Both are solid skis. On3ps have thicker edges and bases, so imo that's what I would want. I've heard good things about both skis.

also you may want to consider kitten factory rayzrblaydz. Super similar to the FR, same base and edges, same construction, just 95 underfoot.

equinnHow do they compare?

Vices are stiffer and have less rocker, FRs have bamboo core and thicker edges. Also, the Vices have had some durability issues in the past, they can be hit or miss.

.WashingtonBoth are solid skis. On3ps have thicker edges and bases, so imo that's what I would want. I've heard good things about both skis.

also you may want to consider kitten factory rayzrblaydz. Super similar to the FR, same base and edges, same construction, just 95 underfoot.

The edge and base thickness are really the only similarities between the Rayzrblaydz and the FR. KF uses maple cores and a ton of carbon fiber, making them ski very differently.

People really underestimate the bamboo core, it makes for a much more responsive and snappy ski while still allowing for dampness, plus it's far more durable than other woods.

All 3 are high quality skis made by good companies in the U.S. so you can't really go wrong here. Kinda more comes down to what you're looking for in a ski.

BWalmerVices are stiffer and have less rocker, FRs have bamboo core and thicker edges. Also, the Vices have had some durability issues in the past, they can be hit or miss.

The edge and base thickness are really the only similarities between the Rayzrblaydz and the FR. KF uses maple cores and a ton of carbon fiber, making them ski very differently.

People really underestimate the bamboo core, it makes for a much more responsive and snappy ski while still allowing for dampness, plus it's far more durable than other woods.

All 3 are high quality skis made by good companies in the U.S. so you can't really go wrong here. Kinda more comes down to what you're looking for in a ski.

I've ridden the Jeff 114 and could feel that bamboo. And I say their similar to the rayzrs more in like, rocker camber rocker, sandwich construction, 4001 bases, 2.5 by 2.5 edges, being symetrical, ect (unless I'm mistaken on some of those). I really love the Rayzrs too, and yet with all that carbon they're still buttery. for crud I liked the Rayzrs better, but on other terrain types the Jeffs excelled.

Ill be be demoing more of KF next season and will compare them to the jeff. Cheers

I have vices, and I've rode filthy riches. Vice's are slightly stiffer, but not that much. They both have a good amount of rocker too

VizualI have vices, and I've rode filthy riches. Vice's are slightly stiffer, but not that much. They both have a good amount of rocker too

In all honesty, which ones did you like better?

.WashingtonIn all honesty, which ones did you like better?

I haven't rode the vices long enough to know where it ranks, but filthy riches are banger skis.

any ski would be fine. i actually have both those skis right now. fks on my vices and griffons on my filthy riches. the on3ps are more playful and fatter underfoot and all around. vices seem a lot lighter and stiffer. i would go filthy riches for rails and vices for jumps. on3p will take care of you if you run into trouble. havent had trouble with my vices but either company is awesome!

I only really ski Blizzard and ON3P skis because bamboo really is far and away the best material to make skis cores with.

cobra_commanderI only really ski Blizzard and ON3P skis because bamboo really is far and away the best material to make skis cores with.

There are a lot of companies that use bamboo.

Prototype_1There are a lot of companies that use bamboo.

very few do to the extent of Blizzard (mostly) or ON3P (100%).

cobra_commandervery few do to the extent of Blizzard (mostly) or ON3P (100%).

Liberty uses bamboo cores too ^^

fab02Liberty uses bamboo cores too ^^

Only around 30% of a liberty core is bamboo.