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I was just doing frontflips off this tire and the last one I did, for some reason I didn't commit and scorpioned. My neck is fine but I felt my back bend like it shouldn't. It's been a half an hour and it's starting to hurt a little. Video here:
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**This thread was edited on Jun 19th 2015 at 2:15:17pm
If it hurts after a couple of days go see a doc. I've scorpioned a few times and it usually stopped hurting after a day or so but you can never be too safe when it comes to your spine.
You're gonna feel that one in the morning. I'd play it by ear, but if the pain become unbearable or something starts to tingle of feel numb then I would say go in.
CaptainObvious.Are you trying to display your frustration with my lack of knowledge surrounding voodoo magic and imbeciles?
I personally haven't had much luck with chiropractors but I wouldn't go so low to call the "mall employees". I do know people who have a lot better quality of life due to the actions of a chiropractor.
You should be good but if you're nervous about it or it starts to get bad go to a doctor. I fractured my L3 when I scorpioned in gymnastics and was barely able to move, couldn't get up or anything. So, I think you're probably alright but I'm not a doctor.
MinggYou should be good but if you're nervous about it or it starts to get bad go to a doctor. I fractured my L3 when I scorpioned in gymnastics and was barely able to move, couldn't get up or anything. So, I think you're probably alright but I'm not a doctor.
Agreed. The one time I broke my back I could barely move it hurt so bad. I have hurt my back other times where, yeah my back hurts, but you get over it. If it was broken you would know it is broken.
But don't people have insurance though? I mean I get it if you don't have insurance that you wouldn't want to go... but if you do is there harm in running into the hospital for a quick X-ray on your back?
Mr.BishopBut don't people have insurance though? I mean I get it if you don't have insurance that you wouldn't want to go... but if you do is there harm in running into the hospital for a quick X-ray on your back?
Yes but you're still paying for it. My insurance deductible is $5500. I'm not going to the hospital or doctor unless it's REALLY needed.
I wouldn't be worried about your back, but I am worried about your sense of fashion or basically lack thereof. Details are not necessary, just toss that entire look.
Mr.BishopWait, what? You're telling me that even though you have insurance you have to pay the first $5,500 of going to the hospital?
Are you fucking kidding me? How do you ski?
It's a bit more complicated than that. Depending on the service provided and the details of the plan. Some plans have low deductibles and some have free preventative care amoung other things. But yeah, a trip to the ER will cost you a pretty penny. And trust me, the hospital will get its money one way or another.
Mr.BishopWait, what? You're telling me that even though you have insurance you have to pay the first $5,500 of going to the hospital?
Are you fucking kidding me? How do you ski?
All plans are different. Two of the plans that my work offers are:
-$1000 deductible, then 80% coverage after that
-$5000 deductible, then 100% coverage after that
I opted for the $5000 because I haven't been to the doctor for anything minor (cold, small injuries, etc) in probably 10 years. When I do end up with medical bills it is probably because I really messed myself up and the costs to those injuries add up real quick. In the worst case scenario the most I'll ever be out is $5000. Also, the premiums on the $5000 deductible are about a third of the $1000 deductible.
Pretty much every plan gives you free preventive care.
most insurance plans in the US will cover an ER trip, depending on the reason for visit, for about $100. A full work up will be much more.
I work in the ER most of my day and they would probably get an xray, probably not an MRI. They'll send you out on muscle relaxants like flexeril if there's no fracture. If your pain doesn't radiate anywhere, there's no numbness or tingling, wait a few days. Take some ibuprofen every 6 hours, ~2-400mg, ice/heat it, you'll be fine. If that doesn't help, I'd go to an urgent care for a $100 xray and explore your options after that. Only go to the ER if you're sick, not if you're a pussy
jensenAll plans are different. Two of the plans that my work offers are:
-$1000 deductible, then 80% coverage after that
-$5000 deductible, then 100% coverage after that
I opted for the $5000 because I haven't been to the doctor for anything minor (cold, small injuries, etc) in probably 10 years. When I do end up with medical bills it is probably because I really messed myself up and the costs to those injuries add up real quick. In the worst case scenario the most I'll ever be out is $5000. Also, the premiums on the $5000 deductible are about a third of the $1000 deductible.
Pretty much every plan gives you free preventive care.
Holy shit, that is wild. I had absolutely no idea.
I'm surprised anyone american ever tries to be a pro skier TBH.
I mean I remember back in the day when I was giving a shot at the big leagues, if I fucked myself up bad I'd just roll over to the hospital to make sure everything was all good. I was broke as fuck, barely able to afford food at the time - living at my parents place and working part-time as a ski instructor. I had shit, but I had a dream of being a pro.
Mellow bails I didn't give a shit, but when I really racked myself and couldn't walk I'd just rip over to the hospital for a quick check. I mean sure the wait times are atrocious, but hey - worried I broke my back/neck and whatever... X-rays and cat scans out the wazoo.
