Do you want something more freestyle oriented? Also Id recommend the ON3P Jeffery or 4frnt YLE as those are the pow skis I've spent time on. Ask me any questions about either. Also I've been on surface one life, which I've been told have similarities to the new life, or now more recently called, the balance.

Buy my Candide 4.0s haha

Or the ON3Ps kick ass. I've had 3 pairs and without a doubt some of the best construction I've ever seen

i came here to say the 4F renegades stinky. stiff (ive actually felt them), and are full rocker

I only got to ski my Icelantic Gypsies a few times due to the shitty season we had this year but they were awesome the few days I got them out. Tanky would be the word that best describes them. They love to blast through anything, yet are extremely surfy in pow due to the lack of camber underfoot. Unlike most of my other skis that thin out a lot in the tips the gypsies keep a pretty thick profile all the way out to the tip and tail, it makes them a little heavy, but it also makes them unlikely to deflect in chop. The recommend mount point is pretty centered, so they're definitely made with freestyle in mind. They sound like they might be what you want, fatter (125 waist) and more rockered than most of the skis on your list.

If you like long sidecuts and rocker the other ski I would look at is the Volkl Shiro. I find that Volkl has some of the best rocker profiles for riding chop and crud. They are however, more directional than the icelantics and slightly narrower at 120 underfoot.

stinky_petea lot of chop, and a lot of crud.

You want the billygoats

.Washingtoni came here to say the 4F renegades stinky. stiff (ive actually felt them), and are full rocker

yeah the only down side is that they might be a bit too stiff, and they have a huge turing radius, 35m, that might be a bit much

ghosthopYou want the billygoats

have you ridden them? definitely looking into them, but don't know too much about them

stinky_petehave you ridden them? definitely looking into them, but don't know too much about them

I spent a morning demoing them, the conditions for the day did not warrant that much ski, I spent the rest of the day on Steeples and got a pretty good feel for RES

My biggest comment is if these will be a OSQ, I thought that RES was sketchy on steep hardpack. If there was anything at all for the skis to bite into the ability to control your speed through varying turnshape was incredible. But I did not have enough trust in the skis to want to open it up anywhere I would want to scrub speed that was not some sort of softish surface. Dust on crust was enough but I did nothing balls to the wall that day, YMMV

a ski buddy rides hojis, seriously a dumb amount of rocker, I would imagine the renegade does not improve upon this

if looking for softsnow performance, look at the 2016 bodacious? maybe cobracommander will chime in

ghosthopI spent a morning demoing them, the conditions for the day did not warrant that much ski, I spent the rest of the day on Steeples and got a pretty good feel for RES

My biggest comment is if these will be a OSQ, I thought that RES was sketchy on steep hardpack. If there was anything at all for the skis to bite into the ability to control your speed through varying turnshape was incredible. But I did not have enough trust in the skis to want to open it up anywhere I would want to scrub speed that was not some sort of softish surface. Dust on crust was enough but I did nothing balls to the wall that day, YMMV

a ski buddy rides hojis, seriously a dumb amount of rocker, I would imagine the renegade does not improve upon this

if looking for softsnow performance, look at the 2016 bodacious? maybe cobracommander will chime in

So why didn't you trust the skis enough to go fast? and overall did you like RES or not

and about the hojis, they don't have nearly as much rocker as a lot of other fat skis

Icelantic Gypsy /thread ;)

stinky_peteSo why didn't you trust the skis enough to go fast? and overall did you like RES or not

I really liked the RES and had no problem trusting it in most conditions, just not on hardpack. It doesn't feel like a super tail rockered ski where you slide out the tails and throw the skis sideways to control speed, for me I noticed I was skiing more in the fall line because I had the confidence to make a controlled turn when needed instead of the skid for life. For ME it allowed for confident, high speed skiing vs. a more centered mounted, heavily tail rockered ski.

The idea that reverse sidecut from the tip through boot center would produce a ride like this makes sense imo. The skis don't hook up with just an ankle roll because there isn't any sidecut to catch. You have to steer the skis for a desired turn radius, but nowhere near the effort that similar skis with a large radius require. Coming from a pair of EHP's this was refreshing.

The only issue is they require you to ski forward. Because of the reverse sidecut, there is not much effective edge through the tip and I did not trust being committed to driving the front of the ski at high speeds on hard steeps. Maybe I need more time to figure them out, but that would be something I would consider if these are to be a OSQ.

fucking rambling on the internet

ghosthopI really liked the RES and had no problem trusting it in most conditions, just not on hardpack. It doesn't feel like a super tail rockered ski where you slide out the tails and throw the skis sideways to control speed, for me I noticed I was skiing more in the fall line because I had the confidence to make a controlled turn when needed instead of the skid for life. For ME it allowed for confident, high speed skiing vs. a more centered mounted, heavily tail rockered ski.

thanks man, definitely looking into bgs more now.