WillowsWent to the local ski shop to get my bindings adjusted for three skis (I don't my self enough to do this). They kept my skis for two weeks and charged me $100 which which seemed like quite a bit, but anyway the thing is that my bindings are set pretty weird. I'm 135lbs, 6' and a pretty avid skier. The settings are as follows:

Salomon STH 13 on Faction 2.0:

Right ski:

toe(Right) din 9

heel(Right) din 6

Toe(Left) din 9

Heel(Left) din 5

Griffons on a sickday 110 (mud on the skis when I got them back):

din 7 front and back on both skis

Nordica Firearrow 80 TI:

7 front and back on both skis

the adjustments on my factions left me quite puzzled

did they forget to do it or is there something i don't know. They said that they would wax the Factions as well, but there are no signs of that. The only thing that has changed with them is a 10cm long scratch in the base... I really don't want them to do anything else to my skis. Should I adjust the bindings myself (to din 7)?

Admitting on this website that you don't know how to adjust your DINs, while simultaneously admitting too paying $100 for it is really asking for the responses you'll get.....

Either way you got fucked over. Could have bought a wax kit and a screwdriver for a quarter of that price lolo

Im 120 lbs and Im at 6 and 7.

You paid 100 fucking dollars to get your dins changed? It takes less than 15 seconds and a screwdriver

I believe he's posting this because he's not sure what din he should be on not because he didn't know how to twist a screw driver. Any ways do the research but I believe & sounds correct for you so adjust the factions to 7.

wtf just to adjust din

just get screw drive righty tighty and get it to read to where you want it

This thread makes my head hurt.

Really the tech should have noted something on the work order if the DINs had to be different.

One of 2 things has happened here:

1. The tech f*cked up and didn't adjust that set of bindings

2. When they tested the release force it was all jacked up so they adjusted the bindings until the release force was where it should be. The DIN number is 100% meaningless if the bindings aren't releasing at the force that they should be.

If this is the case, it's because of one of:

-Your boots are worn, causing weird inconsistent release, this should have manifested itself on your other bindings though but may not have due to different binding design

-The bindings are worn/faulty/the springs are old and sloppy

-The mount sucks

-The binding forward pressure and toe height isn't correctly set, resulting in shit release values

Either way, you paid good money for good work, I would check in with the shop before you listened to some complete and utter randoms on the internet. If you "just set them to 7" and it turns out the spring in the left heel has gone stiff and you end up with a release value equivalent to 9-10 DIN there is real potential for you to hurt yourself.

rozboonWhen they tested the release force it was all jacked up so they adjusted the bindings until the release force was where it should be.

Don't most places set a tolerance though? At least all the ones around here do, having 9 and 6 would prompt a phone call to the customer saying that their binding is jacked.

What do you mean "adjusted"? Like a remount? Did they only reset your dins?

OP this same fucking thing happened to me. I took my pivots and new skis in to get mounted, paid 100 bucks and when I got them back they told me they were not safe to ski. When I took them to a different shop the problem was that the first shop didn't adjust my dins correctly which is why they were deemed unsafe.

Your dins should be the same in the heel and toe. Mine were at like 8 in the heel and 5 in the toe which isn't right at all. So you have to adjust that and you should be fine.

Also, go get your fucking money back. If all you paid for was them to adjust your dins that is crazy. Literally a 30 second job dude. Thats insane.

100$ to reset the din? Shops and resorts do it for free as long as you sign the release of liability form on your receipt.

There is such a thing as keeping the keep dins a little lower, but not that much. The heel spring can wear down over a few years, but 1 difference is a bit much for me. 4 points is insane.

Go back to the shop and make a fuss maybe?

I'm just very confused, but heres what I know:

1. whoever did your skis should get fired

2. should've asked ns before trying anything

addie.I'm just very confused, but heres what I know:

1. whoever did your skis should get fired

2. should've asked ns before trying anything

Well this was zero help.

McNocheWell this was zero help.

so was this

Minggso was this

Touché minggggggyyyyy

marrowsAdmitting on this website that you don't know how to adjust your DINs, while simultaneously admitting too paying $100 for it is really asking for the responses you'll get.....

Either way you got fucked over. Could have bought a wax kit and a screwdriver for a quarter of that price lolo

gnar_whalYou paid 100 fucking dollars to get your dins changed? It takes less than 15 seconds and a screwdriver

Forgot to mention that I also had my soles grinded on two pairs plus wax for all. I really think the standard of american ski shop are way higher... They did not have my boot only my sole number. I know how to adjust DIN I just didn't want to do myself. The Factions are brand new and so are the bindings.

rozboonThis thread makes my head hurt.

Really the tech should have noted something on the work order if the DINs had to be different.

One of 2 things has happened here:

1. The tech f*cked up and didn't adjust that set of bindings

2. When they tested the release force it was all jacked up so they adjusted the bindings until the release force was where it should be. The DIN number is 100% meaningless if the bindings aren't releasing at the force that they should be.

