Sup geartalk, summer heats got me scheming on my upcoming season setup and I'm wondering if anyone has tried this and wanted to chime in. I currently own a pair of sth2s on RMU apostles, and want to get more into touring but not have to be skiing on a clunky pair of AT bindings all the time. I'm wondering if it would be possible to mount guardians with quiver killers and then swap between the sth2 and the guardian for days I'm not skinning? I've seen that there is a 3rd set of screws on the heel lock of the guardian, whereas the sth2 has only 2, but besides that is there any difference between the mount patterns?
Jul 17 2015 9:56PM
RDemYou could just keep your sth2's on them and buy alpine trekkers
ive heard very few positive things about the performance of alpine trekkers. i thought the inserts might be a decent solution so i can ski my normal setup most of the winter and then switch to a touring binding in the spring when i do most of my skinning.
Jul 18 2015 11:54AM
Jul 18 2015 12:58PM
ShireRative heard very few positive things about the performance of alpine trekkers. i thought the inserts might be a decent solution so i can ski my normal setup most of the winter and then switch to a touring binding in the spring when i do most of my skinning.
Alpine Trekkers are so underrated. There is a very high chance, in my opinion that you will have a binding rip out switching bindings out well before you actually break a trekker.
Get trekkers, go to your local hardware store, buy one of every screw in a trekker and put them in your backpack. That way you will never have problems with your trekkers.
Source- 2 straight seasons on trekkers touring and never having a problem more than replacing a screw or two on the trail.
Jul 18 2015 3:53PM
.lenconYou very well could do this. It's just not good to make A LOT of swaps, so you need to plan your days out. Alpine Trekkers suck, maybe just sell sth and buy guardians? Guardians aren't too clunky for an AT binding. Although they are kind of heavy, they're super low to the ski.
interesting, i thought the whole point of the quiver killer inserts was so it was possible to take the binding screws in and out without much damage to the ski. I like guardians for sure, for an AT binding they ski great. however, im just too much of a jib kid to justify skiing on AT bindings all season long.
Jul 18 2015 3:59PM
PmooreAlpine Trekkers are so underrated. There is a very high chance, in my opinion that you will have a binding rip out switching bindings out well before you actually break a trekker.Get trekkers, go to your local hardware store, buy one of every screw in a trekker and put them in your backpack. That way you will never have problems with your trekkers.
Source- 2 straight seasons on trekkers touring and never having a problem more than replacing a screw or two on the trail.
interesting, your actually one of the first positive reviews i've read of alpine trekkers on this site haha. Are you guys saying that the quiver killer inserts have a tendency to rip out of the core when you change them a lot, or do the binding screws rip out of the inserts? (not that it really matters, a ripped out binding sucks no matter what) honestly to me the ideal at binding is the cast system, but at its current price its more feasible to just buy a whole dedicated touring setup.
Jul 18 2015 4:36PM
ShireRatinteresting, your actually one of the first positive reviews i've read of alpine trekkers on this site haha. Are you guys saying that the quiver killer inserts have a tendency to rip out of the core when you change them a lot, or do the binding screws rip out of the inserts? (not that it really matters, a ripped out binding sucks no matter what) honestly to me the ideal at binding is the cast system, but at its current price its more feasible to just buy a whole dedicated touring setup.
Agreed on the cast system, it is dope.
The issue with quiver killers is they almost always will let water in and thus rot the core and have rip outs. Just an imperfect system, I would love for that to work but I just dont think it does.
Jul 18 2015 4:41PM
PmooreAgreed on the cast system, it is dope.The issue with quiver killers is they almost always will let water in and thus rot the core and have rip outs. Just an imperfect system, I would love for that to work but I just dont think it does.
damn, i thought that was part of the appeal of them, a convenient safe way to change bindings from skis without ruining the integrity of the core. i was not aware of that they had water leakage issues.
Jul 18 2015 5:13PM
ShireRatdamn, i thought that was part of the appeal of them, a convenient safe way to change bindings from skis without ruining the integrity of the core. i was not aware of that they had water leakage issues.
There is just a slim chance anyone installs them perfectly, and that is what has to happen for them to keep water out.
