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I am proud to say I do not drink alcohol, but that doesn't go over too well with most people. (Especially in Wisco)
Why is it such an important part of society? It seems as if everything revolves around drinking.
I think chocolate milk is pretty cool. Why don't bars have chocolate milk on tap?
What makes it cool/popular?
Its weird when someone wont have a beer or a drink. Alcohol is an extremely important part of western social interaction. so, someone who completely abstains is either a recovering alcoholic, very religous, or wants you to notice their special little quirk. all three things typically negatives.
If i want to catch up with an old friend i invite him to share a pitcher or a pint, if its a girl a drink.
Its normal. want to be different? thats cool. don't be surprised when you get treated a little different.
californiagrownIts weird when someone wont have a beer or a drink. Alcohol is an extremely important part of western social interaction. so, someone who completely abstains is either a recovering alcoholic, very religous, or wants you to notice their special little quirk. all three things typically negatives.If i want to catch up with an old friend i invite him to share a pitcher or a pint, if its a girl a drink.
Its normal. want to be different? thats cool. don't be surprised when you get treated a little different.
thats like saying its weird someone turns down a cigarette. do you think everyone should smoke so they can catch up with their friends?
plyswthsqrrlsthats like saying its weird someone turns down a cigarette. do you think everyone should smoke so they can catch up with their friends?
smoking isnt socially acceptable anymore.
The big thing, though, is that drinking takes tiime, time with which to hangout and talk. A cig is started and finished in under 5 minutes. you can sip on a pint of beer for 30+ minutes.
californiagrownsmoking isnt socially acceptable anymore.The big thing, though, is that drinking takes tiime, time with which to hangout and talk. A cig is started and finished in under 5 minutes. you can sip on a pint of beer for 30+ minutes.
Don't understand why you have to be drinking beer to catch up with a friend though. That logic seems weird to me, why can't I just sit here with my water / whatever I'm having and engage in the exact same conversation with a friend while they're having a beer / drink? It's not like you're going to get fucked up if you're out trying to catch up with a friend, so what you're both drinking really shouldn't matter, in my opinion
interesting topic though, for sure
plyswthsqrrlsDon't understand why you have to be drinking beer to catch up with a friend though. That logic seems weird to me, why can't I just sit here with my water / whatever I'm having and engage in the exact same conversation with a friend while they're having a beer / drink? It's not like you're going to get fucked up if you're out trying to catch up with a friend, so what you're both drinking really shouldn't matter, in my opinioninteresting topic though, for sure
same reason why if you go out to lunch with a friend, and then proceed to not order anything its fucking weird.
californiagrownsame reason why if you go out to lunch with a friend, and then proceed to not order anything its fucking weird.
How is that the same thing and why is it weird? I can still order something to drink. You have your beer and I have my whatever. We both sit and drink our respective beverage and enjoy catching up/good times/whatever.
saskskierHow is that the same thing and why is it weird? I can still order something to drink. You have your beer and I have my whatever. We both sit and drink our respective beverage and enjoy catching up/good times/whatever.
because in a social situation you want everyone to be on the same page. you dont want to go to a seteakhouse with friends and have the one guy order a small salad as his meal. Yes everyone has their food, but it was weird to order a salad at steakhouse.
Part of having good social skills is knowing how to fit in, adapt to the situation, and create a feeling of belonging. when a person voluntarily makes himself standout its a little weird. You would be highlighting a difference, instead of a similarity. You want to be around people who are similar to you- its a comforting thing.
Differences that you do not admire, do not build good rapport.
butterslut.i don't understand either. being buzzed is fun sometimes i guess, but when your life intentions are to get yourself to hurl up everything you've eaten in the past ten years you should probably go get help.
I dont think anyone goes into drinking with the intention of this. This is the problem with this thread, "drinking" can mean having a drink when you are 30 with a friend, or pounding back liquor to get shitfaced.
californiagrownbecause in a social situation you want everyone to be on the same page. you dont want to go to a seteakhouse with friends and have the one guy order a small salad as his meal. Yes everyone has their food, but it was weird to order a salad at steakhouse.Part of having good social skills is knowing how to fit in, adapt to the situation, and create a feeling of belonging. when a person voluntarily makes himself standout its a little weird. You would be highlighting a difference, instead of a similarity. You want to be around people who are similar to you- its a comforting thing.
Differences that you do not admire, do not build good rapport.
In roughly 15 years of being around people who do/don't drink (just turned 30), I don't think I've once found it to be an issue.
