They both look like sick skis I'm sure either one would be great

well they are essentially the same ski with different widths. the flex pattern is almost identical and so is the base shape. its really all about preference from there, i would go with the vacation because i love wider skis in the park, in the backcountry, and on the mountain but its up to you.

main point here is that they essentially the same ski and if you make the wrong choice its still a good choice

Vacation has more rocker and its wider.

Vacation is a bit stiffer so better for agressive skiing.

They both have the same construction.

But have you looked at Metal? Its stiffer so better for agressive skiing but not Sure how they perform in park.

You should get ON3Ps instead of j skis for $670

whatever one gets more awards and what graphics you like

don't get em jlev is an asshole now...

But actually, I'm sure either one will be awesome. I had a pair of whip its that were awesome, really its just up to you to decide which you want for what you want to do

.lenconYou should get ON3Ps instead of j skis for $670

I've honestly never even visited their website. Interesting.

YoungGun.I've honestly never even visited their website. Interesting.

I'm not trying to bash j skis. Never been on them. But price wise, I'd take the ON3P since I've seen better reviews (also I own ON3P). When I was interested in j skis I could get a pair for under $600. Now it's almost $700. Just kind of ridiculous

.lenconI'm not trying to bash j skis. Never been on them. But price wise, I'd take the ON3P since I've seen better reviews (also I own ON3P). When I was interested in j skis I could get a pair for under $600. Now it's almost $700. Just kind of ridiculous

Yeah that's true. The ON3P kartel 98's seem great. You got me interested lol. What is the flex like?

YoungGun.Yeah that's true. The ON3P kartel 98's seem great. You got me interested lol. What is the flex like?

Well I have the 106s, which are similar, and I have skied the 98s a couple of times. Interesting flex on the ON3Ps. The actually flex isn't too soft until you get to the tips. But the rocker makes them so playful. So they charge hard but buttering isn't a problem at all. I love the 106s and because of their width I find them more playful than the 98s.

Where do you ski?

.lencon.Where do you ski?

Mostly WI/MI... Granite Peak and Bohemia. So decent amount of snow and tree skiing.

YoungGun.Mostly WI/MI... Granite Peak and Bohemia. So decent amount of snow and tree skiing.

Well you could go either way on the 98 or 106. Its personal preference for you. You can't go wrong with either.

In terms of an all mtn ski.

>50% park= kartel 98

.lenconWell you could go either way on the 98 or 106. Its personal preference for you. You can't go wrong with either.

In terms of an all mtn ski.

>50% park= kartel 98

Im thinking 98. I've been riding 90mm skis for years. Thanks a lot for the help!

YoungGun.Im thinking 98. I've been riding 90mm skis for years. Thanks a lot for the help!

No problem dude. I have no doubt you'll love them. And if you hate them I'm sure you could sell them easily cause everyone wants some ON3P!

I have the allplays, and absolutely love them, nice and playful rocker but stiff, they can crush through midwest crud like nothing (unless you ski granite peak, I don't think cruds a thing there)

DabidI have the allplays, and absolutely love them, nice and playful rocker but stiff, they can crush through midwest crud like nothing (unless you ski granite peak, I don't think cruds a thing there)

You're the only person Ive ever heard call J skis stiff.