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How is there no thread on this yet? Apparently some pretty nasty interrogation techniques were used against terror suspects without positive results following 9/11 and then they lied about these results to the White House.
Please never link CNN to any news you share with us on here ever again. There is enough bias on here already we don't need the source to contribute to that..
Yeah I'm not understanding it either. I think the bigger surprise is almost how stereotypical and predictable their forms of torture could be. Like, water boarding, telling the detainees they were going to fuck their mothers, telling them they would most certainly leave in a coffin shaped box, making them stay awake in a cold dark room with loud music... I think the only surprising thing was blending up food and shoving it up their ass, but shit even that's probably a typical Tuesday night for some people.
These fuckers kill and behead American citizens and would do incomparable things if roles were switched, and now people get all pissy when they found out a little water was poured on their heads? Fuck them, long live 'murica
SPskier543These fuckers kill and behead American citizens and would do incomparable things if roles were switched, and now people get all pissy when they found out a little water was poured on their heads? Fuck them, long live 'murica
I feel the same way, the people we are fighting over there dont use a Geneva convention. do not follow the rules of war. they would do a lot worse to us and they have.
Those know to be withholding information should have had a finger cut off with a knife coated with nitric acid and be waterboarded every time they refused to answer a question. The world is a cruel place and saying that it is inhumane to treat someone in such a way that wouldn't think twice about doing it to you is idiotic. How do you think Americans we treated in Viet Cong POW camps? I bet a hell of a lot worse than Vietnamese were treated under the Americans. We can not try to be a "role model" and limit our tactics on getting what we need as a country. The world is a cruel place, and those who oppose that fact don't get very far, adapt or die.
As for her releasing that information I am 100% against it. There are certain things that we the public do not need to know for are own good and for the safety of our service and ex service members
I started this thread to get some discussion going. I'm not at all surprised that these things were happening, but kind of surprised the CIA admitted it and that it didn't get any results. I mean do what you need to do, but if it's not working, figure out a way that will.
Also, I saw this earlier today. Not necessarily related to interrogation tactics, but definitely related to hostage negotiation tactics. Don't mess with the Russians:
After trying peaceful negotiations:
"KGB agents ran the name of a prominent Hezbollah leader through their computers and came up with the name and address of one of his closest blood relatives. They then kidnapped the kinsman, castrated him, and sent his severed organs to the Hezbollah honcho.
The package was accompanied by a terse cover note indicating that the KGB had the names of other close relatives and that Hezbollah could expect more such deliveries unless the three remaining hostages were freed forthwith.
It didn't take much time for Hezbollah to realize it was dealing with a different breed of "Great Satan." The three surviving hostages were dropped off only 150 yards from the Soviet Embassy from a late-model BMW that couldn't drive away fast enough."
By any means necessary. Do whatever we have to do to protect our freedom. "Murica fuck yea" blah blah, I don't care if that sounds stereotypical, its fuckin true.
I personally don't think I could ever do any of those torture methods to someone. I don't think I have the training or capacity to do that. But I'm happy that someone out there is able to and does do it. Kill em all. They would kill us all if they had the chance. You're ignorant if you think otherwise.
.RYAN66I feel the same way, the people we are fighting over there dont use a Geneva convention. do not follow the rules of war. they would do a lot worse to us and they have.
What is America fighting for if we become terrorists? Additionally do you understand what this does to American troops? Even beyond the obvious backlash and anti-American feelings that are spread and lead to more terrorism. I mean the actual effect that carrying out these orders had on the often unwilling torturers. Terrible
I am impressed with American officials for at least being more open about the actions, however horrific, many governments simply hide and deny.
Ps - the term alleged terrorist is more accurate for most of these cases as those being detained clearly didn't have due process. We sure do like to label "the other" and dehumanize them with terms like terrorist
What is America fighting for if we become terrorists? Additionally do you understand what this does to American troops? Even beyond the obvious backlash and anti-American feelings that are spread and lead to more terrorism. I mean the actual effect that carrying out these orders had on the often unwilling torturers. Terrible
I am impressed with American officials for at least being more open about the actions, however horrific, many governments simply hide and deny.
Ps - the term alleged terrorist is more accurate for most of these cases as those being detained clearly didn't have due process. We sure do like to label "the other" and dehumanize them with terms like terrorist
What is America fighting for if we become terrorists? Additionally do you understand what this does to American troops? Even beyond the obvious backlash and anti-American feelings that are spread and lead to more terrorism. I mean the actual effect that carrying out these orders had on the often unwilling torturers. Terrible
I am impressed with American officials for at least being more open about the actions, however horrific, many governments simply hide and deny.