Everyone has their reasons to drink or not drink. It's only as big a deal as you choose to make it.
californiagrownbecause in a social situation you want everyone to be on the same page. you dont want to go to a seteakhouse with friends and have the one guy order a small salad as his meal. Yes everyone has their food, but it was weird to order a salad at steakhouse.Part of having good social skills is knowing how to fit in, adapt to the situation, and create a feeling of belonging. when a person voluntarily makes himself standout its a little weird. You would be highlighting a difference, instead of a similarity. You want to be around people who are similar to you- its a comforting thing.
Differences that you do not admire, do not build good rapport.
So, then what you're really saying is, if you're standing outside having a conversation with a bunch of people who are smoking cigarettes, then you are socially obligated to smoke...
It's the exact same argument with the same parameters, the ONLY difference being that one of those two things is "more" socially acceptable than the other. Both are perfectly legal to do if you're of age, so if your main goal really is to "fit in" or to "belong" then you're gonna have to smoke
I call bullshit on that, no one would force someone to have a cigarette or think them weird for declining one, it's the exact same with alcohol. Different people react in strange ways to stimulants, and frankly it really isn't anyone's business to ask why they're abstaining
saskskierIn roughly 15 years of being around people who do/don't drink (just turned 30), I don't think I've once found it to be an issue.Everyone has their reasons to drink or not drink. It's only as big a deal as you choose to make it.
Completely agree. For me, its about as big of an issue as if they had really shitty fashion sense. Its weird, but by no means something close to a deal breaker as long as theyre cool people haha.
But to not understand why it comes off as weird, blows my mind. Its really basic social psychology.
plyswthsqrrlsSo, then what you're really saying is, if you're standing outside having a conversation with a bunch of people who are smoking cigarettes, then you are socially obligated to smoke...It's the exact same argument with the same parameters, the ONLY difference being that one of those two things is "more" socially acceptable than the other. Both are perfectly legal to do if you're of age, so if your main goal really is to "fit in" or to "belong" then you're gonna have to smoke
I call bullshit on that, no one would force someone to have a cigarette or think them weird for declining one, it's the exact same with alcohol. Different people react in strange ways to stimulants, and frankly it really isn't anyone's business to ask why they're abstaining
yeah, it would be a little weird not to smoke. doesnt mean you have to, but you will feel like an outsider in that particular situation.
Why is this such a difficult thing to understand? its basic psychology.
californiagrownBut to not understand why it comes off as weird, blows my mind. Its really basic social psychology.
I think I agree, if i met up with an old friend at the bar or even anywhere that serves and i ordered a beer for myself and he had a water I would feel a little awkward at the start forsure.
californiagrownCompletely agree. For me, its about as big of an issue as if they had really shitty fashion sense. Its weird, but by no means something close to a deal breaker as long as theyre cool people haha.But to not understand why it comes off as weird, blows my mind. Its really basic social psychology.
I think the reason I don't think it comes across as weird is because everyone has their own personal taste in pretty much everything (food, clothes, music, activities, vehicles, women, whatever) and this isn't any different.
If I can go out for dinner with friends who order steak, vegetarian and gluten free meals and not think anyone is weird, why can't I go out with some people who drink and some people who don't without thinking it's weird?
saskskierI think the reason I don't think it comes across as weird is because everyone has their own personal taste in pretty much everything (food, clothes, music, activities, vehicles, women, whatever) and this isn't any different.If I can go out for dinner with friends who order steak, vegetarian and gluten free meals and not think anyone is weird, why can't I go out with some people who drink and some people who don't without thinking it's weird?
When you say go out, you do mean a bar, correct? you dont understand why its a little weird for someone at a bar... to not have a drink?
Do you think its a little weird when some dude is in the squat rack wearing chinos and a polo shirt? Still might be a cool dude, who is strong as a bull. But it'd be a little weird.
californiagrownWhen you say go out, you do mean a bar, correct? you dont understand why its a little weird for someone at a bar... to not have a drink?Do you think its a little weird when some dude is in the squat rack wearing chinos and a polo shirt? Still might be a cool dude, who is strong as a bull. But it'd be a little weird.
I guess I see where you're coming from.
At the end of the day, I stopped caring whether people think it's weird I don't drink a long time ago. I don't make a big deal of it and it's never turned into an issue. Friends can drink, I'm the dd and everyone wins.
californiagrownyeah, it would be a little weird not to smoke. doesnt mean you have to, but you will feel like an outsider in that particular situation.Why is this such a difficult thing to understand? its basic psychology.
