03gadeI'm pretty sure they said snowboarders screw up the single chair. They allowed snowboarders for a while but they kept messing up they chair when they pushed off. I read about it in one of those freebie VT mags.

this was the case in the mid 80's when snowboarders were first allowed, but there is no reason to not allow them on the 3 double chairs they have.

the.hellion.I don't know -- and some cursory research has done little to enlighten me beyond the familiar arguments of "bigotry and prejudice against snowboarders," or "it's just not as safe as skiing." To be honest, both of those arguments sound like bullshit. I'm not an expert, but I've definitely noticed a difference in the way a novice skier and a novice snowboarder affect the snow - the "heelside hero stance" is great for getting you down any run, no matter how steep or bumpy, but scrapes all of the snow down in one singular movement. Pressure is never varied and the snow is pushed down to the bottom of the run, no fun for anyone.

Now, I know you say that you see skiers all the time skiing shittily down runs, but by necessity they push the snow off to the sides as they go, even in a snow plow, as opposed to straight down the hill. Skid turns and pizza turns do the same thing and snow is never scraped off in a linear downward motion, like in snowboarding. More snow stays on the hill. These are really just my personal observations, but it actually takes a skier a lot of edge control to fully sideslip down a run (usually taking a bunch of snow with you) For snowboarders, it's one of the only two ways they can get down and often in steep and bumpy terrain, snowboarders are too scared to go toeside and thus the heelside hero.

I think there are legitimate differences in the way that skiers and snowboarders make their way down the mountain and it's important to note that shitty skiers make shitty bumps too.

Skiers just fuck up in terrain parks. Broken brakes sending skis flying own the slope, always hiking up the landings to get their ski or poles. They're always in the way

Not that any of those mtns are known for terrain parks, but just saying, we can do this about anything.

In reality the only reason is "We don't want to ski with snowboarders" or "Our customers don't want to ski with snowboarders".

FigNewtonAlta's target market is that old granola dude that hates snowboards and just wants to ski fresh snow.

And it fucking works for them.

I think that a lot of older skiers are really prejudiced. A couple weeks ago some snowboarder overshot a jump at my local hill and got completely knocked out. Ski patrol(which is all volunteers older than 50 who ski) comes over 15 minutes later even though their headquarters is literally 100 feet away, and yes they were notified immediately. They claim to not know what to do and do absolutely nothing for 30 minutes, One even "Oh i'm sure he'll wake eventually and be just fine", and then the kid wakes up, but he's obviously no all there mentally. So ski patrol tells himto go into the chalet, chill,and call his mom and just go home, he can't even remember what happened to himself. So he does that, very confused, and goes home. Earlier this season i hit my head on the ice real bad and wemnt over to the ski patrol building, and they freaked out and did everything they could do to make sure I was ok.

/rant

TLDR skiers are very prejudiced

the point is who gives a fuck, private companies can deny service to anyone they want. end of story, bird is doper than alta anyway.

BortySkiers just fuck up in terrain parks. Broken brakes sending skis flying own the slope, always hiking up the landings to get their ski or poles. They're always in the way

Not that any of those mtns are known for terrain parks, but just saying, we can do this about anything.

In reality the only reason is "We don't want to ski with snowboarders" or "Our customers don't want to ski with snowboarders".

in reality it comes down to the target market. are old people going to spend more money than lil snowboarder rats? absolutely. so who are they going to listen to? a veteran well paying customer over some snowboarder that only buys a pass? makes sense

There's no point. I think it's really dumb. If you watch this video a dude said travis rice and all the pros came back in the day and said it was too hard to ride. I have no problem with them. I think they just have been branded with being this and that but most of them aren't.

http://youtu.be/YwWDMAEYe5c

HP123in reality it comes down to the target market. are old people going to spend more money than lil snowboarder rats? absolutely. so who are they going to listen to? a veteran well paying customer over some snowboarder that only buys a pass? makes sense

Implying that there aren't a ton of snowboarders who have been doing it before you were alive.

Also a lot of families that do the once a year ski vacation have kids that do both.

And a ton of skiers of all ages only ski where they have a season pass to. But let's be ignorant.

BortyImplying that there aren't a ton of snowboarders who have been doing it before you were alive.

Also a lot of families that do the once a year ski vacation have kids that do both.

And a ton of skiers of all ages only ski where they have a season pass to. But let's be ignorant.

not really sure what your point is here? no need to be upset.

these resorts cater to skiers only because it works for them. financially and it makes their target market happy. no lil obnoxious park rat snowboarders getting in their way and being rude. You can hate on it all you want but there's a reason why those resorts are still up and running, with the reputation that they have.

