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This article might offer an explanation.
http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/2013/09/are-girls-too-normal-sex-differences-in.html?m=1
But yeah the president of harvard got fired for saying it was because of a lack of aptitude at the upper end, but basically what he said is supported by science.
Fuck political correctness
stickskiYou seriously think it's a lack of aptitude? Pull your head out dude...
Pull your head out of your vagina and give a good reason then.
DrZoidbergI'm about to graduate with a degree in chemistry and there's 44 chem majors graduating, I'd say it's a 50/50 split, or maybe 60/40 M/F. But it's not like one girl and the rest guys.
Try physics, math, or engineering mate. Like 80/20 or worse
So clearly you're trying to say that men are better than woman and equating aptitude at math to intelligence. Let's turn this around then. Why are the vast majority of university graduates female? Is it because a higher percentage of women then men are capable of applying themselves at the university level?
Also you have to think, maybe women avoid fields like engineering because it's full of obnoxious guys. The whole 'it's a guys field of study' definitely dissuades a lot of females who'd excel at it.
VinnieFSo clearly you're trying to say that men are better than woman and equating aptitude at math to intelligence. Let's turn this around then. Why are the vast majority of university graduates female? Is it because a higher percentage of women then men are capable of applying themselves at the university level?Also you have to think, maybe women avoid fields like engineering because it's full of obnoxious guys. The whole 'it's a guys field of study' definitely dissuades a lot of females who'd excel at it.
This guy got it in one.
VinnieFSo clearly you're trying to say that men are better than woman and equating aptitude at math to intelligence. Let's turn this around then. Why are the vast majority of university graduates female? Is it because a higher percentage of women then men are capable of applying themselves at the university level?Also you have to think, maybe women avoid fields like engineering because it's full of obnoxious guys. The whole 'it's a guys field of study' definitely dissuades a lot of females who'd excel at it.
Aptitude in math is intelligence. Wtf are you smoking?
And theres more girls of avg intelligence, so it is reasonable that more would attend college. After all, most college graduates are fucking idiots.
And nice circular logic with the obnoxious guys argument.
I was the first person hired at my engineering firm after the 3 years of recession(2008-2011)- only layoffs till me. then 2-3 more young guys were hired. At this point in our 100ish person office we had a total of 5 women. one was the office manager, the other two were front desk. HR proceeded to go on a femal spree. the next 10 new hires were women, and we have been hiring 2 women for every 1 man ever since.
Basically what i am saying is that competetion for an engineering job is super-duper low for women. It is a great field for them to get into.
They dont get into it because it is a fairly boring, nerdy profession with limited social interaction compared to the majority of other fields. On top of this, if you have ever seen what an engineering computer lab looks like at a college around 6pm on a thursday you would totally understand why women stay the fuck away.
Peter.i'm currently sitting in a senior level biochemistry class (only biochem majors in here)12 girls out of 20 total classmates
i had 2 grad level biochems and a grad level bio, pretty much all of the class was girls. to be fair, they were all chinese or indian. also i work in a cancer research lab and pretty much everyone in the lab is an indian girl.
What I've noticed is that girls like studying more than guys do, hence why I find girls do better in university/high school.
It's harder for guys to sit there and study, even if he has a high IQ. As we get older, I do find it gets easier to sit there and study. Again girls mature faster than guys, so that might explain it.
OP, you're an idiot. It's not about political correctness, it's about being realistic about a social problem. Diversity in engineering is an issue because diversity in problem solving is important. Diverse groups reach better solutions than non-diverse groups every time.
There are quite a few reasons why women are an underrepresented minority in engineering (and other hard sciences). These are recognized by the National Academy of Engineering and are fairly similar to why there isn't much racial diversity in engineering (other than white and Asian people).
- Men have greater chances of being channeled into hard science from childhood; women do not (as much) - think toys, which is more 'engineeringy': Legos or Barbies?
- Engineering is an "old boys club."
- The public perception of engineering is not amenable to women. The public perception of engineering is wrong.
Pretty nice piece, for those who are interested. Semi-relevant.
https://www.nae.edu/Publications/Bridge/CompetitiveMaterialsandSolutions/DiversityinEngineering.aspx
blondie.OP, you're an idiot. It's not about political correctness, it's about being realistic about a social problem. Diversity in engineering is an issue because diversity in problem solving is important. Diverse groups reach better solutions than non-diverse groups every time.There are quite a few reasons why women are an underrepresented minority in engineering (and other hard sciences). These are recognized by the National Academy of Engineering and are fairly similar to why there isn't much racial diversity in engineering (other than white and Asian people).