But I (and many others I'm sure) have been in that situation and I never felt like an outsider. As long as I'm not standing around being all like 'you know guys you really shouldn't smoke its so bad for you you should quit and be like me" no one gives two shits. It's all about how you handle it, which is kind of what others are getting at as well. As long as you just roll with it, it's all good, no awkwardness
saskskierI guess I see where you're coming from.At the end of the day, I stopped caring whether people think it's weird I don't drink a long time ago. I don't make a big deal of it and it's never turned into an issue. Friends can drink, I'm the dd and everyone wins.
always do you. if its an issue with the people you hang out with... maybe you shouldnt be hanging out with them ya know.
i wear some weird shirts every now and then cause i like them. I usually get a chukcle and eye roll, and thats the end of it. no ones tripping. But i dont expect people to not think my fashion choices arent weird.
californiagrownIts weird when someone wont have a beer or a drink. Alcohol is an extremely important part of western social interaction. so, someone who completely abstains is either a recovering alcoholic, very religous, or wants you to notice their special little quirk. all three things typically negatives.If i want to catch up with an old friend i invite him to share a pitcher or a pint, if its a girl a drink.
Its normal. want to be different? thats cool. don't be surprised when you get treated a little different.
It's probably different for OP.
Drinking as a mature adult implies a variety of things. You could be catching up with friends, discussing plans with coworkers, at a family gathering, etc.
I'm guessing OP is underage. Where drinking means going out late at night, getting whatever alcohol you can, and consuming all of it that night.
A mature adult says to you: "let's go drinking". Translation: "let's go get a couple beers, we will most likely not get drunk".
A teenager says to you: "let's go drinking". Translation: "let's go drink until we have a BAC of .3"
Chupa_ChupsIt's probably different for OP.Drinking as a mature adult implies a variety of things. You could be catching up with friends, discussing plans with coworkers, at a family gathering, etc.
I'm guessing OP is underage. Where drinking means going out late at night, getting whatever alcohol you can, and consuming all of it that night.
A mature adult says to you: "let's go drinking". Translation: "let's go get a couple beers, we will most likely not get drunk".
A teenager says to you: "let's go drinking". Translation: "let's go drink until we have a BAC of .3"
I don't see the appeal in the former to be honest.
i feel you op.
honestly, the older you get, the less it will matter.
the only "bitches" are the robots trying to be just like everyone else to fit in and be accepted.
and you shouldnt have to at all, but if it bugs you that much, just tell people you cant drink for medical reasons.
most people wont say a single thing after that.
and if they do, tell them youre on medication to stop swelling from penis reduction surgery (straight face game has to be on point doe).
and if they dont believe you, whip it out and slap them with it.
and if they have already seen it then you gay broo.
It's not that you don't drink, it how you tell people
"Hey buddy want a beer"
"No, my parents were alcoholics and I saw drinking ruin there lives so I don't drink..... Oh you go ahead though"
Vs
"Hey buddy want a beer"
"Naw I'm good"
One you are being a fucking buzzkill, bragging, and giving your entire life story to somebody that doesn't give a shit, the other you are just answering their question
cool_nameIt's not that you don't drink, it how you tell people"Hey buddy want a beer"
"No, my parents were alcoholics and I saw drinking ruin there lives so I don't drink..... Oh you go ahead though"
Vs
"Hey buddy want a beer"
"Naw I'm good"
One you are being a fucking buzzkill, bragging, and giving your entire life story to somebody that doesn't give a shit, the other you are just answering their question
I agree with you 100% but there were times where after saying no thank(to smoking), people had a hard time accepting it. I used to always be asked why I didn't want to, or if I had a problem with it. So sometimes it really is the other person who gets defensive over your decision.
And judging by the fact that OP said it was a specific group of people who give him shit, I wanna say that could be the case for him too.
cool_nameIt's not that you don't drink, it how you tell people"Hey buddy want a beer"
"No, my parents were alcoholics and I saw drinking ruin there lives so I don't drink..... Oh you go ahead though"
Vs
"Hey buddy want a beer"
"Naw I'm good"
One you are being a fucking buzzkill, bragging, and giving your entire life story to somebody that doesn't give a shit, the other you are just answering their question
Nah, I say " No thanksm bad head injury". I I just said no there's the "come on man...." or whatever else. For weed sometimes I just tell people I get tested because it's easier than explaining everything every time somebody offers me some greens.
yungmoneySorry I'm not like a 40 year old dad who has "a few beers after work"
Oh yeah, I forgot you cant post much of a beeramid on instragram to show your friends how hella wasted you're getting unless you have copious amounts of natty ice ready to go.