If this is the case, it's because of one of:

-Your boots are worn, causing weird inconsistent release, this should have manifested itself on your other bindings though but may not have due to different binding design

-The bindings are worn/faulty/the springs are old and sloppy

-The mount sucks

-The binding forward pressure and toe height isn't correctly set, resulting in shit release values

Either way, you paid good money for good work, I would check in with the shop before you listened to some complete and utter randoms on the internet. If you "just set them to 7" and it turns out the spring in the left heel has gone stiff and you end up with a release value equivalent to 9-10 DIN there is real potential for you to hurt yourself.

the bindings are brand new. He didn't take my boots for adjustments. I asked him if he wouldn't be needing it, but he said that it wouldn't be necessary. I asked him about toe height, but he just looked at me and shook his head..

I'm 65kg or 143lb and I set my DIN to 13-14. always, if I'm not using a pivot 18, then I I'm good w 12. They always come of when I want and never goes off when I don't want them to.

You gotta take in mind that you weight i easily doubled w heavy landings. and those sniper taps just arent fucking with binding at all times.

Most places have machines that test the DIN settings to see if they are correct for skier height, weight, skier type, ect. I'd ask about the awkward setting, but dont fuck with the DINs until you do.

Willowsthe bindings are brand new. He didn't take my boots for adjustments. I asked him if he wouldn't be needing it, but he said that it wouldn't be necessary. I asked him about toe height, but he just looked at me and shook his head..

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm 90% sure they would need at least 1 boot to correctly get the job done seems like a red flag in my book

Shoey-SkiCorrect me if I'm wrong but I'm 90% sure they would need at least 1 boot to correctly get the job done seems like a red flag in my book

This. Can't set forward pressure to your boot, without YOUR boot. Demand an ASTM test with your boot, or demand your money back

Shoey-SkiCorrect me if I'm wrong but I'm 90% sure they would need at least 1 boot to correctly get the job done seems like a red flag in my book

wow.. Thanks for the wake up call guys! Thought I trusted this shop...

Went there today and had to tell them to take my boot.. I don't think that they have a machine that test the binding adjustments.. Standards are low here in Denmark compared to the US I guess... I will definitely have them checked at a resort in Norway when I go there. They seemed like they knew less about bindings than me (Which according to you guys' reactions would make them imbeciles) I know I should wax myself...

addie.I'm just very confused, but heres what I know:

1. whoever did your skis should get fired

2. should've asked ns before trying anything

no

no

SammyDubzno

no

you don't think whoever worked on his bindings was completely inept? i mean you're entitled to your opinion but like... it doesn't sound like they did it right lol

Minggso was this

this

rozboonThis thread makes my head hurt.

Really the tech should have noted something on the work order if the DINs had to be different.

One of 2 things has happened here:

1. The tech f*cked up and didn't adjust that set of bindings

2. When they tested the release force it was all jacked up so they adjusted the bindings until the release force was where it should be. The DIN number is 100% meaningless if the bindings aren't releasing at the force that they should be.

If this is the case, it's because of one of:

-Your boots are worn, causing weird inconsistent release, this should have manifested itself on your other bindings though but may not have due to different binding design

-The bindings are worn/faulty/the springs are old and sloppy

-The mount sucks

-The binding forward pressure and toe height isn't correctly set, resulting in shit release values

Either way, you paid good money for good work, I would check in with the shop before you listened to some complete and utter randoms on the internet. If you "just set them to 7" and it turns out the spring in the left heel has gone stiff and you end up with a release value equivalent to 9-10 DIN there is real potential for you to hurt yourself.

addie.you don't think whoever worked on his bindings was completely inept? i mean you're entitled to your opinion but like... it doesn't sound like they did it right lol

Read this^^^

Even if the tech did fuck up or whatever, firing him/her would be overboard.

And coming to NS asking about what release values and such to use is pretty much like asking "I have a size 9 foot what boot should I get?" Go to a shop. 99% of the time they have the knowledge and the machines to do the job much better than what some rando on NS says.

Okie dokie, now that it comes out that they never had your boot... what the hell. Makes no sense whatsoever. They can't have tested the release force for your boot since it wasn't there, so there's no reason the DINs should be different. However, they also can't have adjusted your forward pressure correctly, so the entire thing is a crapshoot and the bindings need to be looked at by somebody COMPETENT before being used.

those settings at 9 for the toe are way to high for you and a new binding based on what you said your height and weight were. I would honestly take the receipt back to them with the skis and the copy of your work form for the binding adjustment. If there was a problem, a good tech would have noted something on the sheet in the technician comments section. But even so, a 9 front and rear that low is a major red flag. Also, without the boots, he couldnt set the toe height correctly or twist/forward pressure test the boot. I would honestly get all your money back and never visit that shop again.

freeskibum82those settings at 9 for the toe are way to high for you and a new binding based on what you said your height and weight were. I would honestly take the receipt back to them with the skis and the copy of your work form for the binding adjustment. If there was a problem, a good tech would have noted something on the sheet in the technician comments section. But even so, a 9 front and rear that low is a major red flag. Also, without the boots, he couldnt set the toe height correctly or twist/forward pressure test the boot. I would honestly get all your money back and never visit that shop again.

