OP are you high?

elm0OP are you high?

Yes, and op bought nugz from this guy:

elm0OP are you high?

Shut up. Your threads suck.

.undetectedIs there a higher state to which I can wake up, so that this waking world will disappear, just like the dream world?"

elm0OP are you high?

OP definitely has a point and I can tell he's definitely philosophical and relatively smart. But, it is also a high possibilty he's sconed off the dank catapolonic scug nugs

mmccarthy14OP definitely has a point and I can tell he's definitely philosophical and relatively smart. But, it is also a high possibilty he's sconed off the dank catapolonic scug nugs

No amount of chemicals were induced to have this thought. I just hoped for actual responses. I guess NSG delivers the usual suspects........sigh

.undetectedNo one has any hesitation, obviously, in taking the dream world as an illusion; for, when they wake up to this familiar world, the dream world disappears. But all of us find it hard to believe that this familiar world, which we all actually perceive and experience, is an illusion. If I jump down from an upper floor, I will certainly be fatally injured. This difficulty is because we are all part of this world and are attached to it in some way.

But a spiritual aspirant may ask, "Is there a higher state to which I can wake up, so that this waking world will disappear, just like the dream world?"

.undetectedNo amount of chemicals were induced to have this thought. I just hoped for actual responses. I guess NSG delivers the usual suspects........sigh

Okay OP. Usually a block of text bereft of citations or references that "coherently" muses on philosophical predicaments is safely assumed to be derived from marahuana consumption.

Dr.DealgoodOkay OP. Usually a block of text bereft of citations or references that "coherently" muses on philosophical predicaments is safely assumed to be derived from marahuana consumption.

"Safely assume" is not something to be praised. Never assume.

dont you have some video game tournaments to watch you fuckin loser

El_Barto.dont you have some video game tournaments to watch you fuckin loser

Call of Duty is an event at the X games this year for a Gold medal. Dont even get me started with this argument right now. We all know how that debacle will go.

.undetectedCall of Duty is an event at the X games this year for a Gold medal. Dont even get me started with this argument right now. We all know how that debacle will go.

How will it go? Video gaming isn't a sport.

.undetectedCall of Duty is an event at the X games this year for a Gold medal. Dont even get me started with this argument right now. We all know how that debacle will go.

It will end up with you looking like the jackass you are. Shit, you probably suck at video games as much as you suck at NS

JAHpowHow will it go? Video gaming isn't a sport.

http://xgames.espn.go.com/events/2014/austin/article/10823607/major-league-gaming-host-call-duty-tournament-x-games-austin

Read up.

El_Barto.It will end up with you looking like the jackass you are. Shit, you probably suck at video games as much as you suck at NS

Do I need to teach you a lesson SkiOre?

.undetectedDo I need to teach you a lesson SkiOre?

Oh no...one of my first names. Ive had like a million of em but that doesnt mean that youre not a loser

El_Barto.Oh no...one of my first names. Ive had like a million of em but that doesnt mean that youre not a loser

Is that supposed to make me cry?

Yes, it's called Nirvana and I have been there after an accidental 80mg dose of 4-ACO-DMT. Had no prior preconceptions of what it was to be like or that I was even about to take drugs because I thought it was just a THC capsule. Long story short I had an extended out of body experience in which I lost the aggregates of reality (perception of self, time, and space) and was purely energy in the universe. Sounds silly but read this trip report and I had a very similar experience. And after studying Buddhism the year after that trip, the way Buddhism describes "ultimate enlightenment" and Nirvana are exactly what I experienced on the trip.

If you want me to give a more detailed explanation of the event and the trip itself I am willing just don't want to scroll bomb as it's a long journey and requires a lot of explanation.

So to answer your initial question, yes there is another reality that you may experience... but the only way to do that is by lifelong meditation and sacrifice, or a single perfect drug experience in which many things have to come together to achieve it. I did it completely on accident and my advice to you is to not spend your life searching for that, but rather enjoy this world we are in now and hopefully when you die we all get to that place, as I believe.

