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I learned backflips off of docks at the start of summer and im super comfortable with them so i wanna start laying them out but no matter what i do i cant seem to figure it out. Ive tried increasing the hight or just hucking my chest back harder but no matter what i do i cant seem to get my legs trailing behind my body. Ill post a vid later of what im gunna start practicing off because it feels like a good height. Anyways what are some tips for laying out flips in general?
If that doesn't help, try throw with your neck/upper back while streching out your belly, and bringing up your legs behind you. Though I recommend you to do like in the video.
Never done it on skis, but ive done hundreds on a tramp.
Lead with your hips,not your head. Try to bend just your knees and keep the rest of your body pretty straight while flipping. Dont throw your arms up over your head either. This isnt gonna be a gymnastics boner-style lay out, but it looks cool and is more fun than regular backflips IMHO
Like BWalmer and Daski said its is best to throw with hips, if you don't give a fuck you can throw with your neck/upper back, though it is not recommended.
It's all in your knees . Also instead of throwing a backy float into. Don't huck it like you were doing one on the ground of or on a tramp.
Let the jump throw you into it.When you get to the top go upward and back, as you release arch your back and head all the way over but let your knees hang.
A good way to start is to get to 1/2 ay point quicly, hang then snap your legs underneath you. A decent size jump with some pop is a good place to start. IT makes it much easier for getting a consistent style that works for you and making it a trick you land every time as well as being able to rock out big booters.
It's sort of like doing a "bridge" on the ground where you push up and arch your back.You want to be bent like that. You'll be able to spot the landing at the same time as normal but you have the rest of your body to bring around to slow the rotation. You can also fully extend everything and get jesus mode if you accidentally take it to the gucci plateau
BWalmerLearn to flip with your hips not your shoulders. You want to throw your hips upward at the peak of the jump instead of throwing your shoulders back.
jump up, throw your hips forward a ton and try to arch your back, one thing that helps me is extending my arms back while in the air, kinda as if you were flying, idk it helps me
john18061806throw it harder than you normally throw your backflips, my first attempt at a layout was nearly catastrophic.
You didn't do something right. If you throw it too hard on a jump you're going to lay it out on, you're going to overrotate and have a bad time. No amount of extending your limbs like jesus wil save you at that point.
You can hang your knees less the first times or if it's on a smaller jump. You def want to flow into that upside down or just past spot where you can see the landing and that's where you stall it for a second and then snap it around. On huge jumps the whole thing needs to be a little more fluid and super slow. Above 40' it can start to get tricky but the hang method works pretty solid for medium booters.
I wasn't referring to on jumps, OP said "docks" so I brought up my experience when I was new to a trampoline. Anyways, I know exactly what you are talking about with the hang method on fly bed tramps.
BWalmerLearn to flip with your hips not your shoulders. You want to throw your hips upward at the peak of the jump instead of throwing your shoulders back.
Sorry for ignorance, i'm not really a good backflipper, but how the hell are you supposed to throw with your hips?
TwinipzSorry for ignorance, i'm not really a good backflipper, but how the hell are you supposed to throw with your hips?
What most people do when they first learn a backflip is when the jump they throw their head and shoulders back. What this does is it prevents you from getting maximum height, and therefore less airtime to complete the flip (which is why you have to tuck to pull it all the way around). When you do your flip off the dock, I'm willing to bet you land about 5 feet away from the dock, however a "proper" standing backflip should land in the exact same spot as you took off.
This is one of the reasons I try and discourage people from learning backflips off docks, ect. Sure they're "safer", but they teach a very improper technique that when take to other platforms (flat ground, tramps, skiing, ect.) can lead to injury. You want to focus on a spot a little bit about your eye level (a tree, the roof of a house, ect.) and when you jump you focus on the spot, as you "pop" off the ground look up for the sky to initiate the flip. From here you choose to either tuck or layout, tuck is simple, knees to chest eyes focus around so you can spot your landing. A layout is done right after the pop, basically as soon as you have initiate your flip you're going to push your hips forward (in this "up") and arch your back. You have to set the layout from the start, don't set for a tuck, then try and layout, set for layout and if things are going to be short then tuck.
