The axis of a cork is a lot different than what you see in aerials, sure they are hucked, but so were 1080s when people first started doing them. This has been discussed way to many times.

It may be an old topic but it becomes more and more relevant with the current progress path of slopestyle skiing. We're already divided by comp skier vs film skier. We do different tricks, we have different goals, among other differences. Are there any pros left that put out a film part and also compete? Henrik does, I've heard Vinny$ has a project this year. This should not be an exception though it unfortunately is.

Jumbled thoughts on the topic.

TallxTIt may be an old topic but it becomes more and more relevant with the current progress path of slopestyle skiing. We're already divided by comp skier vs film skier. We do different tricks, we have different goals, among other differences. Are there any pros left that put out a film part and also compete? Henrik does, I've heard Vinny$ has a project this year. This should not be an exception though it unfortunately is.

Jumbled thoughts on the topic.

I think your right another debate is a film skier and an Olimpyian and which do most prefer

Is Freeskiing competitions turning into gymnastics? Quite Possibly.

Is skiing it self turning into gymnastics? No. It never will.

yes op this is good debate i am very excite

Well we are not wearing unitards so no

jdfreeski2is skiing turning into gymnastics well a lot of new tricks have been added such as the quad cork. I think that the sport is looking a lot towards ariels. Rails are still a key part in the game, but i think the guys that are trying to do cork nineteen. Could really get hurt.

Comp skiing is OVER, The only way to see true freeskiing is in film. Ive given up on competition skiing completely....

VANULARComp skiing is OVER, The only way to see true freeskiing is in film. Ive given up on competition skiing completely....

Unfortunately i agree with you. its hard to watch comps when riders put in a bunch of style an creativity into a run and get a low score then mr robot(gayepper)does his robot tricks and gets a 95. Comp skiing is over for real skiers.

VANULARComp skiing is OVER, The only way to see true freeskiing is in film. Ive given up on competition skiing completely....

bakerpunkUnfortunately i agree with you. its hard to watch comps when riders put in a bunch of style an creativity into a run and get a low score then mr robot(gayepper)does his robot tricks and gets a 95. Comp skiing is over for real skiers.

You guys didn't like Vinny G's performance at X big air?

I would say competitions would. Film skiing is not. If only Shane was here to help film skiing change mentalities and inspire people through skiing. I've given up on comp skiing

The way I look at this is, if you took an olympic gymnast who'd never put on a pair of skis, and an olympic racer who'd never done any gymnastics, who'd get to pro level (comp skiing) first?

VANULARComp skiing is OVER, The only way to see true freeskiing is in film. Ive given up on competition skiing completely....

I just look at will wesson he's more popular around level 1 NS and Line skis. Nick Geopper is an olimpyian he does the competitions and is succsessful, but i think will wesson or anyone like him are more liking to make the sport grow.

yeah, the benefit of the progression and Olympic status means there could be decathlon events or a points system given to a multitude of events. The result: skiers that participate in a multitude of events and the best all-round skiers could become known. Imagine someone who could throw down in biathlon (shooting/cross-country) then in the pipe. But really a competitor should be able to compete in say 8 events of their own choosing.

there is no quad cork in gymnastics... rather more so turning into aerial skiing(which has already been long debated) but not gymnastics. but even then, freeskiing does not have the rigidity of gymnastics, there may be more flips and spins being added (people can get really hurt doing mundane tricks), but with freeskiing "proper form" is subjective to the individual rider and not based on sets rules. I used to get in trouble all the time in my gymnastics class for bending my knees and doing shiftys while flipping/spinning because that "wasn't gymnastics".

No because you have skis on your feet and snow under them. As long as it's like this, it's skiing. Not gymnastics

johnboleaWell we are not wearing unitards so no

Yet, we are not wearing unitards yet.

I would say no. I have a good friend who is insane at gymnastics and he wasn't that good at the whole spinning in the air thing.. think cork 270 to face.. You need to know how to ski first.

I never understood this damn argument. Gymnastics is nothing like skiing. Maybe in the "thrill" sense and the fact that your boosting yourself into the air and flipping or spinning or whatever. These two sports are so damn different though. Heres my experience:

Gymnastics: No such thing as off axis anything. Never, never. That was extremely frowned upon. If you accidentally went off axis you were in big trouble. Essentially going off axis would result in a huge deduction and angry, angry coaches.

At high levels you have "halves" fulls" "double fulls" triple fulls" etc.

"half in, half out" and "full in, full out" are dubs along with traditional dub fronts and backs. Occasionally you would see a side summy(lincoln) but those were often side passes on floor or beam.

Basically, everything is a flip, where as skiing has different axis's which are more prevalent in my opinion.

In gymnastics you tumble- which involves way more than just flips.

In gymnastics you dance on floor and on a beam. Don't even try to compare beam to rails, i've heard the argument before. just don't.

Bars and vault, I can't even see a relevant comparison.

When I was in level 7, 8, and 9 it was 6 hours a day 5 days a week- 2 hours of hard conditioning/warm ups and 1 hour on each respective event(vault, bars, beam, foor). You were held to a strict diet at all times. Competition season was from November to June and in the summer you were training new skills to compete at the next level. Each year we spent 5-6 weeks at woodward PA as coaches and also training.

Coaching/judging: if you think the judging of skiing is strict, lol. when I was in gymnastics we had a scale out of 10.0. Now they do a 2 score system which I won't get into.

Anyways, some common deductions:

Unpointed toe- .1 to .2

Not high enough releve(standing on your toes)- .1 - .2

Each step from landing- .1 to .3 PER STEP

slight wobble on beam - .1 to .2

fall .8 to 1.0

bent arms or legs .3 to .5

butt out/arched back .3 to .5

bra strap showing: 1.0(the same as a fall)

EVERY PERSON WAS THERE TO WIN- NO ONE PAYS $15,000 A YEAR TO COMPETE FOR "FUN."

After a meet if you didn't place well enough, you were coming in to the gym 6 or 7 days a week until you picked up your "slack." If you got hurt and weren't likely to make a "timely" recovery your ass was out of there.

So yeah, tell me how gymnastics is like skiing?

Mind numbing how this site is completely unable to produce an original thread.

lol gymnastics cost 15000 ??

if you are travelling around going skiing your costs might be similar and the good thing is that no one is deducting points for bent arms

skiguy04lol gymnastics cost 15000 ??

if you are travelling around going skiing your costs might be similar and the good thing is that no one is deducting points for bent arms

Yes. Monthly gym fees, meet fees(you have to pay to compete), travel fees, leotard costs, and the cost of camps(if you don't coach). Lower levels are much less but when you get into "optionals" shit gets more serious. Our gym called it the "Olympic path." Haha. So it gets pricey when you get good and there's no sponsorships really in gymnastics.

Gymnastics is better comparable to racing and aerials as that is more competition based. Freeskiing is only comparable if your sole purpose is to compete and win comps. Ski academy kids(not even all of them) and stuff like that which is a minority in Freeskiing.