This trip report does a good job of explaining what I went through and experienced, but keep in mind I had NO prior knowledge of this drug or that I was even ingesting it. So it came out of nowhere and at the point before experiencing true ego death I had convinced myself that I had gone completely insane and that this was what my life would be like now and had no idea why.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=91726

"I was extremely afraid, mostly because i didn't know how much deeper i would be pulled in, and because i was painfully aware that there was no 'eject' button i could pull to save myself when things were getting too dark. It was at this point that i realized there was no way to fight it, and i had to surrender myself completely. So i stopped all resistance, cleared my mind, and just lay there hoping i would somehow just pass out and wake up in the morning as sober as ever. "

"I was just a ball of energy. Floating out there somewhere drowned out in waves of energy. At a point i realized that i was dead. My body was gone, I was gone. There was just the energy that used to be me. For a while i was afraid of my death, i wanted to go back, i wanted to live. Then i realized that there was no way to go back after seeing what i saw and feeling what i felt. I couldn't fit into the world anymore, i had to be pushed out. With these thoughts i accepted my death. Everything felt calm and silent. My mind stopped racing, and all the black and white energy around me swirled together to make an even shade of grey. It was incredibly peaceful. It's very hard to write out the experience after this time. There is a fundamental difference between knowing and understanding, and although i could attempt to make others know what i felt, it is impossible to make anyone understand."

.undetectedIs that supposed to make me cry?

No...its supposed to let you know that watching video game tournaments makes you a loser

Thizzle.Yes, it's called Nirvana and I have been there after an accidental 80mg dose of 4-ACO-DMT. Had no prior preconceptions of what it was to be like or that I was even about to take drugs because I thought it was just a THC capsule. Long story short I had an extended out of body experience in which I lost the aggregates of reality (perception of self, time, and space) and was purely energy in the universe. Sounds silly but read this trip report and I had a very similar experience. And after studying Buddhism the year after that trip, the way Buddhism describes "ultimate enlightenment" and Nirvana are exactly what I experienced on the trip.

If you want me to give a more detailed explanation of the event and the trip itself I am willing just don't want to scroll bomb as it's a long journey and requires a lot of explanation.

So to answer your initial question, yes there is another reality that you may experience... but the only way to do that is by lifelong meditation and sacrifice, or a single perfect drug experience in which many things have to come together to achieve it. I did it completely on accident and my advice to you is to not spend your life searching for that, but rather enjoy this world we are in now and hopefully when you die we all get to that place, as I believe.

This trip report does a good job of explaining what I went through and experienced, but keep in mind I had NO prior knowledge of this drug or that I was even ingesting it. So it came out of nowhere and at the point before experiencing true ego death I had convinced myself that I had gone completely insane and that this was what my life would be like now and had no idea why.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=91726

"I was extremely afraid, mostly because i didn't know how much deeper i would be pulled in, and because i was painfully aware that there was no 'eject' button i could pull to save myself when things were getting too dark. It was at this point that i realized there was no way to fight it, and i had to surrender myself completely. So i stopped all resistance, cleared my mind, and just lay there hoping i would somehow just pass out and wake up in the morning as sober as ever. "

"I was just a ball of energy. Floating out there somewhere drowned out in waves of energy. At a point i realized that i was dead. My body was gone, I was gone. There was just the energy that used to be me. For a while i was afraid of my death, i wanted to go back, i wanted to live. Then i realized that there was no way to go back after seeing what i saw and feeling what i felt. I couldn't fit into the world anymore, i had to be pushed out. With these thoughts i accepted my death. Everything felt calm and silent. My mind stopped racing, and all the black and white energy around me swirled together to make an even shade of grey. It was incredibly peaceful. It's very hard to write out the experience after this time. There is a fundamental difference between knowing and understanding, and although i could attempt to make others know what i felt, it is impossible to make anyone understand."