Jul 18 2015 7:07PM
ShireRatinteresting, i thought the whole point of the quiver killer inserts was so it was possible to take the binding screws in and out without much damage to the ski. I like guardians for sure, for an AT binding they ski great. however, im just too much of a jib kid to justify skiing on AT bindings all season long.
Yeah well just like Pmoore said, it's not a great system and someone needs to install them correctly. I know Sander Hadley has or at least had quiver killers and they work well for him from what I understand. Where are you located?
Jul 18 2015 9:02PM
.lenconYou very well could do this. It's just not good to make A LOT of swaps, so you need to plan your days out. Alpine Trekkers suck, maybe just sell sth and buy guardians? Guardians aren't too clunky for an AT binding. Although they are kind of heavy, they're super low to the ski.
It is perfectly fine to make a ton of swaps, it is what they are made for, the amount of swaps shouldn't create any sort of issue unless you strip the metal.
PmooreAgreed on the cast system, it is dope.The issue with quiver killers is they almost always will let water in and thus rot the core and have rip outs. Just an imperfect system, I would love for that to work but I just dont think it does.
How so? as long as you glue them in with something like a waterproof epoxy they shouldn't let any water in. I'd be more worried about water collecting on the inside of the inserts and rusting them out over anything else.
Jul 18 2015 9:25PM
PoikenzIt is perfectly fine to make a ton of swaps, it is what they are made for, the amount of swaps shouldn't create any sort of issue unless you strip the metal.How so? as long as you glue them in with something like a waterproof epoxy they shouldn't let any water in. I'd be more worried about water collecting on the inside of the inserts and rusting them out over anything else.
On paper this all sounds good, I just would not trust them when I am charging, seen too many insert related rip outs in my life to trust them. The issue is, even with epoxy, most people don't put them in enough to really be great at it and it leads to mistakes.
Bottom line, Trekkers will never effect your down hill performance and that is why I prefer them.
Jul 18 2015 9:51PM
PmooreOn paper this all sounds good, I just would not trust them when I am charging, seen too many insert related rip outs in my life to trust them. The issue is, even with epoxy, most people don't put them in enough to really be great at it and it leads to mistakes.Bottom line, Trekkers will never effect your down hill performance and that is why I prefer them.
So the main issue with inserts is just setting them up properly?
Also thanks for the info on the trekkers, seems like a decent option if i take the proper precautions.
Jul 18 2015 9:52PM
.lenconYeah well just like Pmoore said, it's not a great system and someone needs to install them correctly. I know Sander Hadley has or at least had quiver killers and they work well for him from what I understand. Where are you located?
I'm in portland, but I'll probably be spending my season up in Washington.
Jul 18 2015 10:32PM
Jul 19 2015 4:55AM
cobra_commanderThe whole point of guardians is that you don't have to swap out. They ski fine. QC for between STH2 and Guardians seems like a lot of work for not a lot of gain.Alpine treckers just suck.
haha thanks for your input, i see what you mean by just using the guardians. it just seemed like overkill to me with how much time i spend skiing inbounds vs out.
Jul 19 2015 4:56AM
Jul 19 2015 11:57PM
PmooreAlpine Trekkers are so underrated. There is a very high chance, in my opinion that you will have a binding rip out switching bindings out well before you actually break a trekker.Get trekkers, go to your local hardware store, buy one of every screw in a trekker and put them in your backpack. That way you will never have problems with your trekkers.
Source- 2 straight seasons on trekkers touring and never having a problem more than replacing a screw or two on the trail.
Just a random question here: What bindings do you use for your trekkers? I've heard some bindings don't work as well because you can end up stepping out of them
Jul 20 2015 12:16AM
RDemJust a random question here: What bindings do you use for your trekkers? I've heard some bindings don't work as well because you can end up stepping out of them
I use FKS, heel piece prevents your foot from being able to go completely flat, but most people dont do long approaches on flat with trekkers so it is no biggie.
I have never stepped out
Jul 20 2015 5:09PM
i highly recommend the Tyrolia Adrenalins. i only had enough money for my pow/charging setup to also be my touring setup, so i went with them and so far im super impressed. im pretty picky about trusting my bindings and so far i havent noticed any difference between them and regular bindings on the way down
theyre in the same realm as the guardians-- burlier AT bindings that, we hope, you don't have to worry about while charging. so far so good for me