HP123not really sure what your point is here? no need to be upset.

these resorts cater to skiers only because it works for them. financially and it makes their target market happy. no lil obnoxious park rat snowboarders getting in their way and being rude. You can hate on it all you want but there's a reason why those resorts are still up and running, with the reputation that they have.

I'm not upset. I find arguing about trivial things on internet forums surprisingly therapeutic actually,

How many "lil obnoxious park rats" will choose to go to a mountain that has no park, or barely a park, over a mountain with a great park?

But what is logic anyway?

FigNewtonAlta's target market is that old granola dude that hates snowboards and just wants to ski fresh snow.

fuck yeah im not old or granola (really) and i just want to ski freah snow. an alta usually has it

I wish I was allowed to do a downhill biathlon at more resorts. Dangerous? my ass! I'm a skier goddammit!

BortyI'm not upset. I find arguing about trivial things on internet forums surprisingly therapeutic actually,

How many "lil obnoxious park rats" will choose to go to a mountain that has no park, or barely a park, over a mountain with a great park?

But what is logic anyway?

exactly so why're you so butthurt over it

BortyI'm not upset. I find arguing about trivial things on internet forums surprisingly therapeutic actually,

How many "lil obnoxious park rats" will choose to go to a mountain that has no park, or barely a park, over a mountain with a great park?

But what is logic anyway?

Dude no need to get upset. Obviously if you like to ski park Alta isn't your first choice. But I know a lot of people including myself who don't like park, haven't been exposed to park (myself) and enjoy skiing Alta. I can still do tricks as there are a lot of jumps and features around the mountain but you don't have that "park scene". And the few times I have skied park I gotta say I didn't like it as much.

It's all preference. Honestly if Alta made it open to snowboarders they would lose money. Deer valley doesn't have the terrain Alta has and everyone would just buy snowbird passes.

.lenconDude no need to get upset. Obviously if you like to ski park Alta isn't your first choice. But I know a lot of people including myself who don't like park, haven't been exposed to park (myself) and enjoy skiing Alta. I can still do tricks as there are a lot of jumps and features around the mountain but you don't have that "park scene". And the few times I have skied park I gotta say I didn't like it as much.

It's all preference. Honestly if Alta made it open to snowboarders they would lose money. Deer valley doesn't have the terrain Alta has and everyone would just buy snowbird passes.

A: im not upset. if its your first day here I type long replies in a few seconds. As mentioned I also like arguing with people on the internet, especially if their posts are pretty dumb.

B: You basically just repeated what I said about the park situation.

Powder was made for snowboards, sorry you can't hang.

BortyA: im not upset. if its your first day here I type long replies in a few seconds. As mentioned I also like arguing with people on the internet, especially if their posts are pretty dumb.

B: You basically just repeated what I said about the park situation.

Powder was made for snowboards, sorry you can't hang.

Powder was made for snowboards? Pretty sure powder was around long before snowboarding was.

Go over to YoBeat

BortyA: im not upset. if its your first day here I type long replies in a few seconds. As mentioned I also like arguing with people on the internet, especially if their posts are pretty dumb.

B: You basically just repeated what I said about the park situation.

Powder was made for snowboards, sorry you can't hang.

Yeah you're just trolling rn.

There are multiple valid reasons for why Alta is skier only. It really has nothing to do with the "snowboarder attitude", unless maybe you're talking about the select few people who are still ignorant to the stereotype. All the older dudes I've talked to on the lifts have seemed to be super stoked on the young guys that rip around doing backflips and smoking in the trees. Most people are aware that snowboarding isn't bad, it just isn't meant for Alta.

BortyA: im not upset. if its your first day here I type long replies in a few seconds. As mentioned I also like arguing with people on the internet, especially if their posts are pretty dumb.

B: You basically just repeated what I said about the park situation.

Powder was made for snowboards, sorry you can't hang.

damn dude who pissed in your cereal this morning?

I, for one, am very sad for the snowboarders who don't get to experience Alta's world-class traverses.

jason...damn dude who pissed in your cereal this morning?

nobody. Just arguing with noobs on here the same way I do with noob boarders.

I love ski only mountains they're great. Snowboarders DO have a blind spot. Been cut off so many fucking times by them. Its a nice change of pace to ride at a skier only mountain as shallow as that sounds

KravtZI love ski only mountains they're great. Snowboarders DO have a blind spot. Been cut off so many fucking times by them. Its a nice change of pace to ride at a skier only mountain as shallow as that sounds

lol. These threads are always amusing.

Snerrberrders and their blind spots. At least their gear stays attached when they fall.

BortySnerrberrders and their blind spots.

So true. You can't have eyes without having blind spots. Science!