Pretty much what I have planed

Found a Rossi shop near me that seem to have their shit together.

Rozboon's reply contains all necessary info. However, given the fact that they didn't use your boot and managed to get mud on your skis, I'd be a bit skeptical. Get it double checked for sure.

SammyDubzRead this^^^

Even if the tech did fuck up or whatever, firing him/her would be overboard.

And coming to NS asking about what release values and such to use is pretty much like asking "I have a size 9 foot what boot should I get?" Go to a shop. 99% of the time they have the knowledge and the machines to do the job much better than what some rando on NS says.

fair point, should've read the whole thread ha, thanks :)

gnar_whalYou paid 100 fucking dollars to get your dins changed? It takes less than 15 seconds and a screwdriver

Wrong. he took his bindings in to get calibrated, which everyone should do every season to make sure your bindings are working in a safe manner and which entails much more than just a screw driver

brett_fisherwtf just to adjust din

just get screw drive righty tighty and get it to read to where you want it

Nope.

addie.I'm just very confused, but heres what I know:

1. whoever did your skis should get fired

2. should've asked ns before trying anything

Nope. NS does know some things about gear, but if you ask myself or any of the other ski techs site we will always say dont trust NS because we cant physically see or touch your skis to identify a problem. trust NS for very basic advice but always head to a shop with professionals to clarify.

Willowsthe bindings are brand new. He didn't take my boots for adjustments. I asked him if he wouldn't be needing it, but he said that it wouldn't be necessary. I asked him about toe height, but he just looked at me and shook his head..

This is extremely worrisome. to set your dins and calibrate your bindings the shop needs your boots 100% of the time. this is not even a question. if he set the bindings with that much variation without even having your boots, he shouldn't be working at a ski shop. sometimes i do see bindings with this much variation in din pressure, but that is only with very old bindings. new bindings should have perfect springs unless they are defective so i would get them calibrated at a different shop and if they are still all over the place, contact solomon. not to mention STHs do have a toe height setting which is one of the many reasons the shop needs your boots so since toe height wasn't set your skis are not very safe to use anyway. not to mention that unless you have tiny feet, your dins should either have been set to a 6.5 or a 6 not a 7, at which point you could have turned them up yourself.

brov1Wrong. he took his bindings in to get calibrated, which everyone should do every season to make sure your bindings are working in a safe manner

I've never taken mine in. I figure I'll notice if something's not working once I start skiing!

brov1Wrong. he took his bindings in to get calibrated, which everyone should do every season to make sure your bindings are working in a safe manner and which entails much more than just a screw driver

Nope.

Nope. NS does know some things about gear, but if you ask myself or any of the other ski techs site we will always say dont trust NS because we cant physically see or touch your skis to identify a problem. trust NS for very basic advice but always head to a shop with professionals to clarify.

This is extremely worrisome. to set your dins and calibrate your bindings the shop needs your boots 100% of the time. this is not even a question. if he set the bindings with that much variation without even having your boots, he shouldn't be working at a ski shop. sometimes i do see bindings with this much variation in din pressure, but that is only with very old bindings. new bindings should have perfect springs unless they are defective so i would get them calibrated at a different shop and if they are still all over the place, contact solomon. not to mention STHs do have a toe height setting which is one of the many reasons the shop needs your boots so since toe height wasn't set your skis are not very safe to use anyway. not to mention that unless you have tiny feet, your dins should either have been set to a 6.5 or a 6 not a 7, at which point you could have turned them up yourself.

i thought he said he paid for his din to be adjusted my bad.

brov1Wrong. he took his bindings in to get calibrated, which everyone should do every season to make sure your bindings are working in a safe manner and which entails much more than just a screw driver

Nope.

Nope. NS does know some things about gear, but if you ask myself or any of the other ski techs site we will always say dont trust NS because we cant physically see or touch your skis to identify a problem. trust NS for very basic advice but always head to a shop with professionals to clarify.

This is extremely worrisome. to set your dins and calibrate your bindings the shop needs your boots 100% of the time. this is not even a question. if he set the bindings with that much variation without even having your boots, he shouldn't be working at a ski shop. sometimes i do see bindings with this much variation in din pressure, but that is only with very old bindings. new bindings should have perfect springs unless they are defective so i would get them calibrated at a different shop and if they are still all over the place, contact solomon. not to mention STHs do have a toe height setting which is one of the many reasons the shop needs your boots so since toe height wasn't set your skis are not very safe to use anyway. not to mention that unless you have tiny feet, your dins should either have been set to a 6.5 or a 6 not a 7, at which point you could have turned them up yourself.

i thought he said he paid for his din to be adjusted my bad.

WillowsForgot to mention that I also had my soles grinded on two pairs plus wax for all. I really think the standard of american ski shop are way higher... They did not have my boot only my sole number. I know how to adjust DIN I just didn't want to do myself. The Factions are brand new and so are the bindings.

If they're brand new bindings that shop fucked up