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john18061806 had the idea of seeing what NS thinks about this.
I feel like most of newschoolers is liberal, but I guess we'll find out here. I'm conservative, as you probably know if you've seen any of my posts.
Discuss. Tell us why you are conservative, or why you are liberal. Hopefully we get some legitimate answers because it would actually be a good read.
inb4 obama gifs
pussyfooterI feel like I share views from both sides, but that doesn't matter in our society...
Ditto.
Fiscally conservative (big governments cant spend money well)
Socially liberal (I dont care who you sleep with or marry. Guns should be more strictly regulated)
Libertarian is where I would fall but that party is too small in the US.
.MASSHOLE.Fiscally conservative (big governments cant spend money well)Socially liberal (I dont care who you sleep with or marry. Guns should be more strictly regulated)
I think I would still consider you liberal, under my ideas of the parties at least.
To me, the two options are more like two worldviews.
WattsI mean...they are. Liberal =/= democrat, and conservative =/= republican.
In Europe we like to complicate things, but then again we have so many parties it's almost necessary.
These are the parties in Belgium spread out on a fancy 3d graph with
Y: social economy
Z: democracy
X: ethical issues
I agree with Republicans with economics and finances and such but when it comes to gay marriage i disagree with the republican view. I also believe abortion should be legal for rape victims. And on legalizing weed, it's stupid it's not legalized. I'm not a big smoker myself but if it was legalized i can see a drastic reduction in the crime rate.
omnidataIn Europe we like to complicate things, but then again we have so many parties it's almost necessary.These are the parties in Belgium spread out on a fancy 3d graph with
Y: social economy
Z: democracy
X: ethical issues
I mean those are still basically all either liberal or conservative, even if there are a few more names.
mmccarthy14I agree with Republicans with economics and finances and such but when it comes to gay marriage i disagree with the republican view. I also believe abortion should be legal for rape victims. And on legalizing weed, it's stupid it's not legalized. I'm not a big smoker myself but if it was legalized i can see a drastic reduction in the crime rate.
I agree with abortion under strict circumstances but I read a statistic that
shreddinthegnarrI agree with abortion under strict circumstances but I read a statistic that
Wow okay. I read a statistic that less than 1% of abortions are rape. The only way abortion is justifiable to be is if it is totally necessary for the mothers health and rape. I'm surprised weed hasn't been legalized yet. I'm 99 percent sure it's going to be in the next decade. Maybe even in the next 5 years.
pussyfooterI feel like I share views from both sides, but that doesn't matter in our society...
I think this is pretty common. An example is most conservatives and liberals both believe in helping the poor. Where they disagree is how to get it done. Conservatives believe in donating. Liberals believe in higher taxes so the government can distribute the money to the poor.
The problem with donating is that not everyone does it. The problem with higher taxation, is that only a small fraction goes to those who need it. If higher taxation didn't necessitate more layers of government, it would work better, but historically you have never been able to have one without the other.
Liberalism as a political doctrine means bigger government. The bigger it is, the more dysfunctional it gets; and the more dysfunctional it is, the less it helps the people who need it.
shreddinthegnarrWow okay. I read a statistic that less than 1% of abortions are rape. The only way abortion is justifiable to be is if it is totally necessary for the mothers health and rape. I'm surprised weed hasn't been legalized yet. I'm 99 percent sure it's going to be in the next decade. Maybe even in the next 5 years.
The problem with legalizing abortion is that people who are too stupid to use a condom during sex would abuse it in its entirety so that doesn't surprise me that only 1% of abortions are rape. And weed will most likely be legalized within the next 5-10 years throughout the United Staes. The government is missing out on a huge money maker! Make fields upon fields of weed owned by the government, then tax the shit out of it. People are gonna buy it. But, i know in colorado that if people still have a hook up and don't feel like wasting their money buying it legally then they just buy it off their regular dealer.
