Bush really didnt know what he was doing.

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did you read the topic of the thread dude? it wasnt weather or not hes a grand success domestically. it had to do with the fact that democracy is indeed taking root rapidly in the middle east. the very thing that has always been cited as the key foreign policy objective of his administration. and the fact that, like i said in my original post, traditionally hostile media outlets cant even deny whats going on in the middle east now.

are you so increadibly biased and set in your ways that you cant acknowledge a great success when it stares you in the face? youre simply amazing.

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Way to go, you misinformed ignorant fools. Just go ahead and hop on the Bush-hating bandwagon. It's easy for you to form an oppinion based on SENSATIONAL PROPAGANDA that you see on TV, or read from some liberal columnist,

I bet most of you Bush-haters/America-haters have never actually talked to a Marine, or Army personel who spent time over in the Middle East. You really have no idea. It's incredible to hear what they have to say... basically the polar opposite of what you see/hear in the media.

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'gotta love these people, everything that bush does good they have an excuse for. typical american, see s one side of the story and wont accept anything else.'

uh, weenox, just so you know, thats the Economist, a British publication, and, one of the least bias news sources in the world.

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i think he was refering to the previous posts. not the magazine cover.

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So your theory, then, is that because countries have democratized since the invasion of Iraq, that the invasion must therefore have been the cause? Just trying to get this straight here. Also, note that democratic reforms or no, the new regime in Beirut will largely be controlled by Damascus.

Oh, and keep in mind that the thread title is a bit ridiculous, because he didn't know what he was doing even if the entire Earth suddenly turns into one big pro-American democracy... remember that fostering democracy was not the reason for this war.

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Lets also not forget that Countries suddenly leaning towards democracy in fear if American pressure doesnt necisarrily make it the right think. Not all plaves in the world are ripe for a democracy.
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^Although new civil society groups in many places in the middle east suggest that they're moving in that direction (see Iran)

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the entire reason for the upheaval in lebanon had to do with syrian meddling. the current government that is, largley a puppet of damascus, has resigned. along witht that, syria has said that they will withdraw the remainder of their military that has been in lebanon for the last 15 years or so. so to say that it will still be a syrian puppet state might be inaccurate.

as for the original post, it was simply meant to say that bush is having success in the biggest part of his admins foreign policy. did he know that it would happen? probalby not, but that was the aim, and its happening.

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There is some good happening from all this affair. But Bush did not know what he was doing.
You could compare it to some idiot who bounces his bowling ball on the couch to see how high it bounces. The ball bounces into the TV, smashing to the screen, only to find that there was a million dollars hidden in the TV.
Bush's actions has caused some good fortune. But he definately didn't intend for this. He's just along for the ride.
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Band-waggoning is hilarious. Did anyone notice that threads posted a few months ago or longer had everyone except a select few Bush hating? Now that Bush is getting some positive results, people are migrating more and more to the Pro-Bush side. Well I'll be 'unique'... I'm indifferent, surely in a few months everyone will think it's cool to be indifferent.

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bush is an idiot. i cant believe that whoever started this thread was even serious. no child left behind mandates taht if your school fails thier tests 3 years in a row, yopu start losing funding. that will only make the problem worse! by 2014, we are supposed to have 95% proficiency. that means 95% of the people in my scholl have to pass reading, math, and comprehension tests. there will always be people who just dont get it, and that is fine. the idiots in our government cant seem to remember when they were in school. grrrrrrrrrrrrr. i am so pissed off by this

Don't you think this will help schools, by making the teachers more teachers, by teaching and not sitting on there ass and doing nothing?

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That's probably the stupidest idea I've ever heard. There is certain percentage of people who are too lazy and stupid to pass and should therefore FAIL. So if you force schools to have less than a 5% failure rate then they will just pass people who should be failing in order to maintain funding.

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they could start punsishing kids that are lazy and don't try they really need to improve schools.
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Mar 4 2005 3:13PM

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do people really think bush got lucky with the progress we have made so far?

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'Don't you think this will help schools, by making the teachers more teachers, by teaching and not sitting on there ass and doing nothing?'

no. What it will do is force the teachers to pass students who are lazy or just need to take the class again because they need the funding. It's the worst idea ever.
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Well I can tell you that at my school if you don't get a 2.0 or better u get saturday school if you don't show up to that they will have the resource officer come over to your house and you get porbabtion which i think is a great idea.
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^But that has nothing to do with what people are talking about.

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Mar 4 2005 8:18PM

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no child left behind is rediculous.
1.our AP bio teacher, who may be the best in the state (50% of students get 5's on the state exams) and is about to retire (hes upwards of 60) was notified that he wasn't a qualified teacher because he didnt take some course on geology in college. the guy teaches biology for christs sake,not rock science.
2. easily 5% of the kids at my school are either retarded, amotivational, or just plain stupid. this is a problem.
3. bush's wars have been 'on terror.' terrorism has nothing to do with democracy.

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i'm glad this whole iraq situation is turning out waaay better than i had expected, but like j.d. said, when the war started, it wasn't to instill democracy. when the war started, it was based on the idea of terrorism and protecting the u.s. citizens. then about half way through, it metamorphasized into some humanitarian effort to help the people of iraq that no one gave two shits about at the start of the war.

great, the ends may seem to you guys to have justified the means. but because of the shady-ass way that bush went about it at the start of it, i'm not gonna give him any credit.
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in response to the first post only...

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haha whoever said talking to a soldier who has served over there will make u pro bush or the war is fucking moron, just wow, yah i have plenty of friends relatives and people ive met who have had to go over and i dont remember them mentioning how happy everyone in irag is or how it was a great experience, just the complete opposite, wow
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People also forget that The Economist is one of the most conservative magazines out there, any spin they put on it will definitely be pro-Bush. And all this crap in Lebanon is really not that big of a change, they're still getting a puppet government in replace of the old one.

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wait wait wait......

so you're saying that the reason we went into iraq was to fight terrorism. i cant argue with that, its fact. but how do you expect to fight terrorism in iraq without getting rid of Saddam Hussein and his regime, the ones that were supporting the terrorism? would this not be installing democracy? what did you expect bush to do, kick the terrorists out and just leave Saddam to fund new ones? hahahahahahaha

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You're one of those people who still believes Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda, aren't you.

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I talk to my dad as much as possible and he is in Iraq right now, in a good part of Iraq. They still get attacked everyday with all kinds of shit, he is a very humble person to talk to now it has really opened his eyes no he isn't happy for being over there he depressed, he has been giving them money to go buy clothes because he can't see the people like that.
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my dad is more of a kerry follower.

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Mar 5 2005 2:29AM

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the economist is one of the most conservative news sources there is? that must be why they endorsed john kerry last november huh?

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Mar 5 2005 5:56AM

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That's just how bad Bush is.

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is anyone actually happy they want democracy? owait u cant be because then your but buddies would think u like President Bush.
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speaking of bush not knowing what he's doing... i gota love his quote when asked if he has tryed marijuana 'I cose not to answer that question becasue i dont want some one trying what i did' such a dumb ass
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war is never acceptably a way of creating democracy. Wrong. Sorry. No.

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Right, because successful democracies like the United States and France did it without any war or blood or .... oops, never mind. The war in Iraq is wrong, but not because of that stupid argument.

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