life only to find out in their 30's or 40's that they knew very, very little about the world and how best to live it.

This is not to say that young people can't be good parents, but it's very unrealistic to think that teenagers are best equipped for dealing with one of the most important tasks set before us (properly raising a child). More often than not, they lack the means and ability to best provide for the child in a highly complex, modern society. Is it possible? Yes of course it's possible, but it is highly improbable and one only has to look at those families that had babies when they were teenagers. It's not exactly a favorable position to be in.

well written

ok look, i try to look at things from a rational point of view and look to things that will solve the problem

it does exist that ppl in this country grow up in broken families, do not have money, do not have an education and end up in the high school to prison pipeline

the first thing is not to get these ppl a huge windbreaker that has rainbow tape on the back of it that says VICTIM, lately we have these politicians get up on the stump and try to explain how the playing field isnt level and it is tilted this way, and it your a person of color you cant expect that or poverty. the first thing we do we say to this so called "victim" group is this:

you grew up in a single parent family, you grew up in poverty, no education, fill in the blank whatever, go ahead and join the lineshare of most of the ppl on the planet, now thats the bad news

here is the good news: you live in the United States, if your in Ethiopia im not sure what you can do, but if you live here there is plenty

and it ranges, it ranges from going to take some courses at the local community college to lets get you certified to become a dental hygenist or whatever or a policeman, fireman

YOU ARE NOT A VICTIM, and if you are go ahead and join the other hundred million ppl in this country that grew up in low income with no education, or from a broken family, or whatever

people need to stop having babies thats what they need to do

eh my dad (born 1945) had my sister when he was 16 and two other kids before he turned 20. he worked his ass off and is an outstanding citizen from nothing with three kids. my sister had a similar situation. raised two fantastic children herself.

Its not that i dont think teens should have kids. but some people in general shouldnt have kids