so ik skiing isnt all about money and thats not why i am asking this what so ever but i feel like some of my friends have a misconception that pro freeskiers are making ridiculous amounts of money similar to other sports like soccer but is that really true? I mean ik comp skiers that do well like tom, torrin, gus and whoever else probably make a good living, but what about people who focus more on edits but are very popular in the freeski community? Like lets say henrik or B-dog for example. Or even just the pro skier thats very good but no t many people know about?
Dec 17 2015 7:48PM
Yobeat made an article on that topic but for snowboarding. It's definitely a good read.
http://yobeat.com/2015/11/23/how-much-money-do-professional-snowboarders-get-paid/
The last sentence sums it up pretty good: "There are maybe 5 guys making 7 figures plus. Everyone else is fighting for what’s left over"
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Dec 17 2015 11:39PM
kryptonicso ik skiing isnt all about money and thats not why i am asking this what so ever but i feel like some of my friends have a misconception that pro freeskiers are making ridiculous amounts of money similar to other sports like soccer but is that really true? I mean ik comp skiers that do well like tom, torrin, gus and whoever else probably make a good living, but what about people who focus more on edits but are very popular in the freeski community? Like lets say henrik or B-dog for example. Or even just the pro skier thats very good but no t many people know about?
Go to my created threads, and you will find it. All the answers you need, bae.
Dec 17 2015 11:41PM
PachankzSeth has to be at least 45 years old. Kinda mind boggling the length of his career and that he's still going rather strong. He's probably had a contract with k2 for at least 20 years now . Guys beyond legend.
Welcome to NS m8. I think you'll be liked here, seeing as your first few posts aren't utter whale shit like other fresh members' are.
Dec 17 2015 11:56PM
Not much.
But they grind in the summer doing something else and save up a little and then get some sort of subsidy in the winter deals on gear and tickets and maybe a free trip or five and live the dream.
You don't have to be a 'pro' to ski like they do just work really hard in the offseason and have 5k allocated to the sport for the winter and some sort of income and you can get 50-100 days and shred as much as them.
There isn't a single newschooler who can't drive an uber or a truck all summer long and live like a pro if that is what you want to do and what you want to be. And plenty of other options too (work at a golf course work on a fishing boat etc etc.)
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PachankzSo who's making the big cash nowadays?Bobby brown
Pettit
Seth Morrison ( potentially, getting older now but has a lot of " pro model" gear )
Henrik?!
Wallisch?
Dumont did but has retired
Tanner ?
Like to hear others thoughts
I doubt Petit is at the top. The guy crushes it and I love to watch him ski, but he just doesn't get the main stream exposure that the comp guys get. Specifically Gus.
Dec 18 2015 3:15PM
Mike.RecordsI doubt Petit is at the top. The guy crushes it and I love to watch him ski, but he just doesn't get the main stream exposure that the comp guys get. Specifically Gus.
You mustn't have been watching the past decade of ski movies that closely . Pettit has what 4 pro model skis out on k2? His ads litter the magazines, he's pretty much filled Seths shoes as the number one big mountain skier in the world. If you absorb yourself in only park skiing comp culture than your missing half the boat my friend.
Dec 18 2015 3:31PM
PachankzYou mustn't have been watching the past decade of ski movies that closely . Pettit has what 4 pro model skis out on k2? His ads litter the magazines, he's pretty much filled Seths shoes as the number one big mountain skier in the world. If you absorb yourself in only park skiing comp culture than your missing half the boat my friend.
I'm in no way, shape or form connected to the ski industry, so I don't know the ins and outs of how things work. I'm assuming a few things here
a) I don't think pro models translate to higher salaries. I feel like there are high level skiers without pro models and lower level skiers with them.
b) Again, not sure if exposure translates to higher salaries. I'm sure that's all part of a negotiated sponsorship contract. Again, there are dudes who might not get much more than some equipment who still have ads all over the place
c) Petit is an amazing skier, but I don't think you can say he's filled Seth's shoes. They are very different skiers. Petit reminds me more of T-Hall than Seth.
d) I think an argument could be made that Petit is bringing in more cash than other skiers based on who he's sponsored by (Oakley and Red Bull being the big ones) along with the kind of exposure he's bringing. The fact that Red Bull has an ongoing mini-series chronicling last season probably says more about how much they value him than a few magazine ads.
Dec 18 2015 3:33PM
This is snowboarding so its probably a bit different.