Its stories like this and trip reports like this one that lead me more to believing that humans have "souls" and that is where life comes from. Yet there are so many thoughts that go on in my head that I cannot even fathom for myself let alone type them out into words. All I can do is exactly what you just said, "enjoy this world we are in now and hopefully when you die we all get to that place, as I believe." Thank you very much for this post. Sometimes I just need something to bring me back to reality and stop my mind from racing away from itself.

El_Barto.No...its supposed to let you know that watching video game tournaments makes you a loser

Small words from a small mind my friend.

What type of things do you do for fun?

What do you watch that makes you happy?

Where does your "enjoyment" come from?

Tell me these things so I too can bash on them, because that is how we are supposed to be. Humans were meant for this, in fact we were built for this.

Consciousness is extremely interesting. You only see the world through your own eyes and you can never find out if what you perceive to be real is actually real. You can waste years thinking of "what if?" and "is this all a dream?"

It is much better to just let it go as the answer will never be found. You are your only judge. "I think, therefore I am."

AT-ATConsciousness is extremely interesting. You only see the world through your own eyes and you can never find out if what you perceive to be real is actually real. You can waste years thinking of "what if?" and "is this all a dream?"

It is much better to just let it go as the answer will never be found. You are your only judge. "I think, therefore I am."

God I love the human brain. It is so majestic.

.undetectedWhat type of things do you do for fun?

What do you watch that makes you happy?

Where does your "enjoyment" come from?

I can answer all these. Shits on kids in NSG. Noobs trying to make come backs toward him but are futile because they are noobs. The perished souls of the noobs el barto has destroyed.

.undetectedSmall words from a small mind my friend.

What type of things do you do for fun?

What do you watch that makes you happy?

Where does your "enjoyment" come from?

Tell me these things so I too can bash on them, because that is how we are supposed to be. Humans were meant for this, in fact we were built for this.

no

I feel like you might be interested in reading more up on this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2522482/Is-universe-hologram-Physicists-believe-live-projection.html

.undetectedIts stories like this and trip reports like this one that lead me more to believing that humans have "souls" and that is where life comes from. Yet there are so many thoughts that go on in my head that I cannot even fathom for myself let alone type them out into words. All I can do is exactly what you just said, "enjoy this world we are in now and hopefully when you die we all get to that place, as I believe." Thank you very much for this post. Sometimes I just need something to bring me back to reality and stop my mind from racing away from itself.

Yeah, once you have been stripped down to purely nothing but your soul in the infinite universe of other souls and energy it is much easier to understand consciousness. There is indeed more than what meets the 5 senses, and it is a difficult thing to explain what is left of "you" in that ego death scenario. The part that really gets me is that there is literally no more "you" and yet you can still sort of sense that "you" are there just in a different form. You feel as if you are purely and truly all of the energy in the universe, and it left me with a much deeper understanding of the transcendentalist idea of the "oversoul" in that we are all connected in a sense that is beyond the scope of comprehension with mind and body alone. It seemed very much true in that time that I was gone that we are all connected via some energy or "soul" if you will. There was no more me, I was simply stripped down until nothing was left except the energy that I share with the rest of the universe, and you truly feel and know that the energy you are feeling and what you are experiencing is simply everything. After the trip it is much easier to ground myself in reality and say this is REAL, but I know there is more to it. I believe that our energy and soul is unaffected by this life we live via our senses and mind, and that we need not fear religion or God or what happens when we die, because I have already experienced death. I truly believe that my drug experience was a simulated death and I feel that I now understand what it is to die. You simply are stripping away all of the excess until all that is left is your energy already combined with the rest of the energy in the universe.