- Men have greater chances of being channeled into hard science from childhood; women do not (as much) - think toys, which is more 'engineeringy': Legos or Barbies?
- Engineering is an "old boys club."
- The public perception of engineering is not amenable to women. The public perception of engineering is wrong.
Pretty nice piece, for those who are interested. Semi-relevant.
https://www.nae.edu/Publications/Bridge/CompetitiveMaterialsandSolutions/DiversityinEngineering.aspx
Oh god. Muh feminism.
This is so retarded.
Men have greater chances of being channeled into hard science from childhood; women do not (as much) - think toys, which is more 'engineeringy': Legos or Barbies?
Are you saying 1)girls don't play with lego 2)there is a fucking correlation between what toys you have in your early childhood to what profession you end up pursuing?
Engineering is an "old boys club."
What does this even mean? Maybe you have a point but I don't fucking know what you're talking about
The public perception of engineering is not amenable to women.
So? Do you want us to dress engineers up in pink and give them all fake tits? Is it amenable to men? No, it's just engineering and doesn't try to appeal to either gender in particular
The public perception of engineering is wrong.
No!!! Engineering is a tough field to get into regardless of gender, people know this. Pretty much everyone considers engineering to be a very respectable degree, and rightfully so. The perception of engineering is just what it should be.
You seem to feel like every profession should have a 50/50 split of genders. This is just stupid. The thing that you should care about is whether there is equal opportunity for a man and a women to get into any given profession. If a women wants to be an engineer, then she has the opportunity (even better than a man I'd argue, as people have above) to go out and become just that. Males and females are different, don't know why society is trying to abolish this idea. Women aren't entering the mentioned fields because they don't want to, not because they can't.
I could continue this rant forever but fuck it I'm done, this shit just pisses me off like no other.
DIX~Oh god. Muh feminism.This is so retarded.
Men have greater chances of being channeled into hard science from childhood; women do not (as much) - think toys, which is more 'engineeringy': Legos or Barbies?
Are you saying 1)girls don't play with lego 2)there is a fucking correlation between what toys you have in your early childhood to what profession you end up pursuing?
Engineering is an "old boys club."
What does this even mean? Maybe you have a point but I don't fucking know what you're talking about
The public perception of engineering is not amenable to women.
So? Do you want us to dress engineers up in pink and give them all fake tits? Is it amenable to men? No, it's just engineering and doesn't try to appeal to either gender in particular
The public perception of engineering is wrong.
No!!! Engineering is a tough field to get into regardless of gender, people know this. Pretty much everyone considers engineering to be a very respectable degree, and rightfully so. The perception of engineering is just what it should be.
You seem to feel like every profession should have a 50/50 split of genders. This is just stupid. The thing that you should care about is whether there is equal opportunity for a man and a women to get into any given profession. If a women wants to be an engineer, then she has the opportunity (even better than a man I'd argue, as people have above) to go out and become just that. Males and females are different, don't know why society is trying to abolish this idea. Women aren't entering the mentioned fields because they don't want to, not because they can't.
I could continue this rant forever but fuck it I'm done, this shit just pisses me off like no other.
I don't understand this new NS formatting, so I'm just going to reply to this all at once.
First of all, I'm a man, I'm not a declared feminist, and my views are supported by arguably the highest organization in engineering. The point isn't that there needs to be a 50/50 split of genders, and that's not what I said. What I said was that diversity plays a role in successful problem solving. That's ALL DIVERSITY, not just gender. Diversity is more than gender or the color of one's skin - it's about perspective, background, and what you bring to a discussion when approaching a multifaceted problem.
So now, that's besides the point. Why are there no women in engineering?
My weakest point is probably that men are funneled into engineering from childhood, and I'll concede that many girls do play with Legos. However, while I don't have a source it's probably entirely true that more boys than girls play with toys like Legos, enabling them to think analytically and solve problems. Dolls don't do shit.
Engineering is an "old boys club." Engineering is full of old white men. What women feels comfortable going into a profession like that?
And finally, no, it's not. People don't understand that engineering doesn't suck. The vast majority of people don't understand the scope of engineering. Additionally, most people (in general) don't have engineering "role models" that they can look up to to guide them into the field. Women are especially lacking in this regard.
It may be semi true that women aren't entering the field because they don't want to. That is not the answer. They are certainly capable of entering the field, so why don't they? That's the question at hand.