One of my good buddy's brother is a pro/am boarder. He is not a contest rider. A few years ago he was getting paid $1000/mo from DC. At that time he had a shot or two with videograss and traveled on a few trips with them. He paid for travel on most his trips. He also was receiving massive boxes of every kind of clothes and gear you could think of. It was insane how much gear was thrown his way.
Now I would consider him pro/am. He has full parts in videograss movies and does not have to pay for most his travel and probably has a much larger paycheck.
Dec 18 2015 3:36PM
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I_liketobutterThis is snowboarding so its probably a bit different.One of my good buddy's brother is a pro/am boarder. He is not a contest rider. A few years ago he was getting paid $1000/mo from DC. At that time he had a shot or two with videograss and traveled on a few trips with them. He paid for travel on most his trips. He also was receiving massive boxes of every kind of clothes and gear you could think of. It was insane how much gear was thrown his way.
Now I would consider him pro/am. He has full parts in videograss movies and does not have to pay for most his travel and probably has a much larger paycheck.
Who are you talking about? He's definitely well known if he has full parts with Videograss.
Dec 18 2015 6:22PM
saskskierI'm in no way, shape or form connected to the ski industry, so I don't know the ins and outs of how things work. I'm assuming a few things herea) I don't think pro models translate to higher salaries. I feel like there are high level skiers without pro models and lower level skiers with them.
b) Again, not sure if exposure translates to higher salaries. I'm sure that's all part of a negotiated sponsorship contract. Again, there are dudes who might not get much more than some equipment who still have ads all over the place
c) Petit is an amazing skier, but I don't think you can say he's filled Seth's shoes. They are very different skiers. Petit reminds me more of T-Hall than Seth.
d) I think an argument could be made that Petit is bringing in more cash than other skiers based on who he's sponsored by (Oakley and Red Bull being the big ones) along with the kind of exposure he's bringing. The fact that Red Bull has an ongoing mini-series chronicling last season probably says more about how much they value him than a few magazine ads.
Of course pro models translate to a higher salary contract especially when you have a whole series. How many skiers besides candide and Pettit have an entire series of skis dedicated to them ? I can't think of any off the top of my head .
Of course exposure in advertising pays a higher salary. Would you shoot commercial ads for free? Again more exposure equates to bigger sales for the brand which in turn gets you paid .
Pettits filling Seths position as the go to guy for big mountain skiing. The styles are a world apart as pettits way more playful and Seths more of a charger huckster ; it's the role of being top dog I'm referring to. Who else fits the mold would you say? Not hoji, not abma, not Tudor and certainly not tanner .
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PachankzOf course pro models translate to a higher salary contract especially when you have a whole series. How many skiers besides candide and Pettit have an entire series of skis dedicated to them ? I can't think of any off the top of my head .Of course exposure in advertising pays a higher salary. Would you shoot commercial ads for free? Again more exposure equates to bigger sales for the brand which in turn gets you paid .
Pettits filling Seths position as the go to guy for big mountain skiing. The styles are a world apart as pettits way more playful and Seths more of a charger huckster ; it's the role of being top dog I'm referring to. Who else fits the mold would you say? Not hoji, not abma, not Tudor and certainly not tanner .
Pollard? Hoji? JP? All have/had multiple 'pro models' simultaneously.
I'm willing to bet the vast majority of sponsored skiers do not include a regular salary. Gear and perhaps some help for travel, but I don't think there is a ton of cash floating around for the athletes. I'm sure there are incentives based in contest results, film parts and advertising. Even then... I mean the travelling circus guys have lots of exposure, but it still seems like they live on next to nothing.
Again, not trying to take away from Petit, but I just dont agree with the Seth comparison. Seth will always be Seth in the same way that Mcconkey and JP are pretty much stand alones. Perhaps someday Petit will be up there with them, but he needs at least another solid 10 years under his belt before he joins those ranks.
Dec 18 2015 9:23PM
saskskierPollard? Hoji? JP? All have/had multiple 'pro models' simultaneously.I'm willing to bet the vast majority of sponsored skiers do not include a regular salary. Gear and perhaps some help for travel, but I don't think there is a ton of cash floating around for the athletes. I'm sure there are incentives based in contest results, film parts and advertising. Even then... I mean the travelling circus guys have lots of exposure, but it still seems like they live on next to nothing.