Too cool for school.(disclaimer because actually attending school at the moment but still super duper fucking cool)
TheHornyOrphanI dont think anyone goes into drinking with the intention of this. This is the problem with this thread, "drinking" can mean having a drink when you are 30 with a friend, or pounding back liquor to get shitfaced.
i definitely know people who are ready to go out to get black out drunk. like how do you not intentionally decide to have another drink? at some point in the night you already knew you were super drunk but you decided to have another one.
yungmoneyAbosulutely it does! But why stop at 3 or 4?
because:
hangover
can't drive
sloppy
not witty anymore
stops enhancing starts dulling
gets expensive
unhealthy
have to pee a lot
butterslut.beer is disgusting tho. how does anyone even think that nasty poisonous fermented plant water is good?
I understand youre tongue in cheek, but why do i think vagina is fucking awesome, and you think cock and balls are just dandy? IDK. From a logical standpoint both are fucking nasty. But all i do know is that i really like vagina... and beer.
yungmoneyAbosulutely it does! But why stop at 3 or 4?
You'll figure this one out on your own when you get older.
butterslut.beer is disgusting tho. how does anyone even think that nasty poisonous fermented plant water is good?
"That's just, like, your opinion, (wo)man" ...that said, I had a beer on Saturday night after drinking only wine and champagne and it gave me the hiccups immediately. I had to struggle to finish it.
Ultimately it's all about enjoying yourself, and people should to do that however they want. It's my personal opinion that drinking is great and facilitates awesome experiences with friends.
I'll admit it, I can be a bit of a peer pressurer. Not in the sense that I'm going to call you lame if you don't drink; you can do whatever you want and if you're cool, we can be friends. However, I find that when my friends and I get drunk, funny stuff happens and everyone has a good time. In my experience, even if people are a little hesitant about going ham, they almost always make memories that they look back on with a smile or a high five or a laugh, even if at the time it's not exactly where you want to be. I think people end up being proud of memories and experiences like that because our generation typically regards those things as 'cool' or 'legit' so if you've done them, you feel like you stack up. I'm always the one who brings extra beer and booze to parties, planning to make it disappear for the good of the rage.
I know that I wouldn't have had the same level of fun in undergrad if I hadn't drank. I had some wild nights - not hookers and blow wild, just weird fun with my friends. Our group of about 10 friends would drink all night and then my roommate would inevitably start putting on the ballads. I'm talking Phil Collins, Steve Winwood, Elton John. We'd stand on furniture and belt out the lyrics, often banging pots and pans along with the songs. "BRING ME A HIGHER LOVE, DOO DO DOO DO DOOOO!" I'm not an idiot, but it was most definitely idiotic fun and made for some of the best memories I've made to date.
I think drinking (and most experimentation in life) is worth a try. If you try it with fun and supportive friends and don't like it, fine, do you. If you can get weird and rage without booze, more power to ya! But often with things like this, they take time to grow on you. You could try it once, but statistically that doesn't give you a very good chance of having an amazing night, at least enough so to get you to do it again.
I just like trying things. Life is about experiences, and you'll never really know about something unless you experience it. Obviously some people have compelling reasons for not drinking - the bad experiences of others close to them, disease and addiction, etc. It's also my opinion that people under the age of 18 shouldn't binge drink - it's not good for the developing brain. However, I think going through life saying "I just don't really see the appeal" to everything (including drinking) will lead to a boring existence if you've never tried it yourself.
I hope that came out right. I'm tired so I don't know if I communicated that well. Bottom line is to each their own, but IMO it's worth the experience to at least give most things a good ol' college try.
mirozYou'll figure this one out on your own when you get older."That's just, like, your opinion, (wo)man" ...that said, I had a beer on Saturday night after drinking only wine and champagne and it gave me the hiccups immediately. I had to struggle to finish it.
Ultimately it's all about enjoying yourself, and people should to do that however they want. It's my personal opinion that drinking is great and facilitates awesome experiences with friends.