That is wild man. I mean whatever your country believes in is all good, but holy shit I can't imagine doing a dangerous sport when you can't just roll into the hospital and be all "fix me up boys, I just did something stupid.". Mad respect for those that slay it with nothing more than $5k and yolo in between them and healthcare.
Mr.BishopHoly shit, that is wild. I had absolutely no idea.
I'm surprised anyone american ever tries to be a pro skier TBH.
I mean I remember back in the day when I was giving a shot at the big leagues, if I fucked myself up bad I'd just roll over to the hospital to make sure everything was all good. I was broke as fuck, barely able to afford food at the time - living at my parents place and working part-time as a ski instructor. I had shit, but I had a dream of being a pro.
Mellow bails I didn't give a shit, but when I really racked myself and couldn't walk I'd just rip over to the hospital for a quick check. I mean sure the wait times are atrocious, but hey - worried I broke my back/neck and whatever... X-rays and cat scans out the wazoo.
That is wild man. I mean whatever your country believes in is all good, but holy shit I can't imagine doing a dangerous sport when you can't just roll into the hospital and be all "fix me up boys, I just did something stupid.". Mad respect for those that slay it with nothing more than $5k and yolo in between them and healthcare.
That last paragraph is one of the best things I've read on this site.
Mr.BishopThat is wild man. I mean whatever your country believes in is all good, but holy shit I can't imagine doing a dangerous sport when you can't just roll into the hospital and be all "fix me up boys, I just did something stupid.". Mad respect for those that slay it with nothing more than $5k and yolo in between them and healthcare.
It doesn't quite work like that. The $5k is a yearly deductible. Once you hit that in a calendar year, you don't pay anything else.
jensenAll plans are different. Two of the plans that my work offers are:
-$1000 deductible, then 80% coverage after that
-$5000 deductible, then 100% coverage after that
I opted for the $5000 because I haven't been to the doctor for anything minor (cold, small injuries, etc) in probably 10 years. When I do end up with medical bills it is probably because I really messed myself up and the costs to those injuries add up real quick. In the worst case scenario the most I'll ever be out is $5000. Also, the premiums on the $5000 deductible are about a third of the $1000 deductible.
Pretty much every plan gives you free preventive care.
Netherlands:
A 375 - 875 deductible, 100% coverage and about 63-110 a month depending on insurance company and slight additives beyond the basic government set policy which is not basic at all, pretty much 100% coverage
Deductible is only for 18+ and if you are poor or a student you can get your premiums subsidised for free by the government to about € 72,-
So some poor people who never see the doc even make a tiny bit of money out of having the insurance which is mandatory by law.
Aharrelson358It doesn't quite work like that. The $5k is a yearly deductible. Once you hit that in a calendar year, you don't pay anything else.
Still a hefty bill for a broke skier.
Do you have to pay the full $5k on your first visit if you broke your shit off and needed a ton of help, or is there a maximum you pay each time regardless of the overall cost?
Do you have to pay the full $5k on your first visit if you broke your shit off and needed a ton of help, or is there a maximum you pay each time regardless of the overall cost?
It's a running total throughout the year. So if you fuck your shit up January 1, and it's a 40,000 dollar hospital bill, you pay your 5k and then not a cent more for anything the rest of the year. But if you have a 500 dollar bill here, a 240 dollar bill there, it's all on you until you hit 5k.
There are also tw things at play here. Deductibles and out of pocket max. So I have a 1000 deductible. Insurance doesn't do Jack shit for me until I've spent that. Once I have, they pay 80% of the cost of my remaining bills until I've coughed up 5k. After I pay 5k, they pay 100%. So there are plans where your deductible is like 100 bucks and then the 80/20 split, but the monthly cost can get crazy and so can the out of pocket max.
Then there's the concepts of flex spending accounts and health savings accounts. Both are tax free straight outta your paycheck, but with flex you have to guess a grand total you think you'll need for the year and if you don't use it all, it disappears at the end. HSA let's you contribute per paycheck and never expires, it those usually only come with high deductible plans.
CaptainObvious.There are also tw things at play here. Deductibles and out of pocket max. So I have a 1000 deductible. Insurance doesn't do Jack shit for me until I've spent that. Once I have, they pay 80% of the cost of my remaining bills until I've coughed up 5k. After I pay 5k, they pay 100%. So there are plans where your deductible is like 100 bucks and then the 80/20 split, but the monthly cost can get crazy and so can the out of pocket max.
What is the tax rate like off your pay where you're at?
Because whenever anyone says Canada has "free" health care, its bullshit. I pay at least 35-40% of my income in tax, and it can be over 50% if you're in a higher tax bracket. As well, sales taxes here in Quebec on purchases is 13.5% Property tax is super high too.
So we pay every day - we just don't have a choice not to.
Do you at least get to keep more money as a result of having such crazy health insurance where you're paying out of pocket so much?
