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onenerdykid
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As the 2012/2013 gear has all shipped, it means you've probably had the chance to touch, feel, and sniff the new hotness in your local shop. If you have any questions about said hotness, feel free to leave them here and I will do my best to answer them.

And check out our new brand video, it's hot off the marketing press.

Oct 22 2012 7:05AM
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bnewbs6
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That got me stoked.
Oct 22 2012 9:38AM
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hotdog.garbage
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Heard some of that hotness (a truckload) was stolen on its way into Canada. Any word on this? A container of tracker bindings and that it might have been HAs?
Oct 22 2012 10:55AM
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onenerdykid
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Glad you dig the video! It's my favorite that we've made over the years for sure
Oct 22 2012 11:39AM
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onenerdykid
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I have no idea... I'm over in Austria and haven't heard of anything like this. If it's true, I guess that it at least validates that we've made a sweet binding if A/T nerds are hijacking trucks now.
Oct 22 2012 11:43AM
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scottydonald
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Are the automatics as good as they are described???

how would they be effected by tracker bindings on them???
Oct 22 2012 12:27PM
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LC.
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193 Automatic mounting recommendations? I ski jibby sometimes, chargy others, but no switch powder and only the occasional spin. The recommended line is -10.5cm from true centre, so I'm thinking +3 which seems to be the centre of the camber.
Oct 22 2012 4:03PM
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onenerdykid
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Definitely affected to the maximum. Probably times 2.
Oct 23 2012 2:12AM
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onenerdykid
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I mounted my 193 Automatics -1cm from labeled "center", which is also 84cm from the tail. I've found that the labeled markings are little back from ideal, so what your describing sounds pretty good.
Oct 23 2012 2:15AM
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scottydonald
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i actually meant - how does putting trackers on them - effect the way they ski???
Oct 24 2012 2:43AM
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I.B
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Video was so sick. Sick to see the racing and stuff.

Fuck the new punx are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You guys did well. As I can't buy skis for this season, i'm looking for next season. I hear a jossi wells pro model? Any specs on that?
Oct 24 2012 10:30AM
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I.B
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Video was so sick. Sick to see the racing and stuff.

Fuck the new punx are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You guys did well. As I can't buy skis for this season, i'm looking for next season. I hear a jossi wells pro model? Any specs on that?
Oct 24 2012 10:30AM
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onenerdykid
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Tracker bindings ski super great, much like an alpine race binding. So in terms of downhill performance, they are a great match. Tracker bindings are a bit higher off the ski than a traditional 2-piece binding, but they are much lower (a full centimeter) than our competition. So, in the Alpine Touring frame-style binding market, the Tracker would be one of the best options if not the best option.
Oct 24 2012 11:50AM
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onenerdykid
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Thanks man, glad you are psyched on the video and the new graphic for the Punx. Concerning the 13/14 skis, you'll have to wait a bit for information on them. I will drop an SIA thread for sure.
Oct 24 2012 11:51AM
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VD.
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Video was sick indeed
Oct 24 2012 12:46PM
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Gmart
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Are the punx rockered or are they full camber?
Oct 24 2012 1:07PM
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I.B
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full camber.

Please do NOT put rocker on the punx, ever. Ever ever.
Oct 24 2012 1:26PM
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Gibbon
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Can you tell me what ski jossi was riding at One Hit Wonder? New Punx 13/14?



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Oct 24 2012 6:03PM
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ForeverYung
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how alpine capable is the tracker? A lot of the time I might just be charging groomers, and not really doing any side/back country some days. Also how stable would it be hitty cliffs? still not 100% set on a touring binding. convince me, or should I stick to a pair of FKSs. Will be using caylors if that matters
Oct 24 2012 9:29PM
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onenerdykid
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I can't tell you much about it yet, except that it's not the Punx- pictured will be an additional ski to our park line up. Once we get closer to SIA, we can talk 13/14. Be patient, and I will reward you with info galore.
Oct 25 2012 7:48AM
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onenerdykid
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Compared to your FKS bindings, you will notice the Tracker being able to drive and leverage the ski more easily from edge to edge. This is due to its wider mounting position and wider platform in general (toe and heel pieces). In terms of downhill performance and power transfer, it will feel like an alpine race binding- which, besides being able to tour, was one of our main requirements. It will sit a little higher off the ski than your FKS but it still sits lower than any other frame-style A/T binding (Duke, Tour, Fritschi, etc). It's literally being used by our entire team without any complaints or issues, which is a great testament to the pounding it can take.