Bortylol. These threads are always amusing.

Snerrberrders and their blind spots. At least their gear stays attached when they fall.

sorry you'll never be able to shred alta, i know you're real upset about it.

if you weren't you would've moved on by now. *butthurt forever*

I used to think it was all the same but as I ski more snowboarders get in the way more and more i thought it was just an excuse for old pissy white guys but it's a little true. But hey i used to think a girl could ski as well as a guy until i saw the girls and guys freestyle teams compete.

HP123sorry you'll never be able to shred alta, i know you're real upset about it.

if you weren't you would've moved on by now. *butthurt forever*

You clearly don't know anything about me. I've argued for 10 plus pages about lesser things. But keep trying to pretend you hurt my feelings somehow.

Honestly "no snowboarding" isn't what's stopping me.

A. I have skis

B. Time is my only issue. The same reason I didn't jhole or grand targhee till last season. I probably wouldn't go to deer valley but that's whatever. I also have no problem with poaching on my snowboard.

I think the no snowboard policy is antiquated as fuck, but if I was going to be "butthurt forever" about anything it would be the lack of time I have to check out new ski areas when I'm working so much in the ski season.

Its run by old geizers

BortyEnglish isn't your first language is it?

I could probably ride bumps cleaner on my snowboard than several of the skiers bitching in this thread.

This topic has been beaten to death again and again though.

It all comes down to idiot who think that snowboarders are evil and will ruin the mountain. Every other reason is total bullshit.

As far as the ski vibe thing. There are other places like that such as Hickory in NY. It has nothing to do with being ski only.

I wonder how many criers we would find on here if parks went back to being "snowboard only".

Ya'll haters can watch johnny tsunami, suck my dick, and get blasted in the face when I carve by you while you're standing in the trail taking selfies of your cute little ski vacation.

YOLO

FUCK YOU

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Bortylol. These threads are always amusing.

Snerrberrders and their blind spots. At least their gear stays attached when they fall.

Damn dude, butt hurt much? Jealousy is an ugly color on you borty beans.

WhooooopFUCK YOU

ure most hated person in this thread

It feels good

McNocheDamn dude, butt hurt much? Jealousy is an ugly color on you borty beans.

You should give up on the internet. You aren't very good at it. Thanks for trying though

BortyIt feels good

You should give up on the internet. You aren't very good at it. Thanks for trying though

Instead of posting 35,000, maybe you could be a more efficient worker. Then you could have time to ski more. Be able to stop the "I work so much" claim posts.

McNocheInstead of posting 35,000, maybe you could be a more efficient worker. Then you could have time to ski more. Be able to stop the "I work so much" claim posts.

Okay buddy. If you want I can link some of the park layouts and rail jam setups I've built solo. Im pretty damn good at my job. But what do you know about terrain parks anyway. There's a "I crush it at my job" claim.

Also weren't you the one talking about not being able to afford a ski trip? You've really figured out what the core of the sport is all about.

Maybe you just need to learn how to use the intrawebz bruh. 35k posts shows about how much I care when I reply to people like you.

Sorry you cant hang

BortyOkay buddy. If you want I can link some of the park layouts and rail jam setups I've built solo. Im pretty damn good at my job. But what do you know about terrain parks anyway. There's a "I crush it at my job" claim.

Also weren't you the one talking about not being able to afford a ski trip? You've really figured out what the core of the sport is all about.

Maybe you just need to learn how to use the intrawebz bruh. 35k posts shows about how much I care when I reply to people like you.

Sorry you cant hang

Another claim thread from the infamous borty beans

Some of the things people say in this thread are hilarious. Have none of you ever snowboarded before / ski'd with someone who knows how to snowboard?

Shitty snowboarders (and shitty skiers) will never venture their way up to where the good snow is anyway / by the time they get there, it'll have been ski'd out by people like us who actually give a shit about snow conditions

McNocheAnother claim thread from the infamous borty beans

Wait till I tell you about my world famous chili. Ive got more claims than a new jersey based car insurance company. Yolo

Alta has a bunch of traverses that snowboarders would create too much traffic. They would have to take off their boards and walk

Bortynobody. Just arguing with noobs on here the same way I do with noob boarders.

Except you're like the only snowboarder on NS...

If this thread doesn't epitomize the NS community, I don't know what does.

ianrich511Except you're like the only snowboarder on NS...

Far from it. Even a mod is a boarder.

BortyFar from it. Even a mod is a boarder.

That's disgusting.

BortyFar from it. Even a mod is a boarder.

That's just gross. Is it true that all snowboarders lick each others butt holes?

snowboarding is for cool kids who can't ski or skateboard.