Again, not trying to take away from Petit, but I just dont agree with the Seth comparison. Seth will always be Seth in the same way that Mcconkey and JP are pretty much stand alones. Perhaps someday Petit will be up there with them, but he needs at least another solid 10 years under his belt before he joins those ranks.
Pollard is a legend for sure , and has multiple pro model skis , he didn't come to mind in a quick thought, however he's more of a freestyle powder skier than a big mountain slayer: just don't see him skiing the same type terrain as Pettit.
Jp ( rip) is obviously in a class of legends and that will always stand but he's no longer with us.
Hoji as I mentioned his name is a pioneer, and legend of big mountain skiing and is a downright badass but doesn't have the bag of tricks Pettit has not the exposure. My stance stays , although young you're correct, imho he's top dog at the moment in big mountain skiing and since Seth has taken a step back and slowed a bit from filming etc I personally feel Pettit is filling his shoes . Just an opinion anyway. To each his own.
Dec 18 2015 9:43PM
PachankzSo who's making the big cash nowadays?Bobby brown
Pettit
Seth Morrison ( potentially, getting older now but has a lot of " pro model" gear )
Henrik?!
Wallisch?
Dumont did but has retired
Tanner ?
Like to hear others thoughts
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PachankzPollard is a legend for sure , and has multiple pro model skis , he didn't come to mind in a quick thought, however he's more of a freestyle powder skier than a big mountain slayer: just don't see him skiing the same type terrain as Pettit.Jp ( rip) is obviously in a class of legends and that will always stand but he's no longer with us.
Hoji as I mentioned his name is a pioneer, and legend of big mountain skiing and is a downright badass but doesn't have the bag of tricks Pettit has not the exposure. My stance stays , although young you're correct, imho he's top dog at the moment in big mountain skiing and since Seth has taken a step back and slowed a bit from filming etc I personally feel Pettit is filling his shoes . Just an opinion anyway. To each his own.
I think you may have misinterpreted my post. I wasn't arguing that those guys are the best big mountain guys or even comparing them to Petit or Seth. You said you could only think of two skiers with a signature line and felt that had an impact on their salary.
These are all guys with a 'signature line', and while they (talking about Pollard, JP and Hoji, not Petit or Candide) might get paid a bit more than lots of others in the industry, I doubt it's much and I'm sure it has more to do with being with their respective sponsors for 10+ years than having their name on a ski.
Dec 19 2015 3:23AM
Average pro like say Sean Logan and Parker white would make between 25 to 40k a year including travel.
A pro like Like Chris Benchetler/sean p around 200 to 300 k..
Candide 500 k plus a year.
Tanner around 300k
Dollo would make aroind 150 to 200k maybe more
Philcasabon wiild be lukcy to make 60k (i assume)
Some one like corey vanular woyld be lucky to get 10 g a year (even though hes better than most super pros)
Someone like clayton villa would be lucky to make 15k. (Ive heard k2 is quite stingy unless you are pep,seth or sean p)
These are all assumptions based of lots of conversations with many people about the industry. Most pros barley eat.. and the only ski companies that pay well are volkl,Atomic and armada (super pro team only) from what i assume.. but what the fuck do i know haha...
Dec 19 2015 3:34AM
ozzywrongAverage pro like say Sean Logan and Parker white would make between 25 to 40k a year including travel.A pro like Like Chris Benchetler/sean p around 200 to 300 k..
Candide 500 k plus a year.
Tanner around 300k
Dollo would make aroind 150 to 200k maybe more
Philcasabon wiild be lukcy to make 60k (i assume)
Some one like corey vanular woyld be lucky to get 10 g a year (even though hes better than most super pros)
Someone like clayton villa would be lucky to make 15k. (Ive heard k2 is quite stingy unless you are pep,seth or sean p)
These are all assumptions based of lots of conversations with many people about the industry. Most pros barley eat.. and the only ski companies that pay well are volkl,Atomic and armada (super pro team only) from what i assume.. but what the fuck do i know haha...
You're crazy if you think more than 10 skiers make more than $100k a year on a ski company salary.
If you include prize winnings or like a film company/arrangements (ie wallisch or vila) etc, it adjusts it a bit but if a skier doesn't do contests and isnt a euro super star (ie candide) they're making a very low amount of money.
Most of your favorite skiers make less than a full time job at mcdonalds, ie $15/hr 40 hour week.