Mr.HuckI think this is pretty common. An example is most conservatives and liberals both believe in helping the poor. Where they disagree is how to get it done. Conservatives believe in donating. Liberals believe in higher taxes so the government can distribute the money to the poor.The problem with donating is that not everyone does it. The problem with higher taxation, is that only a small fraction goes to those who need it. If higher taxation didn't necessitate more layers of government, it would work better, but historically you have never been able to have one without the other.
Liberalism as a political doctrine means bigger government. The bigger it is, the more dysfunctional it gets; and the more dysfunctional it is, the less it helps the people who need it.
Best post in the thread so far
I don't really give a shit about the name of the party. If you ask me I'd say liberal (since I'm not american I'm talking in largely general terms, when I say liberal or conservative I do not mean the political entities, rather the fundamental principles that the party is based around), but this is purely because liberal governments allow for more progression. Take climate change for example, evidence is 100% certain it's happening and 96% certain it's vastly accelerated by humans. Instead of standing down and denying it or waving it off as a political tool, a good liberal party will adapt.
Changing the topic, let's talk crime, specifically reoffender rates. Bastoey, Norway: 16%, by far the lowest in the world. The US: 67% within three years, over 80% after 5. UK: 90%. Norway has the most progressive attitude towards rehabilitation in the world, and it shows. There's no way to spin such a low reoffender rate as bad. The biggest criticism of the Norwegian model is that it seams to cushy, it doesn't seem like punishment. If you think about the long term that seems irrelevant - criminals don't just become criminals on there own, crime is almost socially acceptable because it is so prevalent. To cut the reoffender rate is to cut the overall crime rate, to reduce the culture of crime. The Netherlands have a similar prison system, and they're closing prisons.
I accept that this system is not proven in large populations, but to ignore the successes of this system just to carry on using a failing system is moronic. It's tough to argue that the American and British prison systems aren't failing, 80% and 90% are huge numbers. Only 20% of those who leave an American prison will still be out in five years, that's failure. It's worse in Britain. My point is that a conservative attitude does not fix things. Treating the prison system purely as a form of punishment has failed, it's hard to argue that it isn't. A progressive attitude is required if crime rates are to fall and stay down.
The tech industry is booming. I used to read science fiction books about virtual reality headsets, look at Oculus rift. Technology has very visibly progressed, and it has changed our lives. Has it improved our lives: that's highly questionable, but it's a different discussion. It's certainly done little positive: education quality is falling, crime rates are still abysmal and welfare is in shit. Progression in tech has not bought the country (US and UK) out of the mid 1900s.
Progression based on research will improve the country. It will lower crime rates, lower pollution, provide better education, better welfare systems, the list could go on for quite a while. So you ask about my political orientation, and I'd say I'm anything but a conservative. Things need to change. That said, liberal parties in the US and the UK do little to impress me, they seem to be just as far detached from reality as all the other politicians. They see progression as big things, such as inventing a new source of energy such as nuclear fusion*, when many small steps are far more likely to have a big effect.
*The UK has announced they're going to build a fusion reactor (sort of). Huge problem here: the technology they want to imply is purely theoretical and has a massive chance of failure. Instead of spending the money on research that might go somewhere they did something that the uneducated masses will see as a step forward, when in reality it's just a flashy waste of money.
mmccarthy14The problem with legalizing abortion is that people who are too stupid to use a condom during sex would abuse it in its entirety so that doesn't surprise me that only 1% of abortions are rape. And weed will most likely be legalized within the next 5-10 years throughout the United Staes. The government is missing out on a huge money maker! Make fields upon fields of weed owned by the government, then tax the shit out of it. People are gonna buy it. But, i know in colorado that if people still have a hook up and don't feel like wasting their money buying it legally then they just buy it off their regular dealer.
Yeah that's my main problem with it too. And at least most of those people are going to buy it legally. Plus it's gonna reduce the number of arrests and things like that and less money will be going to housing inmates and more money will be coming in from taxes.
shreddinthegnarrYeah that's my main problem with it too. And at least most of those people are going to buy it legally. Plus it's gonna reduce the number of arrests and things like that and less money will be going to housing inmates and more money will be coming in from taxes.
Way too much money is spent on housing inmates. In my state it costs 46k a year to house one inmate.