Thizzle.Yeah, once you have been stripped down to purely nothing but your soul in the infinite universe of other souls and energy it is much easier to understand consciousness. There is indeed more than what meets the 5 senses, and it is a difficult thing to explain what is left of "you" in that ego death scenario. The part that really gets me is that there is literally no more "you" and yet you can still sort of sense that "you" are there just in a different form. You feel as if you are purely and truly all of the energy in the universe, and it left me with a much deeper understanding of the transcendentalist idea of the "oversoul" in that we are all connected in a sense that is beyond the scope of comprehension with mind and body alone. It seemed very much true in that time that I was gone that we are all connected via some energy or "soul" if you will. There was no more me, I was simply stripped down until nothing was left except the energy that I share with the rest of the universe, and you truly feel and know that the energy you are feeling and what you are experiencing is simply everything. After the trip it is much easier to ground myself in reality and say this is REAL, but I know there is more to it. I believe that our energy and soul is unaffected by this life we live via our senses and mind, and that we need not fear religion or God or what happens when we die, because I have already experienced death. I truly believe that my drug experience was a simulated death and I feel that I now understand what it is to die. You simply are stripping away all of the excess until all that is left is your energy already combined with the rest of the energy in the universe.

It is a love/hate relationship that I have with the Universe. I love to think about everything in its most primitive state, but at the same time I hate to think about anything because none of it makes sense. We have no answer to anything. Its times like this I wish I could hypothetically raise a group of babies in a blank room with no outside influence of anything, just to see how they would grow up. Yet "morals" and "ethics" come into play and I end up looking like a crazy person for just trying to understand what "we" are.

.undetectedhttp://xgames.espn.go.com/events/2014/austin/article/10823607/major-league-gaming-host-call-duty-tournament-x-games-austin

Read up.

Yeah I know it's in the x games now but it shouldn't be because it's not an extreme sport. And IMO not a sport at all.

.undetectedNo one has any hesitation, obviously, in taking the dream world as an illusion; for, when they wake up to this familiar world, the dream world disappears. But all of us find it hard to believe that this familiar world, which we all actually perceive and experience, is an illusion. If I jump down from an upper floor, I will certainly be fatally injured. This difficulty is because we are all part of this world and are attached to it in some way.

But a spiritual aspirant may ask, "Is there a higher state to which I can wake up, so that this waking world will disappear, just like the dream world?"

Nice copy and paste OP. At least quote the original thinker.

Nevertheless, "The answer is a resounding "yes." What that higher state is no one can precisely describe. But Sri Shankaracharya was an intellectual and spiritual prodigy. He could experience that sublime, transcendental state (turiya, wherein the jiva is in a state of complete identification with Brahman), just like the Upanishadic seers. Thus, the great Acharya could confirm and authoritatively summarise the vision of the ancient seers of Sanatana Dharma — the truth of Advaita. Before he left his mortal coil, he firmly established this philosophy by his masterly commentaries on the prasthanatraya (the three basic texts on Vedanta, viz., Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita and the Brahma Sutras."

.undetectedI just hoped for actual responses.

Op this is not a new idea

Op this is not a new idea

CONAIR_BUSCEMINice copy and paste OP. At least quote the original thinker.

Nevertheless, "The answer is a resounding "yes." What that higher state is no one can precisely describe. But Sri Shankaracharya was an intellectual and spiritual prodigy. He could experience that sublime, transcendental state (turiya, wherein the jiva is in a state of complete identification with Brahman), just like the Upanishadic seers. Thus, the great Acharya could confirm and authoritatively summarise the vision of the ancient seers of Sanatana Dharma — the truth of Advaita. Before he left his mortal coil, he firmly established this philosophy by his masterly commentaries on the prasthanatraya (the three basic texts on Vedanta, viz., Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita and the Brahma Sutras."

I made this up and they took it from me. You think you are clever for finding something that resembles a similar viewpoint of mine. Kill yourself.

Look at Buddhism. Look at Chandragupta Mahayana. Look at nirvana.