The toe piece can adjust to fit both rockered touring soles and alpine DIN soles WITHOUT changing the ramp angle of the boot. The underfoot frame, the heel tower, and connection between heel piece and plate on the ski are all metal, which makes for a super durable and powerful binding. The ski/tour mechanism cannot come undone while skiing, and in fact as you flex/bend the ski, the engagement system becomes more secure (not looser). And for those of you whose touring adventures involve a bit of rolling terrain (not just a steep skin up), or if you are in a sketchy area where stepping out of your binding is not an option, you don't need to step out of the binding to go from tour to ski mode.
Oct 25 2012 7:59AM
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MacMahoooon
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What is the closest thing in this years lineup to the original Coax

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These have been my goto hardpack skis since they can rail like a GS ski, but are starting to show wear and tear and need to be replaced. The Ritual sounds close but all this lightweight tittanium makes me question if its still able to charge
Oct 25 2012 10:14AM
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onenerdykid
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The Ritual will be the closest in terms of dimension and how they feel on hard snow. Titanium's main role isn't to reduce weight (actually it adds weight) but instead to provide a layer of dampening and stability. So because of the titanium backbone, the Ritual will actually feel smoother and more stable on hardsnow than the Coax. Will you be at SIA on-snow demo this year Chris? If you have the chance to get on a pair you'll be pretty impressed.
Oct 25 2012 10:30AM
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Session
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Really?
Oct 25 2012 10:57AM
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MacMahoooon
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Some companies have looked at using titanium only in certain areas to provide stiffness which could then allow them to remove material from other areas. Having titanium underfoot does not necessarily translate to better edge hold tip to tail and just tossing titanium stringers in a softer wood core could actually end up with a totally different feel. Was a big fan of the stiffness, torsional rigidity and pop that the original Coax had end to end thanks to a great combination of woods, and wondering how these compared.

I guess my question didn't read quite as intended.
Oct 25 2012 11:22AM
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onenerdykid
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For sure good points. The titanium layer in the Ritual (103mm) and Alibi (98mm) looks like this:

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It has a spine type shape that provides a smooth tip to tail flex, dampens vibration, and also beefs up the torsional rigidity.
Oct 25 2012 11:37AM
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onenerdykid
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image fail...

here is the pic of the titanium backbone in the Ritual and Alibi:

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Oct 25 2012 12:18PM
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JahFeels
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Just picked up some new atomic panics with some ffg 12's. can't wait to use them
Oct 25 2012 12:51PM
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ForeverYung
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Thanks for the response onenerdykid. You really are a gear guru
Oct 25 2012 10:00PM
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onenerdykid
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Sick man, that's a banger setup for the money!
Oct 26 2012 7:11AM
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onenerdykid
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I'm getting some PMs about the Tracker binding and what boot soles it is compatible with... The Tracker / Guardian binding is technically an alpine binding with a walk function (same as Marker Duke/Baron/Tour). It is certified to work with the Alpine ISO 5355 norm only, not the Touring Norm ISO 9523. This means that it is not certified to work with rockered, non-AFD equipped touring soles that have tech inserts.

Now, because the toe height of the binding can be adjusted it can fit rockered boot soles that are in accordance with ISO 9523. But simply because the boot fits in the binding, it is still not certifiable and you put yourself at risk.

What is certified: 1) solid soled "race boots" like FT Original or Atomic Redster, 2) 2-component replaceable DIN soles like FT Soul or Atomic Burner

What is not certified: fully rubber soles that lack an AFD section and have tech inserts like Dynafit Vulcan or Scarpa Mastrale.

Sadly, the 2 different norms (Alpine ISO 5355 and Touring ISO 9523) are not compatible with one another. So if a boot works for one, it does not work for the other. The 2 norms are simply too different, which is why most boots that are made in the future should have interchangeable soles that are norm specific. Hint, hint...
Oct 29 2012 12:46PM
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Jaggy_Snake
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If Atomic can pull that off successfully (I don't doubt it for a second) then they should have a market leading edge for people that have 2 different setups and boots to correspond to each setup now. But when Atomic release a boot with those interchangeable soles, those people can stick with just the 1 boot!