Their 'travel' budget helps them with costs during the winter so they can 'save' their salaries, but you guys would be shocked on how little money these skiers live on. Contest skiers/skiers who get top 5 at big contests are a bit different because they basically make more money at one contest then they do all season from 'salary' but thats how it works, thats usually different every year too.
Anyways, when it comes to these film skiers, you guys should support them, buy their movies, buy their products because they're scraping by and risking their bodies for your entertainment.
Dec 19 2015 3:48AM
15 skiers i think make more than 100k per year off all sponsorship deals. Combined in 2015..
1)candide
2)tanner hall
3)Henrik
4)nick goeper
5)Bobby Brown
6)Sammy Carlson
7)Sean p
8)Chris Benchetler
9) russ henshaw
10)twall
12)Gus Kenworthy
13)Jon Olsson
14)Joss Christianson
15) Jossi Wells
16) maybe jesper maybe
90% of these guys are big como skiers...
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Dec 19 2015 3:56AM
ozzywrong15 skiers i think make more than 100k per year off all sponsorship deals. Combined in 2015..1)candide
2)tanner hall
3)Henrik
4)nick goeper
5)Bobby Brown
6)Sammy Carlson
7)Sean p
8)Chris Benchetler
9) russ henshaw
10)twall
12)Gus Kenworthy
13)Jon Olsson
14)Joss Christianson
15) Jossi Wells
16) maybe jesper maybe
90% of these guys are big como skiers...
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I mean, I can say it again if you want me to, but your educated guesses aren't right. Sure, they might make more money off of winnings, filming etc but maybe 7 or 8 people on that list have a 'salary' of over 100k. Again, a salary meaning the money they get paid year from a sponsor.
Im not sure where you think theyre all getting money from, but the biggest sponsor of the biggest skiesr on that list dont pay more than 30-40k (some exceptions, just in general) and then as the sponsor gets smaller the money drops significantly and some of sponsors these big skiers have don't pay them either.
Yes some guys make alot of money from maybe red bull or monster or the euro guys (like candide) but normal sponsors that arent big fucking engery drink companies arent paying their athletes THAT much.
I have no 'real' numbers and even if I did, I wouldnt post them, but most skiers don't make a shit ton of money, some skiers that do make a shit ton of money are on that list, but most of them dont. Just because someone is sponsored by red bull doesn't mean they're getting paid the same as the highest paid red bull athlete, etc, get what im saying? Thats all i got for you
Dec 19 2015 4:42AM
Dec 19 2015 5:23AM
eheathAlso, you don't instantly make 10 times more money every year because you have a pro model, just saying.
honestly eheath this is the first thread that i've 100% mentally agreed with you on, there's not a chance in hell that a company like saga/jiberish/faction/k2/line/armada/etc. would be able to support multiple athletes on a budget of even 100k. it just doesn't make sense in my mind how companies in such a niche market as freeskiing would be able to support these guys. it doesn't
Dec 19 2015 6:10AM
eheathI mean, I can say it again if you want me to, but your educated guesses aren't right. Sure, they might make more money off of winnings, filming etc but maybe 7 or 8 people on that list have a 'salary' of over 100k. Again, a salary meaning the money they get paid year from a sponsor.Im not sure where you think theyre all getting money from, but the biggest sponsor of the biggest skiesr on that list dont pay more than 30-40k (some exceptions, just in general) and then as the sponsor gets smaller the money drops significantly and some of sponsors these big skiers have don't pay them either.
Yes some guys make alot of money from maybe red bull or monster or the euro guys (like candide) but normal sponsors that arent big fucking engery drink companies arent paying their athletes THAT much.
I have no 'real' numbers and even if I did, I wouldnt post them, but most skiers don't make a shit ton of money, some skiers that do make a shit ton of money are on that list, but most of them dont. Just because someone is sponsored by red bull doesn't mean they're getting paid the same as the highest paid red bull athlete, etc, get what im saying? Thats all i got for you
Out of curiosity, I'm guessing you would have a pretty good idea, is the energy drink the highest payer out of the sponsors? I'm guessing cell phone companies, target of any other huge company pays the most if they have the hook up. Then probably the energy drink is the next highest payer, then toss up between goggles and skis? Most probably just get free product.