The obvious problem with doing a backflip off a dock and trying to land in the same place is you'll miss the water. This is why I encourage people to learn them on a tramp or even better at a proper gymnastics facility that has tons of tools to help learn them...although I realize this isn't exactly possible for everyone. But once you've learned to do them properly, you can then learn to thrown them off of objects into water properly.
There are tons of great videos out there about how to learn backflips, they'll be able to explain them with visuals which will help.
john18061806I wasn't referring to on jumps, OP said "docks" so I brought up my experience when I was new to a trampoline. Anyways, I know exactly what you are talking about with the hang method on fly bed tramps.
tldr: I'm a pussy and can't backflip on skis
Oh word, I missed that somehow. Why the fuck is this in SG then. OP you confuse me.
BWalmerWhat most people do when they first learn a backflip is when the jump they throw their head and shoulders back. What this does is it prevents you from getting maximum height, and therefore less airtime to complete the flip (which is why you have to tuck to pull it all the way around). When you do your flip off the dock, I'm willing to bet you land about 5 feet away from the dock, however a "proper" standing backflip should land in the exact same spot as you took off.
This is one of the reasons I try and discourage people from learning backflips off docks, ect. Sure they're "safer", but they teach a very improper technique that when take to other platforms (flat ground, tramps, skiing, ect.) can lead to injury. You want to focus on a spot a little bit about your eye level (a tree, the roof of a house, ect.) and when you jump you focus on the spot, as you "pop" off the ground look up for the sky to initiate the flip. From here you choose to either tuck or layout, tuck is simple, knees to chest eyes focus around so you can spot your landing. A layout is done right after the pop, basically as soon as you have initiate your flip you're going to push your hips forward (in this "up") and arch your back. You have to set the layout from the start, don't set for a tuck, then try and layout, set for layout and if things are going to be short then tuck.
The obvious problem with doing a backflip off a dock and trying to land in the same place is you'll miss the water. This is why I encourage people to learn them on a tramp or even better at a proper gymnastics facility that has tons of tools to help learn them...although I realize this isn't exactly possible for everyone. But once you've learned to do them properly, you can then learn to thrown them off of objects into water properly.
There are tons of great videos out there about how to learn backflips, they'll be able to explain them with visuals which will help.
I agree but I don't think it's that hard to learn different methods for different situations. The biggest thing imo is getting the understanding of the rotation and going straight back instead of to the sides. Docks or pools are great because pretty much everybody can access one at some point in the summer. If somebody wants to take them to flat ground they can still work on the, trying them on a trampoline with no bounce and then a mat or mattress.
Idkj maybe I just haven't been around people learning them enough to see people unable to change the method. I guess if you have access go for it. I'm just thinking that people are generally the least scared to throw stuff into water and everyone can get to a dock or pool.
theabortionatorOh word, I missed that somehow. Why the fuck is this in SG then. OP you confuse me.
I posted it in SG because i also wanna learn it skiing so idk i was kinda asking for help both ways. but since its summer i might aswell practice learning the feeling now. I can backflip on a tramp or off cliffs comfortably so i want to take them to the next step because to me laying out seems alot easier to control your flip.
This is what im planning to practice off of just because its a good height so i feel like even i mess up and flail abit ill still be able to get the flip around.
-WZ-This is what im planning to practice off of just because its a good height so i feel like even i mess up and flail abit ill still be able to get the flip around.
no im being serious about it. its pretty close to my house and im comfortable flipping off it. I just feel like with more air time itll be easier for me to start straightening out and arch my back more. i tried laying out off a 5 foot and i landed flat on my stomach so yea
-WZ-no im being serious about it. its pretty close to my house and im comfortable flipping off it. I just feel like with more air time itll be easier for me to start straightening out and arch my back more. i tried laying out off a 5 foot and i landed flat on my stomach so yea
That's like trying it off a 60'er in the park because you'll have more time to fix things if anything goes wrong. If you've never done a flip easier to learn it off something smaller and you won't cry if you back flop.