Threads for later as I am interested but am leaving for work soon. My knowledge on the topic is limited but my interests in it are vast. Spirituality may be a worldwide group effort, for all of us to be lifted at once. In the pyramid code (which I believe is half mumbo jumbo) The pyramids we're actually created as a beacon to help mankind awaken. The Egyptians believed in this sort of thing. Orgasms we're another way of reaching a higher state. Although the people that did practice that didn't abuse sex as mankind does today, they used it as a sophisticated method of reaching nirvana.

And as Buddhism goes and how everything is connected (forget jargon words at the moment, they probe somewhere in the thread.) There are multiple viewpoints on how all of us connect.

I'll be back later tonight after I refresh my research. I studied this thoroughly in high school, more so shikism over buddhism.

.undetectedI made this up and they took it from me. You think you are clever for finding something that resembles a similar viewpoint of mine. Kill yourself.

You were smart when you were 6. OP seriously though this is copyright infringement bro you know how much trouble you could get into? I’m reporting you to the U.S. Copyright Office. It’s aboot time!

.undetectedNo one has any hesitation, obviously, in taking the dream world as an illusion; for, when they wake up to this familiar world, the dream world disappears. But all of us find it hard to believe that this familiar world, which we all actually perceive and experience, is an illusion. If I jump down from an upper floor, I will certainly be fatally injured. This difficulty is because we are all part of this world and are attached to it in some way.

But a spiritual aspirant may ask, "Is there a higher state to which I can wake up, so that this waking world will disappear, just like the dream world?"

I believe that personal identity is determined neither by the continued organization nor by the continued soul but rather by the continued consciousness. However, we have no inherent self-nature. From impermanence everything changes continuously, hence there is no nature. From composition everything can be seen as a temporary combination of components. The cause and effect has no nature because of the madhyamaka, a middle of two extremes. The effect preexists in the cause at the same time. If it does not preexist we could make cheese from clay or vice versa.

It is true to conclude that what we are aware of in reality is what we perceive therefore perception is separate from reality and consciousness works for physical reality which is merely appearance.

The world definitely exists however it is not real. So like i said above if the effect preexists in the cause, there is no real change. For example, you create a jar out of clay, however there was already a jar in that clay. So you could say change is merely an appearance.

But you may say that a a jar has a certain form. However, form is not real because form is new and something can’t be made or come out of nothing, that is impossible. So form has no reality of its own and is simply an appearance, similar to the big bang theory. Likewise, time is our perception of change. So time exists however it is not real. Therefore consciousness contains all reality. This can be achieved by concentration, meditation and Samadhi. Meditation without self-awareness; the awareness that you are meditating disappears. The object of concentration disappears and subsequently you reach pure consciousness.

Personally, I believe that true reality has no distinction among judgment, feeling, willing and perception.

I also don’t believe in a god because this supposedly unchanging being never causes change in the perceived world. We can not know the existence of an unchanging being so it does not matter to us. So it does not exist at all. If no causation the same as not existing, if one-time causation that is contrary to our experience, it continuous different causations the unchanging being changes thus there is no hidden unchanging being.

.undetectedI made this up and they took it from me.

Like gay sex.

.undetectedhttp://xgames.espn.go.com/events/2014/austin/article/10823607/major-league-gaming-host-call-duty-tournament-x-games-austin

Read up.

every other sport is in the X(treme) games because there are strong elements of risk of personal injury. What risk is there to video games? they may as well include competitive speed typing next year as well. The only reason video games are being includes is because of dwindling interest in skateboarding and marketing dollars from the video game industry.

TheSeaCaptainLike gay sex.

I agree with everything that you just said.

Did you get into URI yet?

.undetectedI agree with everything that you just said.

Did you get into URI yet?

No, I did not yet.

JAHpowHow will it go? Video gaming isn't a sport.

I mean if NASCAR's a sport that pretty much open the door for everything else.

.undetectedI wish I could hypothetically raise a group of babies in a blank room with no outside influence of anything, just to see how they would grow up. Yet "morals" and "ethics" come into play and I end up looking like a crazy person for just trying to understand what "we" are.