(Hope that makes sense...)
Oct 29 2012 1:00PM
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blindside
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First time venturing out of the fks/pivot/jester and picking up some FFG16 Teams this year.. I'm putting them on 09/10 bents for park shredding purposes. Excited to see how they perform..
Oct 29 2012 1:02PM
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onenerdykid
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Keep your eyes peeled around SIA time...
Oct 29 2012 1:14PM
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onenerdykid
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nerdy video on the Automatic. Also shows a bit of the handmade process too...

Oct 29 2012 6:06PM
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ikindalikeskiing
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how does the automatic compare to say the bent chetty or jj on pow/groomers? right now im reallllllly jelly of it and i just want you to make it sound even better so i know what ski i should get next year
Oct 30 2012 3:37PM
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onenerdykid
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Haha word. The Automatic has titanium strip (technically speaking they are called sprocket power boosters) in the rockered areas of the tip and tail :

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These titanium strips help reduce chatter in the rockered areas in turn creating a smoother, more stable ride whether it be on hardpack, powder, or choppy mank.

The Automatic also has less tail rocker and more of a v-shape than the Bent Chetler which helps provide more support on landings and allow the ski smear just as well as it carves.
Oct 30 2012 4:21PM
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ikindalikeskiing
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so does the automatic perform more like an all mountain ski on groomers? and how about ice cause i know ive had a few scary experiences on the chettys at night
Oct 30 2012 4:41PM
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onenerdykid
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They will be more stable than Bents but not as stable as the Ritual. Think of the Ritual as a ripping all mountain ski that floats well in powder (103mm waist with tip to tail titanium) and think of the Automatic as a powder ski that skis well on groomers (117mm waist with titanium strips in select areas). Icy groomers weren't the main target for its design but when compared to other similar skis, the Automatic will ski super well on groomers.
Oct 30 2012 4:52PM
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Aahlnas
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Bringing my brand new Bent chetlers 192 to Kicking horse this season. Super stoked! Bought with ffg 16 before I knew i would go there so had to sell them. Ordered Guardians instead, got them cheaper than tracker. Same binding wrong brand ;)

Just worried that I'm too heavy for the bents? I'm like 95 kg. Do you think they will work, feel a bit soft but still stiffer than the JJ's I had, and taller.

/Swede
Oct 30 2012 5:42PM
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Avifarer
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It is true, i think it was 500 000 dollars worth of shit at cost. The atomic rep told me to buy the guardian because the atomic binding is probably going to sell out
Oct 30 2012 9:58PM
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MNS
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bought these for $300 total brand new. hope theyre good

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Oct 30 2012 10:22PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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We talkin bout Tech and Regular Inserts...?! Or what...
Oct 30 2012 10:27PM
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POW-WOW
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Is there any way you could get me a really good price on the Trackers?
Oct 31 2012 12:40AM
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.skiwi.
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A little birdie told me that jossi was able to design his own skis, dont know if its fully true though
Oct 31 2012 5:59AM
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Cebra
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I'm super stoked on the skis! Make something memorial for Björn Sieber?
Oct 31 2012 6:20AM
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onenerdykid
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Bummer about the binding, but that's sick man ;)

I would not worry about your weight on that ski. For starters, Chris is about 85 kilos, he's not exactly small. Secondly, the 192 is designed to be stiffer and burlier than the 183. So, even though you are a big guy it will be good for you.
Oct 31 2012 6:57AM
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onenerdykid
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It's a super sad shame that he died... but we already have way too many race skis in our range, especially since we just launched Marcel's pro model WC SL ski. Total bummer though.
Oct 31 2012 7:07AM
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Cebra
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Hmm, producing stickers would be super cool though
Oct 31 2012 7:10AM
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onenerdykid
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As I mentioned a bit earlier, you will see some new boots and skis on our athletes when you look closely. While I want to divulge everything, you will need to be patient. The information will drop here at the appropriate time.
Oct 31 2012 7:59AM
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I.B
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I'm calling a jossi/gus pro model. Kinda like the automatic is like a dual pro model type thingy.


Oct 31 2012 5:43PM
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