*DUMBCAN*Here in England the choices go something like:

Labour (right)

Liberal Democrats (bit further right)

Conservative (even further right)

UKIP (pretty much fascism)

There's also the greens, a slightly left wing party that only 21 year old pseudo-politicals seem to like. They have no track record, their leader is escaping criminal charges for something because of some sorta political immunity, and the only town they have is Brighton (think of it as the Portland of the UK).

Sorry DUMBCAN, but it seems you've rather over egged this one. In reality it looks more like this:

Sin Feinn - Far Left

Green Party - Left

SNP - Left

Plaid Cymru - Centre-left

Labour - Centre-left

Lib Dems - Pretty much holding fast in the centre, although occasionally veering Centre-left

Conservatives - Centre-right

UKIP - Right

BNP - Far Right

I fleshed out your list a little so the tags 'left', 'centre' and 'right' had some context.

VD.Sorry DUMBCAN, but it seems you've rather over egged this one. In reality it looks more like this:

Sin Feinn - Far Left

Green Party - Left

SNP - Left

Plaid Cymru - Centre-left

Labour - Centre-left

Lib Dems - Pretty much holding fast in the centre, although occasionally veering Centre-left

Conservatives - Centre-right

UKIP - Right

BNP - Far Right

I fleshed out your list a little so the tags 'left', 'centre' and 'right' had some context.

I only included national parties, so no Sin Feinn, SNP or Plaid Cymru. BNP are irrelevant these days, but most of their policies are actually centre leaning right. We don't decide a parties political position based on their immigration policy.

Labour (and Lib Dems) are right wing these days (pro-austerity, pro-privatisation). If you re-zero based on the average of the main three then they're left-er than lib dems or conservative, but they're definitely right of what you'd call centre.

*DUMBCAN*BNP are irrelevant these days, but most of their policies are actually centre leaning right.

I can see how that could be argued, Nick Griffin's approach was becoming more populist in his last months. However since he's now been expelled from the party it's hard to say what direction the part will take.

Although I would still argue that swathes of their 2010 manifesto could be classed as neo-fascist.

SFBhi, hows middles school going big guy.

Actually, I am a junior in College. There is a big misconception about Anarchy having no government, purge-like, and mass chaos when it is in fact self-governing. Self-governing being the idea of small community governments. A true democracy can be achieved through anarchy. If you want to look at an example of an anarchist community, take a look at Christiania, Copenhagen

If you ask me, we are naturally heading towards a self-governing system through the advancement of technology.

UtardI'm a libertarian socialist

There are liberals then there are libertarians. Liberals are left wing while libertarians are free-market/ anti-big government. Libertarians basically focus on mans material needs and money.

Socialist is pro-government and giving, while libertarian is pro-business hence the free market. I would recommend you read Ludwig von Mises "Liberalism" to fully understand what true liberalism is, not today's left wing liberalism. ( https://www.mises.org/library/liberalism-classical-tradition )

ABdrummerSo you hate the state and want to replace it with the state. Explain.

Sean.There are liberals then there are libertarians. Liberals are left wing while libertarians are free-market/ anti-big government. Libertarians basically focus on mans material needs and money.

Socialist is pro-government and giving, while libertarian is pro-business hence the free market. I would recommend you read Ludwig von Mises "Liberalism" to fully understand what true liberalism is, not today's left wing liberalism. ( https://www.mises.org/library/liberalism-classical-tradition )

Couple of things that need to be cleared up:

Libertarianism (as used in political philosophy and everywhere except the US) =/= anti-state, pro-laissez-faire capitalism, pro-business

Socialism =/= pro-government or state (necessarily)

Libertarianism is a political philosophy that falls under the heading of liberalism in general and holds individual liberty to be the goal of political organization. The hardcore laissez-faire types we have in the US are only one particular breed of libertarians. Left-libertarianism is a real political philosophy, and it's a shame that in the US the term has become synonymous with Tea Party types. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism)

Socialism is an economic arrangement where workers own the means of production rather than capitalists or authoritarians. This can be accomplished either with state ownership of the means of production as long as the state is itself a democracy, or by having the workers in each industry directly owning the means of production, for example by trade union as advocated by anarcho-syndicalists.

I'm a libertarian in that I think that the main goal of political organization should be to protect the freedoms of individuals and so I'm skeptical of any concentration of power for its potential to limit the freedom and autonomy of individuals. One such concentration of power that has the potential to limit the freedom and autonomy of individuals is capital accumulation. Therefore, I am against capitalism and pro socialized ownership of the means of production. But I'm also skeptical of economic power concentrated in the state for the same reason, and so I think that the individual workers at each industry should directly control the means of production. That's how I can say I'm a libertarian socialist. I'm also an equalitarian and pro-government protection against things that can harm individual autonomy. That's why I'm also a state-socialist about certain things like healthcare and education.

You should read Baruch Spinoza, Immanuel Kant, John Stuart Mill, John Dewey Bertrand Russell, John Maynard Keynes, Karl Popper, and John Rawls to fully understand what true liberalism is and see that liberal political philosophy didn't end with Locke, Jefferson, and Franklin.

I vote for the let's party

UtardCouple of things that need to be cleared up:

Libertarianism (as used in political philosophy and everywhere except the US) =/= anti-state, pro-laissez-faire capitalism, pro-business

Socialism =/= pro-government or state (necessarily)

Libertarianism is a political philosophy that falls under the heading of liberalism in general and holds individual liberty to be the goal of political organization. The hardcore laissez-faire types we have in the US are only one particular breed of libertarians. Left-libertarianism is a real political philosophy, and it's a shame that in the US the term has become synonymous with Tea Party types. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism)

Socialism is an economic arrangement where workers own the means of production rather than capitalists or authoritarians. This can be accomplished either with state ownership of the means of production as long as the state is itself a democracy, or by having the workers in each industry directly owning the means of production, for example by trade union as advocated by anarcho-syndicalists.

I'm a libertarian in that I think that the main goal of political organization should be to protect the freedoms of individuals and so I'm skeptical of any concentration of power for its potential to limit the freedom and autonomy of individuals. One such concentration of power that has the potential to limit the freedom and autonomy of individuals is capital accumulation. Therefore, I am against capitalism and pro socialized ownership of the means of production. But I'm also skeptical of economic power concentrated in the state for the same reason, and so I think that the individual workers at each industry should directly control the means of production. That's how I can say I'm a libertarian socialist. I'm also an equalitarian and pro-government protection against things that can harm individual autonomy. That's why I'm also a state-socialist about certain things like healthcare and education.

You should read Baruch Spinoza, Immanuel Kant, John Stuart Mill, John Dewey Bertrand Russell, John Maynard Keynes, Karl Popper, and John Rawls to fully understand what true liberalism is and see that liberal political philosophy didn't end with Locke, Jefferson, and Franklin.

Well slap my titties and call me fancy.... you have a lot of extra time on your hands.

I don't allign with any particular politcal party, I am for small government, small businesses, freedom, equal rights, and justice. I guess you could call me conservative, but that is a statement that can be blown out of the water real quick, I mean it in the sense that I am to young to vote, I believe that saving resources and money is a good thing, big governmen and redistribution of wealth are bad things.

I guess I would vote for whatever party supports my ideals best. Besides, the republicans and democrats can't figure their shit out and each one is pointing the finger at the other.