You would be a crazy person. The only way it would end up would just be like all those stories where police/people find a child or children who are physically 16 years old but mentally and psychologically 2, in a dark room, locked in a cage, with excrement everywhere.

zzzskizzzI mean if NASCAR's a sport that pretty much open the door for everything else.

Yeah because driving a car at 200mph with opponents inches away from you for 2-3hrs is the same as video gaming.

OlimarYou would be a crazy person. The only way it would end up would just be like all those stories where police/people find a child or children who are physically 16 years old but mentally and psychologically 2, in a dark room, locked in a cage, with excrement everywhere.

I dont mean in an inhumane way. Obviously they woudl be fed and clothed and kept a normal physically healthy manner, Just would like to kind of put an end to the question "Are humans born good or evil?"

You know what I mean? Like if they grew up with no outside influence, like on a separate island with nothing to affect their reactions and "instincts" then how would they be psychologically.

OP thinks videogames are a professional sport.

lol

.undetectedI dont mean in an inhumane way. Obviously they woudl be fed and clothed and kept a normal physically healthy manner, Just would like to kind of put an end to the question "Are humans born good or evil?"

You know what I mean? Like if they grew up with no outside influence, like on a separate island with nothing to affect their reactions and "instincts" then how would they be psychologically.

Humans are animals. Animals will do what they need to do to survive and pass on their seed/genes and they will do what ever they need to to do that. The only reason the concept of good vs evil exists os because humans are civilized and they created it and they know what we as humans deemed to be good and what we deemed to be evil.

If you take away that outside influence and civility, the humans will merely become animals again, doing what they need to do to survive until overtime they eventually develop some type of communication and civilization on their own.

That was probably a really shitty attempt at what im Tryon to say because im on mobile and about to start work... but do you understand what I mean?

I could also just be making myself sound like an ass because I just came to this realization as I was reading your previous response, ive never had this argument/conversation with someone before so im excited to hear what you have to say.

.undetectedI dont mean in an inhumane way. Obviously they woudl be fed and clothed and kept a normal physically healthy manner, Just would like to kind of put an end to the question "Are humans born good or evil?"

You know what I mean? Like if they grew up with no outside influence, like on a separate island with nothing to affect their reactions and "instincts" then how would they be psychologically.

Well you first have to take in to account that shared beliefs, traditions, and customs contrary to the putative societal standard can be viewed as evil while others will view those supposed standards and its culture to be unprincipled. You also have to ask the question whether morals are innate, learned or combinations of both.

One could argue that humans are born evil by nature with feelings of hatred, wants and desires and that these desires can lead to conflict and disorder, however intelligence and propriety can restrain these desires. Plus, reality is full of illogicalities and paradoxes that is why education and cultivation is important.

I believe that humanity puts forward standards so that we could instill contented lives. Humans will violate the norm and will act on their desires if they are not taught what is socially acceptable. Hence, humans are taught a code of conduct so that morality can be learned over time. A lack of understanding and lack of being taught moral values can lead to immoral choices.

You could also argue that human nature is good, but humans have their limitations. One does not have compassion towards every person in the world and therefore disparate social groups are made. Plus there’s scientific evidence that humans are born somewhat good if compared to the standards of today.

"However, cruelty in ancient times was all the worse because such actions appeared to have reasons behind them which was then tolerated and fit cultural rules. There were always justifications and explanations for why acts (like torture) which would be repugnant if done in normal contexts where everything is right are fine and dandy in these circumstances.

And if their actions are justified, then the basis can be attacked rationally. Tribes began to interact positively with other tribes which had different moral systems. In order to work together they had to find a consensus.

"I doubt very much that we installed their individual traits into what one would call a ‘blank slate’. Origins of differences are contrived of chromatin modeling, their womb environment, and maybe an element in prospect in chance in how the brain gets wired as it grows."