Ps - the term alleged terrorist is more accurate for most of these cases as those being detained clearly didn't have due process. We sure do like to label "the other" and dehumanize them with terms like terrorist
You kids are lucky. When you see such news all you think is 'bad guys got hurt to save good people', and from this understanding of the situation, of course your reactions seem completely appropriate and legitimate.
But if you think this is about terrorists being hurt, then I'm afraid you are completely missing the point.
ASkierNamedJaymzWhat is America fighting for if we become terrorists? Additionally do you understand what this does to American troops? Even beyond the obvious backlash and anti-American feelings that are spread and lead to more terrorism. I mean the actual effect that carrying out these orders had on the often unwilling torturers. Terrible
I am impressed with American officials for at least being more open about the actions, however horrific, many governments simply hide and deny.
Ps - the term alleged terrorist is more accurate for most of these cases as those being detained clearly didn't have due process. We sure do like to label "the other" and dehumanize them with terms like terrorist
Just because they would do the same thing to us if the roles were switched doesn't make it right. Torture is fucked up no matter who the recipient is and so is the person performing it. That being said I am not surprised by this at all and it will probably never change.
TOAST.Just because they would do the same thing to us if the roles were switched doesn't make it right. Torture is fucked up no matter who the recipient is and so is the person performing it. That being said I am not surprised by this at all and it will probably never change.
But they would torture our troops just for the hell of it. At least we have a reason. And our "torture" is a fucking walk in the park compared to what they do.
Moon_ShoesAnd our "torture" is a fucking walk in the park compared to what they do.
honestly i'd rather have a smoothie up my ass than my head getting cut off with a rusty blade on al jazeera. anyone who says our torture techniques are absurd must not realize that those people do things that are inexplicably inhumane to say the least to our troops.
Moon_ShoesAnd our "torture" is a fucking walk in the park compared to what they do.
honestly i'd rather have a smoothie up my ass than my head getting cut off with a rusty blade on al jazeera. anyone who says our torture techniques are absurd must not realize that those people do things that are inexplicably inhumane to say the least to our troops.
Turd.Fergusonhonestly i'd rather have a smoothie up my ass than my head getting cut off with a rusty blade on al jazeera. anyone who says our torture techniques are absurd must not realize that those people do things that are inexplicably inhumane to say the least to our troops.
america hurp derp
Really though. This sounds like a fucking frat initiation not a torture session.
If America really is this beacon of hope in a deteriorating world shouldnt they alone be the ones who are practicing what they are advocating?
Yah these people organized the largest mass civilian casualty event in American history, and I get that this is really important to Americans because of the amazing job your government has done at convincing you that this was the most evil act ever perpetrated against any humans ever, so I can understand why you have completely forgotten that these are people as well. Putting them in a box the size of a mini fridge, doing fake executions, drowning them to near death, attacking them mentally and sexually, and holding them without any charges or the slightest chance that they will ever see a fair trial, just makes them hate Americans more. This just goes to show why "the global force for democracy" as your military ads say, is not at all a global force of democracy but a global force of imperialism and destruction who is only just barely holding onto any global dominance they once had.
.frenchyWe become terrorists to the terrorists? OH NO!!!!
And i'm pretty sure some people wouldn't mind waterboarding high level terrorists. It's to save damn American lives your ignorant shithead.
okay, so you don't object to torture on a moral basis. hard to understand, but i'll set it aside cause that argument obv won't lead anywhere
you also don't care that they've even admitted that torture didn't lead to the OBL raid? and commonly produces misinformation? and that innocent and/or uncharged people have been tortured and killed? and that the CIA hacked into the SENATE's files to try to obstruct the report coming out?
do you even care that this kind of shit only gains terrorists more recruits?
this thread is seriously shocking, i really can't believe how many of you are shrugging your shoulders at this. pathetic
I'm all for torturing terrorists, but you need to give them a fair trial first. If the government can just pick up anybody off the street and torture him without proof of misdoing, what's stopping them from doing the same to you or me?