A 375 - 875 deductible, 100% coverage and about 63-110 a month depending on insurance company and slight additives beyond the basic government set policy which is not basic at all, pretty much 100% coverage
Deductible is only for 18+ and if you are poor or a student you can get your premiums subsidised for free by the government to about € 72,-
So some poor people who never see the doc even make a tiny bit of money out of having the insurance which is mandatory by law.
Long live socialism.
You pay for it through higher taxes numbnuts. It ain't free.
That's like saying you got $5 back on your grocery bill last month so you are making money on the sales tax. Nope, you just didn't stop to think where else you're paying that tax.
californiagrownYou pay for it through higher taxes numbnuts. It ain't free.
That's like saying you got $5 back on your grocery bill last month so you are making money on the sales tax. Nope, you just didn't stop to think where else you're paying that tax.
No shit and it depends, if you earn below a certain threshold (welfare and students mostly) you get back way more then the tax you pay.
As if I don't know the tax rates here, they are ridiculous.
Mr.BishopWhat is the tax rate like off your pay where you're at?
Because whenever anyone says Canada has "free" health care, its bullshit. I pay at least 35-40% of my income in tax, and it can be over 50% if you're in a higher tax bracket. As well, sales taxes here in Quebec on purchases is 13.5% Property tax is super high too.
So we pay every day - we just don't have a choice not to.
Do you at least get to keep more money as a result of having such crazy health insurance where you're paying out of pocket so much?
It all depends on how much you make. The median income tax is at about 25% of your income. That doesn't include social security deductions or any voluntary deductions for retirement. So depending on your employer and income, you can lose up to 50% of your paycheck. Granted, some of that loss is for your own gain when you retire (i.e. 401k retirement plans). Our sales tax is about 8% depending on the state you live in (Oregon's is 0%, Colorado is like....4%? and Nevada is 7.72% just to give examples. There are higher state taxes). Property tax can be a bitch but again....it depends on where you live.
Mr.BishopWhat is the tax rate like off your pay where you're at?
Because whenever anyone says Canada has "free" health care, its bullshit. I pay at least 35-40% of my income in tax, and it can be over 50% if you're in a higher tax bracket. As well, sales taxes here in Quebec on purchases is 13.5% Property tax is super high too.
So we pay every day - we just don't have a choice not to.
Do you at least get to keep more money as a result of having such crazy health insurance where you're paying out of pocket so much?
Yeah and that deductible is what they call a major medical deductible. That's for all the big stuff like hospitalization and surgery. For stuff like annual checkups, you only pay a small percentage of them. Like my annual check up, I pay a $30 co-pay when the visit actually costs almost $200+. So most years, unless you have a surgery, you don't pay the full $5k deductible.
Aharrelson358Yeah and that deductible is what they call a major medical deductible. That's for all the big stuff like hospitalization and surgery. For stuff like annual checkups, you only pay a small percentage of them. Like my annual check up, I pay a $30 co-pay when the visit actually costs almost $200+. So most years, unless you have a surgery, you don't pay the full $5k deductible.
Yeah but I guess you have to think twice about going because even if its $30 to get there, you might end up with a $5k tab and toughing it out suddenly seems like a real good option.
But I shouldn't expect you to think that because you're just a shitty troll.
Haha you really aren't a bright one. I have no doubt the chiropractor helped you. I am 100% positive the chiropractor did not reduce a dislocation of your vertebrae.
BTW, a chiro I know has a sweet ocean front property in Arizona he wants to sell for 20% of listing. Interested?
californiagrownHaha you really aren't a bright one. I have no doubt the chiropractor helped you. I am 100% positive the chiropractor did not reduce a dislocation of your vertebrae.
BTW, a chiro I know has a sweet ocean front property in Arizona he wants to sell for 20% of listing. Interested?
Congratulations?
I'm not a chiropractor so I obviously don't know except for what they tell me.
The amount of immaturity that you convey on here is laughable.
californiagrownsays the guy who thinks a chiro reduced his vertebrae dislocation lol.
Oh lord. the amount of common sense that you DO NOT convey on here is laughable...
Im glad we can make each other laugh.
I'm simply amazed by the fact that you were offended and set off by my first post. There had to have been something else to turn you into an asshole. Did your mommy not pack your favorite juice box in your lunch that day?
And who the hell cares if it was dislocated or not? I simply posted what they told me.
Anyways, I'm done trying to tell a dumbass anything. Have a nice day, but try not to be offended by it being father's day and not in celebration of you.
Definitely flaws with it, and you pay through the nose in unavoidable tax - but it's nice to know that if something goes wrong you just go to the hospital and they fix you as best they can.
Mr.BishopI mean I sure like universal health care.
Definitely flaws with it, and you pay through the nose in unavoidable tax - but it's nice to know that if something goes wrong you just go to the hospital and they fix you as best they can.
The issue here is particulary worse if youre into sports, and its why a lot of people quit skiing, biking, etc. Which is lame, but when one wrong fall might cost you a $5,000 dollar premium, you try to take yourself out of situations where you fall.