It may be semi true that women aren't entering the field because they don't want to. That is not the answer. They are certainly capable of entering the field, so why don't they? That's the question at hand.
Maybe it's because men's and women's minds work differently? That we do not function the same?
blondie.It may be semi true that women aren't entering the field because they don't want to. That is not the answer. They are certainly capable of entering the field, so why don't they? That's the question at hand.
Ugh. Men are certainly capable of being nurses, but the vast majority of nurses are women. As a man do you want to be a nurse? Probably not, but you probably don't think it's an old womens club. Same goes for women and engineering.
blondie.I don't understand this new NS formatting, so I'm just going to reply to this all at once.First of all, I'm a man, I'm not a declared feminist, and my views are supported by arguably the highest organization in engineering. The point isn't that there needs to be a 50/50 split of genders, and that's not what I said. What I said was that diversity plays a role in successful problem solving. That's ALL DIVERSITY, not just gender. Diversity is more than gender or the color of one's skin - it's about perspective, background, and what you bring to a discussion when approaching a multifaceted problem.
So now, that's besides the point. Why are there no women in engineering?
My weakest point is probably that men are funneled into engineering from childhood, and I'll concede that many girls do play with Legos. However, while I don't have a source it's probably entirely true that more boys than girls play with toys like Legos, enabling them to think analytically and solve problems. Dolls don't do shit.
Engineering is an "old boys club." Engineering is full of old white men. What women feels comfortable going into a profession like that?
And finally, no, it's not. People don't understand that engineering doesn't suck. The vast majority of people don't understand the scope of engineering. Additionally, most people (in general) don't have engineering "role models" that they can look up to to guide them into the field. Women are especially lacking in this regard.
It may be semi true that women aren't entering the field because they don't want to. That is not the answer. They are certainly capable of entering the field, so why don't they? That's the question at hand.
Everything you write fucking stinks of political correctness. Men and womens brains differ greatly, with men performing better at spatial and reasoning tasks, while women perform better in verbal areas. Hence why they talk at an earlier age than boys, and dont stop for the rest of their lives.
Just looking at spatial ability, this is an obvious asset in engineering, and its something women are rather poor at.
Your pc notion that there are no genetic reasons why men would cope better with engineering concepts is disgustingly inaccurate.
Keep smoking that pc crack
SpssEverything you write fucking stinks of political correctness. Men and womens brains differ greatly, with men performing better at spatial and reasoning tasks, while women perform better in verbal areas. Hence why they talk at an earlier age than boys, and dont stop for the rest of their lives.Just looking at spatial ability, this is an obvious asset in engineering, and its something women are rather poor at.
Your pc notion that there are no genetic reasons why men would cope better with engineering concepts is disgustingly inaccurate.
Keep smoking that pc crack
Can you just throw your IQ and SAT scores in here and get it over with.
im in engineering and there are a bunch of girls. they usually take enviromental and biomed disciplines as opposed to mech, which im in. but the stereotype of all engineers being dudes is faaaar from true at my school.
overall, i would say its like 25-75 girls to guys here, in engineering as a whole
also i have a hunch that OP has no idea what engineering is, or what its like to be in it. the whole thing about guys brains being more "spacially oriented" than womens (or whatever you said) may be true based on scientific evidence, but i still feel like the reason engineering is mostly guys is more of a social thing than that. throughout history, engineering has been insanely more guys than girls. even if girls are good at science, its way more common for them to do core science instead of engineering. it may not make sense to you but as an engineer I can safely say that its more of a social thing than a physical difference in our brains.
you dont have to agree with me, just consider it for a second. i bet most highschool girls dont even consider engineering as a post-secondary program.
yuckeven if girls are good at science, its way more common for them to do core science instead of engineering. it may not make sense to you but as an engineer I can safely say that its more of a social thing than a physical difference in our brains.
Engineering might be science based, but it's a whole different way of thinking.
AT-ATEngineering might be science based, but it's a whole different way of thinking.
There's no one way of thinking to go about any problem. Sure, problems engineering may require a certain set of skills, skills can be mastered by anyone. The way someone attacks that problem is always up to them. The fact that women think differently is favorable in engineering because it can bring up new ideas that men won't have.
The lack of women in engineering is not because they can't handle it or aren't smart enough.
a_pla5tic_bagi had 2 grad level biochems and a grad level bio, pretty much all of the class was girls. to be fair, they were all chinese or indian. also i work in a cancer research lab and pretty much everyone in the lab is an indian girl.
yeah out of those 12 girls probably 8 were caucasian and 4 asians