Nevermind that. Reading the above post about not learning them on docks and trying them in a gym and standing on the ground made me think this was about first attempts. I forgot you were just trying to learn layout flips.
That looks solid if you're comfortable at that height. I think big trampoline flips are the only thing that kind of compares to skiing though but that looks solid for getting the water ones down for bridge/cliff jumping.
I think spotting is the key. I originally learned backflips on a tramp with the throw your shoulders back and bring your feet up method, and it is way sketchier than banana style once you learn it.
I actually learned to lay them out by just doing it incrementally and arching my back and trying to spot quicker.
john18061806throw it harder than you normally throw your backflips, my first attempt at a layout was nearly catastrophic.
I kinda agree with this. On my first few laid out backies I had to throw harder than usual to compensate for not tucking, however once you learn it it takes less energy and movement than a tucked n bucked backflip.
john18061806I wasn't referring to on jumps, OP said "docks" so I brought up my experience when I was new to a trampoline. Anyways, I know exactly what you are talking about with the hang method on fly bed tramps.
tldr: I'm a pussy and can't backflip on skis
Defo try it on skis bro, its actually pretty easy especially if you can do em really well on tramp.
-WZ-I posted it in SG because i also wanna learn it skiing so idk i was kinda asking for help both ways. but since its summer i might aswell practice learning the feeling now. I can backflip on a tramp or off cliffs comfortably so i want to take them to the next step because to me laying out seems alot easier to control your flip.
This exactly, when you lay it out you spot your landing quicker and have the chance to correct the speed of your rotation.
tricks i listed in the poll are things i wanna learn next cliff jumping, not on snow. Idk what this trick would be called on snow but this is what the "matrix" flip looks like. If theres another name for it tell me i just don't know it.
-WZ-This is what im planning to practice off of just because its a good height so i feel like even i mess up and flail abit ill still be able to get the flip around.
that is a great start, but as bwalmer was explaining about jumping off docks, you are pushing all your momentum backwards(at like a 45angle) instead of up first. i think you were only able to get that around all the way was because you were high enough. you are losing a lot of energy jumping backwards so hard, if you pause right when your head breaks the plane in which you jumped from, you are only half way through your rotation. if you try laying out a flip like that you will always land on your stomach, and if you do that on skis im imagining you'd get close to smacking your head on the lip every time. really try focusing on driving your momentum up when you pop before setting your flip. get comfortable with doing that and then laying them out will come much more naturally. ill make a gif and try to explain it better....
creating height is really important, going up not back. the movement of your arms will also help a lot. imagine you are standing under a basketball hoop and trying to jump and touch the rim, that is the kind of upward movement you want. as i crouch down(keep your chest up, i kind of dropped mine too much here) the arms go back and as i am driving up with my legs, my arms swing forward and continue up to about the apex of my rotation. from there i look back(open chest to the sky/ hips up too) and be able to spot my landing through the rest of the rotation, start tucking my legs up to my chest and over too( for laying them out, they will trail behind instead of tucking, obviously).
if you play this alongside your video you can see how hard you are driving your momentum backwards, you start to swing your arms up but then jerk them back down as you pushing backwards with your legs. when i am half way through my rotation my head is still above the plane that my feet originally left, where as if you pause your flip halfway, you are well below your starting plane... all your energy is spent creating as much distance away from your starting point as you can, which is very natural but not so savvy when you wan to start laying them out more... pop straight up before setting the backward rotation and when you land keep your chest up and facing forward instead of bent over and pointing towards the ground. and then practice, practice, practice until it becomes redundant.
sorry if that was confusing at all, i've never been the best at explaining things, much more of a visual learner myself... hope this helps you out some. you have an amazing jump spot for learning things, it looks like so much fun.