RubberSoulokay, so you don't object to torture on a moral basis. hard to understand, but i'll set it aside cause that argument obv won't lead anywhere
you also don't care that they've even admitted that torture didn't lead to the OBL raid? and commonly produces misinformation? and that innocent and/or uncharged people have been tortured and killed? and that the CIA hacked into the SENATE's files to try to obstruct the report coming out?
do you even care that this kind of shit only gains terrorists more recruits?
this thread is seriously shocking, i really can't believe how many of you are shrugging your shoulders at this. pathetic
Really your going to have a moral compass with terrorists? People who openly hate and celebrate the death of US citizens. They video live beheadings and post it on the internet. They are savages. We can't show them any form of respect. We get the info however it takes (torture or not), and after that they are useless.
You guys are some fucked up motherfuckers. The only thing that gives me hope is the fact that most of you are probably between 14 and 19 years of age but still, if you can't see why torture is wrong by now then all I can say is it's pretty clear that we've got a serious moral crisis going on in the US.
There's also the fact that torture is against both domestic and international law. Given the amount that some of the exact same people in this thread were bitching about "law-breaking" with the Ferguson and related events, you'd think that NS would be up in arms about this systematic violation of human rights and legal code by fucking agents of the law itself.
I challenge any one of you who supports state-sanctioned torture to show me a single example of torture by US agents in the "War on Terror" that produced unique, reliable, and actionable information that was used to save lives.
SPskier543These fuckers kill and behead American citizens and would do incomparable things if roles were switched, and now people get all pissy when they found out a little water was poured on their heads? Fuck them, long live 'murica
Except most of those fuckers were detained for simple things such as interacting with a known terrorist or family members of a suspected terrorist. People like you who support this and CIA black sites are completely ignorant to how easy it is to be sent to one of these camps. If you're innocent which a majority of the prisoners are turning out to be, tough luck. You can't do anything.
Yes, that sounds just like America and the founding principles it was founded on.
Who would of thought the people hating are mega lib-tards and Canadians.... Hahahahaha.
Waaaaaah cry more, I hope we pick up some more of these fuckers from the sand dunes they live in and baptize em through some good old fashion water boardin'. It's the American way!
Feinstein is just throwing a fit because Dems got completely wrecked this election, she's a traitor and a rat. When lives of Americans are at stake, I don't care what we do.
And don't forget about the 3,000+ lives that were lost on September 11 as some were "tortured" with the decision of burning to death or jumping to their death to avoid the pain of being burned alive. I don't give a shit that some terrorist scum went through some pain.
Those know to be withholding information should have had a finger cut off with a knife coated with nitric acid and be waterboarded every time they refused to answer a question. The world is a cruel place and saying that it is inhumane to treat someone in such a way that wouldn't think twice about doing it to you is idiotic. How do you think Americans we treated in Viet Cong POW camps? I bet a hell of a lot worse than Vietnamese were treated under the Americans. We can not try to be a "role model" and limit our tactics on getting what we need as a country. The world is a cruel place, and those who oppose that fact don't get very far, adapt or die.
As for her releasing that information I am 100% against it. There are certain things that we the public do not need to know for are own good and for the safety of our service and ex service members
I'll just use common sense....
Did you happen to read any article in the past 5 years relating to this matter? If you did, you would have read that torture is not a viable way to get information. That was proven, over and over again. People like you who feel that barbaric acts in history are a justification to keep committing such acts with no factual basis to do so are, in short, fucking morons.
Who needs to give them a trial? Its not like weve ever killed or tortured civilians ever. But 9/11 terrorism 9/11 terrorism red white and blue!
Also what it comes down to is that innocent or guilty these are people we dont consider to be humans. We cant wrap our heads around the fact that anyone hates or doesnt love america. Im not talking about only alleged terrorists but also the every day civilian over there.
In truth many of us are hardened racist motherfuckers. But freedom and stuff.
I guess if you hear" we're thr best in the world and everyone else is garbage" enough it becomes a fact.
Also on this issue you gotta love the global propaganda wagon these days. "Americas navy a global force for good". Shit like that.
There seems to be some confusion as well. Supporting freedom, not torturing people and not being douche bags does not equal hating america. In terms of the all too common sentiment of " if you hate america so much why dont you g g git out!". I like thiscountry a lot but theres a difference between loving america and being xenophobic assholes.
Idk. Some of the shit ive heard people say on the subject is just fucked.
Id post a few hundred videos of muslim extremists beheading civilians but its not worth the ban.
Rather be tortured under the american chain of command in a world class facility then in some cave naked and cold with my parents threatened daily, forcing me to make videos swearing allegiance to them