I'll admit it, I can be a bit of a peer pressurer. Not in the sense that I'm going to call you lame if you don't drink; you can do whatever you want and if you're cool, we can be friends. However, I find that when my friends and I get drunk, funny stuff happens and everyone has a good time. In my experience, even if people are a little hesitant about going ham, they almost always make memories that they look back on with a smile or a high five or a laugh, even if at the time it's not exactly where you want to be. I think people end up being proud of memories and experiences like that because our generation typically regards those things as 'cool' or 'legit' so if you've done them, you feel like you stack up. I'm always the one who brings extra beer and booze to parties, planning to make it disappear for the good of the rage.
I know that I wouldn't have had the same level of fun in undergrad if I hadn't drank. I had some wild nights - not hookers and blow wild, just weird fun with my friends. Our group of about 10 friends would drink all night and then my roommate would inevitably start putting on the ballads. I'm talking Phil Collins, Steve Winwood, Elton John. We'd stand on furniture and belt out the lyrics, often banging pots and pans along with the songs. "BRING ME A HIGHER LOVE, DOO DO DOO DO DOOOO!" I'm not an idiot, but it was most definitely idiotic fun and made for some of the best memories I've made to date.
I think drinking (and most experimentation in life) is worth a try. If you try it with fun and supportive friends and don't like it, fine, do you. If you can get weird and rage without booze, more power to ya! But often with things like this, they take time to grow on you. You could try it once, but statistically that doesn't give you a very good chance of having an amazing night, at least enough so to get you to do it again.
I just like trying things. Life is about experiences, and you'll never really know about something unless you experience it. Obviously some people have compelling reasons for not drinking - the bad experiences of others close to them, disease and addiction, etc. It's also my opinion that people under the age of 18 shouldn't binge drink - it's not good for the developing brain. However, I think going through life saying "I just don't really see the appeal" to everything (including drinking) will lead to a boring existence if you've never tried it yourself.
I hope that came out right. I'm tired so I don't know if I communicated that well. Bottom line is to each their own, but IMO it's worth the experience to at least give most things a good ol' college try.
Fucking this. Well said.
mirozI think drinking (and most experimentation in life) is worth a try. If you try it with fun and supportive friends and don't like it, fine, do you. If you can get weird and rage without booze, more power to ya! But often with things like this, they take time to grow on you. You could try it once, but statistically that doesn't give you a very good chance of having an amazing night, at least enough so to get you to do it again.I just like trying things. Life is about experiences, and you'll never really know about something unless you experience it. Obviously some people have compelling reasons for not drinking - the bad experiences of others close to them, disease and addiction, etc. It's also my opinion that people under the age of 18 shouldn't binge drink - it's not good for the developing brain. However, I think going through life saying "I just don't really see the appeal" to everything (including drinking) will lead to a boring existence if you've never tried it yourself.
So well said, OP if you should listen to anyone, this would be it. To be honest, I don't think there are a lot of people out there who genuinely believe that if you don't drink you're a "gay fucking pussy bro get on my level"-- they just like people who are down to have fun and are open-minded at least on some level, so as long as you're rad regardless and not a prick about it, then fuck anyone who gives you shit for it. But like he just said, you shouldn't think about drinking as a sloppy time that you'll never remember and feel like shit about in the morning, think of it as a jolly ass time that could create some of the best nights of your life by lowering you and your friends' inhibitions even by just a little bit. Peace.
If a man can't casually drink a beer with friends it coworkers there is usually something wrong with him. I know a few guys that don't drink, its usually because after their 7th DUI they found court mandated Jesus or something. Its great that they finally learned they can't handle alcohol, but it is a character flaw none the less.
I try to drink enough coffee that I get high. It's similar to cocaine but the high is longer. Last time I was at starbucks I told them to fill a venti cup with only espresso, people behind me were pissed but I said "hey, a caff-head gotta do what a caff-head gotta do, BOTTOMS UP!" As I swiftly consumed 24oz of blood sweat and tears from columbian children I waited for it to hit me. 1 second, 2 seconds, 3 seconds, 10 seconds, 20 sec-BAAAAAZINGGGAAA HHHJJKKKFFFLIIII420IEJUUUGNNFUCKINGSHAIHSDIHSHITHASKDJNIGGAJASDU69FNE DIDYOUKNOWTHATASUE666ASHD911ISALIEANJASDFBUSHDIDITNASDFJK ANDTHEUBUJETFUELCANTMELTSTEELBEAMSJAUSDFJASDFJOIAIIDFBH
After an hour of John's nonsensical messages he steals all the iPhones in the starbucks and makes a bed out of them so he can safely come down off of his high.