Dec 19 2015 7:35AM
I think the non skiing-based sponsors would be where real money is made. Think Target, Toyota (eg Dumont when he was competing), Betsafe (one of Jon's many non skiing based ones), Audi (Candide), etc
Add to that a select few that Monster and Red Bull look after because of the content they deliver - Bobby, Gus, Jesper (easier for Euros)
Dec 19 2015 9:36AM
eheathI mean, I can say it again if you want me to, but your educated guesses aren't right. Sure, they might make more money off of winnings, filming etc but maybe 7 or 8 people on that list have a 'salary' of over 100k. Again, a salary meaning the money they get paid year from a sponsor.Im not sure where you think theyre all getting money from, but the biggest sponsor of the biggest skiesr on that list dont pay more than 30-40k (some exceptions, just in general) and then as the sponsor gets smaller the money drops significantly and some of sponsors these big skiers have don't pay them either.
Yes some guys make alot of money from maybe red bull or monster or the euro guys (like candide) but normal sponsors that arent big fucking engery drink companies arent paying their athletes THAT much.
I have no 'real' numbers and even if I did, I wouldnt post them, but most skiers don't make a shit ton of money, some skiers that do make a shit ton of money are on that list, but most of them dont. Just because someone is sponsored by red bull doesn't mean they're getting paid the same as the highest paid red bull athlete, etc, get what im saying? Thats all i got for you
As far as I know aside from energy drinks, ski sponsors can pay a very good amount. I wont say exactly but Russ and Nick can make up to $50k alone from Volkl and thats actually true. Its basically the biggest skiers in the comp game that make upwards of 6 figures, including comp money, I dont know the difference between Russ, Nick or Torins red bull checks but theyre probably all different. Plus if you have a shitty season the sponsors wont give you that much as they would for a good season which is obvious.
eheathAlso, you don't instantly make 10 times more money every year because you have a pro model, just saying.
Id guess the skier of the pro model gets some % of each sale on each model sold.
Dec 19 2015 10:22AM
auskiI think the non skiing-based sponsors would be where real money is made. Think Target, Toyota (eg Dumont when he was competing), Betsafe (one of Jon's many non skiing based ones), Audi (Candide), etcAdd to that a select few that Monster and Red Bull look after because of the content they deliver - Bobby, Gus, Jesper (easier for Euros)
Candide and Simon probably just get a demo vehicle that they have to give back, maybe a vehicle at factory price, kinda like pro wakeboarder's and boats. probably get taxed as a taxable benefit lol
Dec 19 2015 10:22AM
auskiI think the non skiing-based sponsors would be where real money is made. Think Target, Toyota (eg Dumont when he was competing), Betsafe (one of Jon's many non skiing based ones), Audi (Candide), etcAdd to that a select few that Monster and Red Bull look after because of the content they deliver - Bobby, Gus, Jesper (easier for Euros)
Candide and Simon probably just get a demo vehicle that they have to give back, maybe a vehicle at factory price, kinda like pro wakeboarder's and boats. probably get taxed as a taxable benefit lol
Dec 19 2015 9:17PM
PachankzSo who's making the big cash nowadays?Bobby brown
Pettit
Seth Morrison ( potentially, getting older now but has a lot of " pro model" gear )
Henrik?!
Wallisch?
Dumont did but has retired
Tanner ?
Like to hear others thoughts
Lol gus tho
ThundercloudSayActually though.
Adian you are like the most fucking chill dude ps tell torin whats up and get better you 2 fucking kill it
ozzywrong15 skiers i think make more than 100k per year off all sponsorship deals. Combined in 2015..1)candide
2)tanner hall
3)Henrik
4)nick goeper
5)Bobby Brown
6)Sammy Carlson
7)Sean p
8)Chris Benchetler
9) russ henshaw
10)twall
12)Gus Kenworthy
13)Jon Olsson
14)Joss Christianson
15) Jossi Wells
16) maybe jesper maybe
90% of these guys are big como skiers...
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99% sure gus is the highest payed skier he is the face of freeskiing and when he came out I read article on espn (i think, ill try to find and link it but) it said he makes $500,000-$1,000,000 a year depending on his image and results ect that year. I was shocked it was that high as Im sure the average pro (aside from the list of people above) make no more than 50k at most probably around 20k or 30k
Dec 19 2015 9:24PM
Its about the middle of the article
Right here: "A top athlete like Kenworthy, who is sponsored by Nike, Atomic, GoPro and Monster, takes in around 80 percent of his $500,000 to $1 million a year from sponsorships, which are based as much on image as they are contest wins."